Kathleen Savio's Death #1

[Trino]

Does anyone know who is the police officer that influenced the jury? Is he still on the force?

 

[itsreenw]

She had water in her sinuses and lungs, that shows she was alive and trying to breathe but instead of air, she was breathing water.

Haven't caught up on all the threads so forgive me if this has been posted...I'm wondering if the bath was never filled in the first place.

I think he may have hit her in the back of her head with his nightstick or police issued flashlight, causing the gash, then held her head under the faucet and turned the water on. She would naturally have opened her mouth to breathe if water was going up her nose, causing her to drown.

There is no mention of wrinkling of her toes, which would have been present if her feet were under water as long as her left hand. It's possible he was holding her under the faucet by placing pressure on the left side of her body, causing the bruises. The round marks on her shins may have been caused by his thumbs if he wrapped his hands around her ankles to pull her body to position her in the tub. Just a theory. I'm going to have to read the autopsy report about 10 more times before I understand any of it!!

 

[itsreenw]

SUZI!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU


Now I can put in Monica before Victoria.......

I never thought I would say this............but Cowardly Lion is just too tame for this person.................

His new nic from now on from ME ONLY is going to be: Freddy:
(nightmare and drop dead)

Hoping most will understand.

No Littledeer, Monica wasn't before Victoria, she was during Victoria. And I bet she was young because Ric Mims said her brother was upset that DP was seeing his sister and sneaking her into he and Victoria's home. I believe Ric said he and the brother went to school together and they were in their 20s when the brother was found hanging in his garage. So sounds like DP likes 'em young. If she was older than her brother, I don't see him being as upset as Ric implied.

And that Drew is such a great cop. He always happens to get to a death scene first.

 

[mysteriew]

Haven't caught up on all the threads so forgive me if this has been posted...I'm wondering if the bath was never filled in the first place.

I think he may have hit her in the back of her head with his nightstick or police issued flashlight, causing the gash, then held her head under the faucet and turned the water on. She would naturally have opened her mouth to breathe if water was going up her nose, causing her to drown.

There is no mention of wrinkling of her toes, which would have been present if her feet were under water as long as her left hand. It's possible he was holding her under the faucet by placing pressure on the left side of her body, causing the bruises. The round marks on her shins may have been caused by his thumbs if he wrapped his hands around her ankles to pull her body to position her in the tub. Just a theory. I'm going to have to read the autopsy report about 10 more times before I understand any of it!!

I'm just not sure Itsreenw. It seems that everyone who saw the death scene or the pictures have a different impression of her positioning. And most don't match the autopsy.

However, the theory of holding her head under a running faucet is a possibility that I hadn't considered, but is entirely possible. But how did her left hand get wrinkled? And why didn't her right hand get wrinkled?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Could her hand laying in a pool of blood cause it to wrinkle?

 

[mysteriew]

According to most reports there wasn't that much blood in the tub. That was one of the inconsistancies, there should have been more blood from the lac.
And what blood was there wasn't diluted.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Could her hand laying in a pool of blood cause it to wrinkle?

My guess would be that she had her hand under her where it was moist.

 

[itsreenw]

I'm just not sure Itsreenw. It seems that everyone who saw the death scene or the pictures have a different impression of her positioning. And most don't match the autopsy.

However, the theory of holding her head under a running faucet is a possibility that I hadn't considered, but is entirely possible. But how did her left hand get wrinkled? And why didn't her right hand get wrinkled?[/quote]Ya know...I dunno!! LOL. We can assume her left hand was in the water longer than her right hand. Her right hand could have been hanging out of the tub?? If she was right handed, that would have been the hand that she tried to defend herself with so it's possible her right hand was extended. I don't think she drowned in a lot of water because of all the blood still in her hair. It would have slowly separated from her hair and drained out with the water.

I was also thinking that she put up a struggle and drowning her wasn't as easy as he thought. So after attempting to drown her, out of rage and frustration, he hit her in the back of her head to incapacitate her so he could finish his staged drowning. It was supposed to look like an accident. I don't think he meant to hit her. He had to.

Other than him leaning her over the tub or laying her in the tub with her head under the faucet, I can't think of any other scenario where her toes wouldn't be wrinkled too. She had an abrasion on her left buttock that sounds to me like a rug burn??

