KATU -- Source: Investigators far from solving Kyron case

[BeanE]

Sigh.

I've been expecting something from LE any time now. And I wonder if this also wasn't a planned leak.

Why have I been expecting something?

Because school is about to start. And LE has invested everything, from the get-go, in the idea that TH did it (whatever "it" is).

They immediately assured the community that they had nothing to worry about. They've obviously focused on TH and her friends, even sending out flyer upon flyer with pictures.

etc.

Well, an entire summer later and what do they have? Not enough to reasonably make an arrest, as of right now.

I've actually been concerned that LE would rush to arrest TH on slim pickin's just because school is about to start and they need to have something ouit there for the community. I hope they don't do that--I'll take leaks, another Source cousin, etc. any time over the chances of a)arresting an innocent person or b)arresting the right person but having such a flimsy case that the case is lost in the courtroom.

LE has a big mess on their hands with their obvious solitary focus. And quotes about other cases and how long it will take is the first step toward trying to repair their image in time for school. Right now, this former prosecutor is carrying the water for them. Someone else will be quoted soon in a similar story. Sigh.

School starts at Skyline on September 7. The responsible thing for LE to do would be to either name a POI, or issue another statement saying again that they can not rule out stranger to stranger, and saying again that there is at least a low level need for alarm by the public.

 

[cluciano63]

I think they will make a statement or have a PC before the school opens...how could they not? It would be terribly irresponsible not to do so. I still find it incredibly odd that parents are not speaking out; I can understand initially keeping quiet, when everyone seemed to think this would be resolved fairly quickly, but now, going on 3 months later? It seems almost impossible that no one is questioning LE.

 

[Barry]

This is the first appearance in the media of this member of the Source family. I wouldn't be too rough on him or her. Well-Placed just doesn't have quite as much experience as Reliable, Unnamed, Multiple, or Close-to-the-Investigation.

Inside Source has been quiet.

 

[loves2bmom]

My personal opinion is they don't know where Kyron is and that's the only reason (and most important of course) why it might take much longer than they anticipated. Otherwise the rest is circumstancial and while those cases can be proven, they are much harder to get a conviction.

Too lazy to look up the moo cow icon.....

 

[Chili Fries]

I think they will make a statement or have a PC before the school opens...how could they not? It would be terribly irresponsible not to do so. I still find it incredibly odd that parents are not speaking out; I can understand initially keeping quiet, when everyone seemed to think this would be resolved fairly quickly, but now, going on 3 months later? It seems almost impossible that no one is questioning LE.

I don't think it's odd that parents have not spoken out when media reports have universally pointed to Terri as the probable perp. I think parents would freak out if the school allowed Terri to volunteer at the school this fall or if they just found out she was visiting school grounds.

 

[Calliope]

Also on Friday, Kaine Horman said he believes his estranged wife is still the primary focus in the criminal investigation into the boy's disappearance.

“Unless law enforcement comes to me and says all they’ve been telling me is wrong my opinion will not change," Horman said. "I’m a data person and the data gives me no reason to believe otherwise."

http://www.kptv.com/news/24706595/detail.html

I'm with Kaine.
And unless it can be proven beyone a shadow of a doubt she isn't involved, I'll continue to view her as the person responsible for whatever happened to Kyron and for certain won't be going out of my way to defend her...I'm hoping her name is never cleared and she has to live under a cloud of suspicion the rest of her natural life..JMHO

No one is trying to prove she WASN'T involved.

I'm hoping her name is never cleared and she has to live under a cloud of suspicion the rest of her natural life..JMHO

That's pretty harsh.

For that to be true, it means never finding out what happened to Kyron --- whether she's innocent or guilty.

 

[TGIRecovered]

How many times have we seen "experts", "former fill-in-the-blank", and various other commenters on TV and in print, who espouse their opinion on a case, and it is based upon incorrect, outdated, or incomplete information? I have seen it many times, and it is frustrating!

It is not uncommon for these commentators to be less well-informed than we are. I would be shocked if even the most devoted internet sleuth had all of the evidence that LE has.

Right now, reporters know that any article about Kyron will get plenty of attention. I don't blame them for interviewing any interesting source even tangentialy connected to the investigation. That is what they have to do when the official investigators have told all they are going to tell.

