KC Borrow's CA's Car

[Katana]

What happened to the blue bin that was found in the trunk? Was it turned over to LE?

 

[SuziQ]

There is one small thing that gets in the way of the theory that GA found the body in the trunk at the towyard.
The guy that worked there was right next to GA as he opened the trunk. The guy is the one that removed the bag and said here is where the smell is coming from and threw it out.
The guy told the same story GA did to LE.

IMO, everything in that car smelled at that point. If Caylee was in the spare tire wheel well, then no one would have seen anything at that point. Now if leaving the car at Amscot was intentional, I can't see Casey leaving Caylee in it. I could argue with myself over this forever.

 

[SuziQ]

What happened to the blue bin that was found in the trunk? Was it turned over to LE?

IIRC, LE did retrieve it. Collapsable bins are really just a a crate and not very big.

 

[SuziQ]

Below is a link to a collapsible bin:

http://kidsstuff.stores.yahoo.net/colstorbin.html

 

[SuziQ]

Here is another plastic collapsible bin:

http://www.dormbuys.com/shop/product/801

 

[BeanE]

You guys are really on to something! I have a question, though. Are you assuming Caylee was still in the trunk?

It's resonating over and over in my head, after LE got Casey to admit all her lies at Universal, her saying "The one thing in all of this that's true, is that I don't know where Caylee is."

If she left Caylee in the trunk, and the car was towed, she wouldn't know where Caylee was.

After Cindy and George brought the car home, Cindy claims on the new FBI tapes to have gone looking for Casey for a couple of hours. She gives no other detail, and quickly moves on with what she's saying.

It is haunting me.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I just thought of something else. Maybe George didn't find Caylee in the trunk. Maybe he found other things that needed to be disposed of. I think George cleaned the car knowing how to get rid of DNA evidence. He then placed items from the trunk in Cindy's car and dumped them. He was careful and cleaned Cindy's car after but, was still worried so he used the chase story to place Casey in the car just in case. I just think he went to work that day because of guilt and the need to create an alibi. Whereas Cindy was still trying to figure everything out so she was emotional and in crisis mode.

*snipped*

ah...ok...I see what you sayin'...Regardless of whether George found the body OR other DNA-containing evidence in the Pontiac, George is telling the chase story to frame Casey and protect Cindy.

Cool. :cool2: I completely missed that.

 

[SuziQ]

It's resonating over and over in my head, after LE got Casey to admit all her lies at Universal, her saying "The one thing in all of this that's true, is that I don't know where Caylee is."

If she left Caylee in the trunk, and the car was towed, she wouldn't know where Caylee was.

After Cindy and George brought the car home, Cindy claims on the new FBI tapes to have gone looking for Casey for a couple of hours. She gives no other detail, and quickly moves on with what she's saying.

It is haunting me.

Add to this Cindy looking directly at Casey and firmly saying "There is no evidence". I can't remember the exact words.

 

[SuziQ]

*snipped*

ah...ok...I see what you sayin'...Regardless of whether George found the body OR other DNA-containing evidence in the Pontiac, George is telling the chase story to frame Casey and protect Cindy.

Cool. :cool2: I completely missed that.

This is interesting. Do we know for sure who's car GA drove to work on 6-16?

 

[BondJamesBond]

This is interesting. Do we know for sure who's car GA drove to work on 6-16?

...assuming you intended 7/16. I posted George's ePass records for you earlier. They support he drove his HHR 7/16 just before Noon.

 

[Katana]

This is interesting. Do we know for sure who's car GA drove to work on 6-16?

He could have dumped the items using Cindy's car and returned home before leaving again for work. The question I have is did George ever leave the house in Cindy's car on July 15th after he was done cleaning KC's car?

 

[SuziQ]

...assuming you intended 7/16. I posted George's ePass records for you earlier. They support he drove his HHR 7/16 just before Noon.

Dang it. There's that June vs July thing again.

 

[SuziQ]

He could have dumped the items using Cindy's car and returned home before leaving again for work. The question I have is did George ever leave the house in Cindy's car on July 15th after he was done cleaning KC's car?

Actually that is my question too. I confused June/July and 15th/16th

 

[Coley]

He could have dumped the items using Cindy's car and returned home before leaving again for work. The question I have is did George ever leave the house in Cindy's car on July 15th after he was done cleaning KC's car?

I'm not sure if I missed something but do we know for a fact that GA cleaned KC car?

 

[Coley]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed:

It shows CA had no activity on her E-Pass from the 15th of June to the 26th. Was this the week she had her vacation? Or does she not go through the tolls while going to work?

 

[BondJamesBond]

It's resonating over and over in my head, after LE got Casey to admit all her lies at Universal, her saying "The one thing in all of this that's true, is that I don't know where Caylee is."

If she left Caylee in the trunk, and the car was towed, she wouldn't know where Caylee was.

After Cindy and George brought the car home, Cindy claims on the new FBI tapes to have gone looking for Casey for a couple of hours. She gives no other detail, and quickly moves on with what she's saying.