 

[SuziQ]

OK Tonight on Greta they said exactly what I was trying to get at! The Juror said in the photo you could see her "laying face down in the bottom of the tub". This means she was face down with the rest of her body upward which created the lividity on the front and upper portions of her body. The neighbor stated he saw her rather bending over with her hair covering her face and turned to the side. He never mentioned she was face down in the bottom of the tub! This is the discrepancy I was talking about.

And now we are back to Kathleen being face down. Which one is it?

 

[Leila]

Very Interesting! On Gretawire, Greta posted that update that Drew's brother, Paul Peterson, received a subpoena to testify before the grand jury tomorrow. That update has now been updated to include Steve Carcerano (the person who found Kathleen), who's also been called to testify before the grand jury tomorrow.

I tried to find an address for Paul Peterson, and there isn't one in Bolingbrook. There's a LOT of Petersons.

 

[STEADFAST]

I'm thinking that Drew had been planning to stage a more plausible scene in the bathtub, but didn't get the chance. JerzWhim posted some of Drew's interview on the Today show, and one of the things he said was "So I was planning the next day to go into her home with her neighbor. Her neighbor/friend was concerned so we went in that night."

Now it looks like we don't know yet exactly what position she was in when found, but I wonder if he had been planning to fill the tub with water later and just didn't get a chance.

 

[busybee]

I love how he says he waited outside and went in when they screamed. He knew he would not register the proper reaction to a scene he created so he waited for the screams. This guy is chilling.

 

[browneyedgirl]

Did anyone catch the interview on Greta last night with a member of the first jury? He said that in the crime scene photos, the blood was pooled at the bottom of the bathtub and he felt that if there had been water in that tub it would have washed the blood out when it drained.
He said that he brought up this thought during deliberations but none of the other jurors found it odd.

I would have to agree with him regarding the blood emptying out when the water "supposedly" drained out. Maybe not all of the blood, but surely it couldn't pool up on the bottom of the tub and be totally undisturbed with water draining out around it.

 

[browneyedgirl]

I'm thinking that Drew had been planning to stage a more plausible scene in the bathtub, but didn't get the chance. JerzWhim posted some of Drew's interview on the Today show, and one of the things he said was "So I was planning the next day to go into her home with her neighbor. Her neighbor/friend was concerned so we went in that night."

Now it looks like we don't know yet exactly what position she was in when found, but I wonder if he had been planning to fill the tub with water later and just didn't get a chance.

Very good theory, SF.

 

[MrsBuckWeaver]

Kathleen's sister Sue Doman was on Fox & Friends today. They had her commenting on DP's interview on the Today show. Really heartbreaking. She said they just didn't know what they could do to fight after it had been ruled an accident.
Brian Kilmeade (I'm a big fan!) made a point of offering her help at the end of the interview, he said "make sure you get the answers you need this time - come to us for help, we have lawyers, we have a judge."

 

[SuziQ]

Did anyone catch the interview on Greta last night with a member of the first jury? He said that in the crime scene photos, the blood was pooled at the bottom of the bathtub and he felt that if there had been water in that tub it would have washed the blood out when it drained.
He said that he brought up this thought during deliberations but none of the other jurors found it odd.

I would have to agree with him regarding the blood emptying out when the water "supposedly" drained out. Maybe not all of the blood, but surely it couldn't pool up on the bottom of the tub and be totally undisturbed with water draining out around it.

I would think there would be film on the tub. Like bath scum.

 

[SuziQ]

Check out this website: They have a TON of information on the case INCLUDING documents (most recent is the Petition for Exhumation of Kathleen Savio's body): http://www.acandyrose.com/stacy_peterson_timeline.htm

I will be cross posting the link.

Candyrose is my goto site for Jon Benet Ramsey stuff.

 

[SuziQ]

Greta update:

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/1...peterson-was-up-early-this-wednesday-morning/

(snip)
by Greta Van Susteren
Good Morning!
If you got up early today, you might have seen Sgt. Drew Peterson on the Today Show. He was in NYC to make the appearance on the early television show. I missed it — but will see it when I get in to work today. While I know he is not a fan of ON THE RECORD — it was our producer Steph Watts who delivered wife #3’s autopsy report and other documents to the police which started the boll rolling on investigating wife #3’s death (they did not have the documents)
(more at link)

 

[SuziQ]

At the below link is Greta's interview with a juror that served on the coroners inquest. Go to the link, scroll down, in the blue box on the right, titled Fox News Video, click on Inside the Jury.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

 

[SuziQ]

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=98456f87-5fda-422e-a4c2-285b8e94a648

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=ca576dfa-87a0-45e2-8542-46baa69f8c75