This well-placed source could be feeding them a line of bull for the purpose of getting Terri to let down her guard and risk contacting a final accomplice, or it could be that this source' opinion is based upon incomplete information. Unless the source is the lead investigator, I'll take it for what it is...just another opinion.

MooMooMooMooMooooo!

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I wonder what "data" Kaine was referring to when he made that statement.

 

[Emma Peel]

“Unless law enforcement comes to me and says all they’ve been telling me is wrong my opinion will not change," Horman said. "I’m a data person and the data gives me no reason to believe otherwise."

http://www.kptv.com/news/24706595/detail.html

Thanks for that BeanE. (She really is amazing, our BeanE, isn't she?)

Kaine confirms his biggest strength and his biggest weakness. He's a data guy.

*sigh*

Like many guys, using their intuition is just not in their nature ... with your intuition button *off* you can miss a lot of *warning* and *caution* and *dangerous curves* signs to avoid trouble in your relationships. :cow:

You look at these guys and think to yourselves - "I don't get it - does he not see how messed up she is?" And no, they don't see what we see. Until there's actual data (i.e. hard evidence). Then they are surprised. And sometimes, devastated.

:grouphug: for all the data guys.

 

[Wings Of Light]

I've been on the fence about this before, but lately it's again looking more and more like perhaps investigators are botching this investigation. I know they've said they haven't released information because it could make the investigation harder, but at this point that is beginning to look like hogwash.

So far I don't think there has been one real piece of evidence posted in the actual evidence thread - i.e. there is no evidence as far as the public knows. It looks like they are just grasping at straws. I think the grand jury is what they turned to once they hit a dead end. I don't think they even had an arrest in mind when they called it. It is notoriously easy to get the go ahead from a grand jury on even the flimsiest of cases. ("You can indict a ham sandwich")

And can you imagine if this was not in a state with grand juries that they could essentially use to carry out their investigation? Then you take into account the asking for witnesses months after on mundane details like "did you see a white truck in front of this fred meyers." Who is going to remember that 2 months after the fact unless they knew within a day or two that it was important to remember. Honestly, I don't think I could recall any cars in any parking lot after just a few minutes of leaving it... let alone days or months.

Immediately after they knew what Terri Horman's claimed timeline was, they should have released it. That way the public would have an opportunity to immediately think "I was at that fred meyers, did I see anything?" or at least make mental notes to remember.

 

[Mandy113]

Kyron was the first missing person case I followed on WS from day 1. I remember reading that first post while I was at work and constantly checking the computer all weekend. My gut feeling was the child would be found deceased (I hate writing that word). I did expect him to be found within a few days though. Obviously, it all goes to show how little I know about these kinds of cases.

Over these last several weeks, I've had to step away from Kyron's case. I scan the site for updates daily. I still keep him in my prayers, I feel for his devastated parents. Reading the news the case is far from being solved ... I'm so very sad. I can't look at that little, smiling, innocent face without feeling my heart break all over again.

Just had to throw my 2cents in, FWIW.

 

[MarieFaith]

http://www.kptv.com/news/24706595/detail.html

Thanks for that BeanE. (She really is amazing, our BeanE, isn't she?)

Kaine confirms his biggest strength and his biggest weakness. He's a data guy.

*sigh*

Like many guys, using their intuition is just not in their nature ... with your intuition button *off* you can miss a lot of *warning* and *caution* and *dangerous curves* signs to avoid trouble in your relationships. :cow:

You look at these guys and think to yourselves - "I don't get it - does he not see how messed up she is?" And no, they don't see what we see. Until there's actual data (i.e. hard evidence). Then they are surprised. And sometimes, devastated.

:grouphug: for all the data guys.

I am also married (25 years) to an engineer. And, yes, your description, Emma, is pretty accurate,
Except you're leaving out one important thing:

As for the "data" that engineers have as their biggest strength? That data is almost always right on! I quit questioning it a long time ago!

 

[passionflower]

Terri better hope that they find something or her life is over as she knows it. I imagine in a few years people will somewhat forget about her.

yep, how long can she stay inside her parents (enablers?)home?
Can't go out etc. (according to son J)
No children etc.........if guilty maybe this will make her crack............

when is hunting season in Oregon?
Many people are found by hunters and dogs in rough terrain.

Look at the Susan Powell case......same thing.........sad!