OK, BeanE. Let's noodlin' on this a bit...

Someone familiar w/ Amy's statements can prolly narrow down the approx. times when Cindy called Amy, then picked her up @ the Mall, IIRC, 7/15PM.
~1:55PM Cindy and George retrieve the Pontiac from the towyard
~2:30PM Cindy comes in per EPass records of driving George's Chevy HHR, with George driving Casey's Pontiac.
~#:##PM Cindy and George get home w/ the Pontiac (Or at least est. based on when they picked up from towyard)
~<5:10PM George leaves for work (IF I'm reading EPass records correctly)

Casey's pings support...
~2:30PM Casey met Amy @ the airport
~3:20PM Casey & Amy leave the airport area after presumably picking up luggage

4:02PM Casey sends Amy a facebook message, "so glad you&#8217;re home.i better not see you online.life is on hold until tomorrow" suggesting Amy has now dropped her off @ Tony's.

#:##PM Amy returns to the airport and picks up the boys
#:##PM Amy and J.P. goto Mall
#:##PM Cindy calls Amy
B:BBPM Cindy picks up Amy
~6:30PM Cindy and Amy show up @ Tony's apt (my guess based on last outbound ping before 9:27PM Tony calling Amy w/ Casey's phone that was left @ his apartment)
#:##PM Cindy makes first 911 call

Note: I have a small error in the ping spreadsheet to fix, so bear w/ me if these are off just a bit...

Sooooo....need 'lil help establishing <5:10PM* and B:BB PM.

*IF I'm reading EPass records correctly
George's-only-focused on 7/15: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2981746&postcount=96
G&C's for both June & July: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2907723&postcount=16

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

 

[JWG]

He could have dumped the items using Cindy's car and returned home before leaving again for work. The question I have is did George ever leave the house in Cindy's car on July 15th after he was done cleaning KC's car?

IMTHO...after having read and listened to the GA interviews, I do not for one minute believe he cleaned that trunk. I doubt that CA did either, but less certain there.

I am convinced June 20 was cleaning day. Last day KC backed into the garage. Caylee was already gone. KC vacuumed and then tried cleaning with A&H (wonder if the vacuum was ever seized in the search of the Anthony's). Kept cleaning materials in her trunk rather than leaving them at her parents so that detective dad would not find them when he dealt with the garbage.

 

[Coley]

OK, BeanE. Let's noodlin' on this a bit...

Someone familiar w/ Amy's statements can prolly narrow down the approx. times when Cindy called Amy, then picked her up @ the Mall, IIRC, 7/15PM.

~2:30PM George comes in per EPass records of his Chevy HHR
~#:##PM Cindy and George get home w/ the Pontiac (Or at least est. based on when they picked up from towyard)
~<5:10PM George leaves for work (IF I'm reading EPass records correctly)

Casey's pings support...
~2:30PM Casey met Amy @ the airport
~3:20PM Casey & Amy leave the airport area after presumably picking up luggage

4:02PM Casey sends Amy a facebook message, "so glad you’re home.i better not see you online.life is on hold until tomorrow" suggesting Amy has now dropped her off @ Tony's.

#:##PM Amy returns to the airport and picks up the boys
#:##PM Amy and J.P. goto Mall
#:##PM Cindy calls Amy
B:BBPM Cindy picks up Amy
~6:30PM Cindy and Amy show up @ Tony's apt (my guess based on last outbound ping before 9:27PM Tony calling Amy w/ Casey's phone that was left @ his apartment)

Note: I have a small error in the ping spreadsheet to fix, so bear w/ me if these are off just a bit...

Sooooo....need 'lil help establishing <5:10PM* and B:BB PM.

*IF I'm reading EPass records correctly

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

Amy doesn't mention a time but she states that after she drops off KC at TL she goes back to the airport to get the boys and then drives back to JP house. Then JP decides to go to the Florida Mall to get the I Phone. About 20 min after they got to the mall is when CA calls.

 

[Katana]

I'm not sure if I missed something but do we know for a fact that GA cleaned KC car?

No, I am assuming he did for several reasons. There was only one hair found. The decomp fluids where on the underneath layer of the trunk liner and not the top. In the pictures, the car appears shiny and squeaky clean.

I don't know if any of this is true. I just remember reading about whether the car was cleaned or not. I always felt that GA did clean the car. However, if LE thought the car was cleaned then why didn't they ever ask the Anthony's about it?

 

[Coley]

No, I am assuming he did for several reasons. There was only one hair found. The decomp fluids where on the underneath layer of the trunk liner and not the top. In the pictures, the car appears shiny and squeaky clean.

I don't know if any of this is true. I just remember reading about whether the car was cleaned or not. I always felt that GA did clean the car. However, if LE thought the car was cleaned then why didn't they ever ask the Anthony's about it?

For some reason I had always thought CA cleaned it knowing how much of a clean freak she is. I guess we might not ever know considering the "mis-truths" they say. It would be interesting if the both of them cleaned it together.