 

[Wrinkles]

Gotta pop in...

I am sick at heart...I have been and I will be until Kyron returns home and his parents get justice for him and themselves and all of us who are grieving alongside them.

I am remembering all of the many things we "know" and consider all of the things that we do not yet know (part of the investigation). I can only hope that justice comes far more quickly than any of us can imagine. I am reminded that LE said "early on" that this is a marathon, not a sprint (in some such wording.) I don't like that at all, but it is a way of life in many things, though in things like this it sickens me.

For my part, I can only continue to pray for the aching hearts of Kyron's parents, pray that they be strengthened, comforted... In the meanwhile, my hope is that the perp is so pressed down, so convicted and beaten up by their part in this (hearing continual voices in their head), that they get absolutely NO comfort, that they have absolutely NO PEACE, that they are burdened day and night UNTIL they confess and assist with finding Kyron.

As per data... I am a data person too (although right & left brained). Data people have their place here. Although the data people can err about certain things, so do the non data, more emotionally led people. Either way, an innocent person's erring does not give excuse to a wicked person's behavior. The latter is responsible for their own actions.

There is a truth, I think that the data points to it. The problem is gathering enough data so that a jury can reasonably render justice. My hope is that the remainder of the data can be gathered sooner rather than later.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

It saddens me to think that this case won't be solved any time soon. I hoped that there would be an arrest/charges prior to the start of school. As the days and weeks go by, I am less confident that Kyron is still alive. I can't imagine an accomplice being able to "stash" a 7-year-old for this length of time. jmo

 

[ThoughtFox]

I am also married (25 years) to an engineer. And, yes, your description, Emma, is pretty accurate,
Except you're leaving out one important thing:

As for the "data" that engineers have as their biggest strength? That data is almost always right on! I quit questioning it a long time ago!

Exactly, MarieFaith!

And all cases are solved by factual data and boring pieces of evidence, no matter how much we wish it was easy and obvious.

I would rather that LE take their time and get things right than rush to arrest someone without the evidence in place. They are getting their ducks in a row. I have faith in that.

 

[ami]

Exactly, MarieFaith!

And all cases are solved by factual data and boring pieces of evidence, no matter how much we wish it was easy and obvious.

I would rather that LE take their time and get things right than rush to arrest someone without the evidence in place. They are getting their ducks in a row. I have faith in that.

Yup. I'm a "data guy" too, and in my profession we accept that intuition can point you in a certain direction, but data is the only thing that moves an answer forward.

But you know what's interesting about this is that LE most likely didn't just share a hunch with Kaine (unless he considered a hunch "data" - unlikely), but must have shared some kind of real evidence. Wonder what it was.

 

[pdx]

This is the first appearance in the media of this member of the Source family. I wouldn't be too rough on him or her. Well-Placed just doesn't have quite as much experience as Reliable, Unnamed, Multiple, or Close-to-the-Investigation.

You will be pleased and interested with tomorrow's lead story then. The tease in today's print edition reads:

Coming Sunday
Stream of leaks: Some legal experts think that law-enforcement officials are steering the Kyron Horman investigation in an unconventional manner.

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This will probably be posted online later this afternoon; keep your eyes on oregonlive.com

 

[tehcloser]

I'm not sure how I feel about this latest article. I had been thinking since there has been no action from the GJ, that it was not a slam dunk, and they didn't indict. Now we have this. I just hope they are on the right track...but I am beginning to wonder.

 

[SacreBleu]

You will be pleased and interested with tomorrow's lead story then. The tease in today's print edition reads:

Coming Sunday
Stream of leaks: Some legal experts think that law-enforcement officials are steering the Kyron Horman investigation in an unconventional manner.

--
This will probably be posted online later this afternoon; keep your eyes on oregonlive.com

Building on this post:

Assume I am a guilty TH sitting in my parents home in Roseburg, unable to go out of the house, have my cell phone or laptop, my days filled with watching TV while walking or running on my treadmill (reference son J's comments in article a couple of days ago - the "contridiction" one, I believe). This KATU story has just added the pressure of the possibility that I could be stuck here forever.... Why won't LE just give up, dangit? I can definitely see this article as a pressure tactic.

I thought the "contradiction" article came from Mr. Houze's team. The KATU story could be LE's response.

JMHO, MOO, YMMV, et al