KC Borrow's CA's Car

[Coley]

Starts on page 28 about the pick up from mall:

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0925/17555307.pdf

 

[JWG]

Sooooo....need 'lil help establishing <5:10PM* and B:BB PM.

*IF I'm reading EPass records correctly
George's-only-focused on 7/15: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2981746&postcount=96
G&C's for both June & July: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2907723&postcount=16

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

EPass records indicate CA drove the Toyota through Airport (M) toll at 6:17 PM on July 15.

 

[SuziQ]

No, I am assuming he did for several reasons. There was only one hair found. The decomp fluids where on the underneath layer of the trunk liner and not the top. In the pictures, the car appears shiny and squeaky clean.

I don't know if any of this is true. I just remember reading about whether the car was cleaned or not. I always felt that GA did clean the car. However, if LE thought the car was cleaned then why didn't they ever ask the Anthony's about it?

The car was too clean for having sat for weeks in a towyard. I don't know if GA actually cleaned the trunk. But he defintely removed evidence from what he knew to be a car involved with a death. He gave Cindy the pants to wash. Cindy also knew that car was involved with a death. She reiterated to the FBI in detail how she knows what a dead body smells like. They don't call LE but willingly mess with evidence of what would at least be a death investigation.

 

[Coley]

7/15 2:00

Casey goes to Cast Iron tattoo shop; makes appointment with Bobby Lee Williams for her and a friend to get a tattoo on the 19th. She arrives in maroon/red compact (Amy's car) - According to Danny Colamarino

7/15 2:30 pm

Casey picks Amy Huizenga up at the airport in Amy&#8217;s car. (According to written statement by Amy Huizenga)

7/15 5:00

Amy receives a phone call from Casey's Mom while at Florida Mall. Cindy found Amy's phone number on a piece of paper in Casey's abandoned car. Cindy asks if Amy knows where Casey is - tells her Casey is in a a lot of trouble and could go to jail. Amy does know where she is and agrees to show Cindy where the Lazaro's apt. is.. (according to Amy's statement)

7/15 5:30-7:00

Cindy picks up Amy Huizenga at shopping mall - Amy directs Cindy to Anthony Lazzarro&#8217;s apartment. Casey is there with Lazaro and Nate. Casey talks to her mother outside the apartment. Cindy demands Casey get in the car and take her to Caylee.

7/15 7:30

Cindy, Casey and Amy leave Lazaro's place. Take Amy home. Casey refuses to show Cindy where Caylee is. Cindy calls/leaves desperate message with George.

7/15 7:50 George calls Lee - tells him about Cindy's call - asks him to go check on them.

 

[BondJamesBond]

OK, BeanE. Let's noodlin' on this a bit...

Someone familiar w/ Amy's statements can prolly narrow down the approx. times when Cindy called Amy, then picked her up @ the Mall, IIRC, 7/15PM.

~2:30PM George comes in per EPass records of his Chevy HHR
~2:30PM Cindy appears to be rolling in per EPass records in her Toyota 4Runner.
~#:##PM Cindy & George leave the towyard
~#:##PM Cindy and George get home w/ the Pontiac (Or at least est. based on when they picked up from towyard)
~<5:10PM George leaves for work (IF I'm reading EPass records correctly)

Casey's pings support...
~2:30PM Casey met Amy @ the airport
~3:20PM Casey & Amy leave the airport area after presumably picking up luggage

4:02PM Casey sends Amy a facebook message, "so glad you&#8217;re home.i better not see you online.life is on hold until tomorrow" suggesting Amy has now dropped her off @ Tony's.

#:##PM Amy returns to the airport and picks up the boys
#:##PM Amy and J.P. goto Mall
#:##PM Cindy calls Amy
>6:17PM Cindy picks up Amy
>6:30PM Cindy and Amy show up @ Tony's apt (my guess based on last outbound ping before 9:27PM Tony calling Amy w/ Casey's phone that was left @ his apartment)
#:##PM Cindy makes first 911 call

Note: I have a small error in the ping spreadsheet to fix, so bear w/ me if these are off just a bit...

Sooooo....between <5:10PM* and would be >6:17 PM.

*IF I'm reading EPass records correctly
George's-only-focused on 7/15: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2981746&postcount=96
G&C's for both June & July: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2907723&postcount=16

Looking @ the above, Cindy may have had ~1 hour on her own w/ the Pontiac between ~5:10PM and 6:17PM 7/15. That's not to say they did or didn't have the opportunity to do something 7/16 before the Pontiac was picked up by LE...just looked @ 7/15 info.

It would be nice to have someone look-up:
1) the towyard timestamp. (George & Cindy alone time)
2) Also the timestamp of the first 911 call (Cindy & Casey alone time away from the Pontiac)
3) Lee showed up @ G&C's (Cindy & Casey alone time with the Pontiac)

Thanks, JWG & Coley. The timing all seems to fit in what Coley posted w/o using too much of a shoe horn, IMHO.

I would've thought someone would be all over George's trips to the Boggy Creek area 7/18 by now...

 

[Coley]

It looks like the last activity for GA on the 15th was 17:17 which to me doesn't support that he went to work. B/C if he called LA at 7:50 to go check on CA & KC then where are the documents showing he came home in the HHR? There are none. B/C the next activity in the HHR is for 7/16 at 11:52 on the Beline or Beeline.

 

[Coley]

At 9:45 CA makes the 2nd 911 call b/c no one had arrived yet from the sheriffs office. Wasn't GA home at this time?

 

[Coley]

Cindy left a full hour after GA on the 15th. Which could mean she cleaned the trunk for an hour before going to the Florida mall.

 

[Coley]

It sounds plausible that during this hour of CA by herself, she is washing the clothes found in the car and knowing someone who is OCD with cleaning then why not clean the rest of the car?

 

[JWG]

More info for the timeline, this time texts from KC to Amy on the 15th:

(4:53PM) from Casey Anthony: I think your camera is at my parents. Ill check later to be sure.
(5:30PM) from Casey Anthony: Oh ok. My mom had texted me something about it

Not sure what KC is responding to at 5:30 PM. It does not appear to be related to the frantic call CA made to Amy. Amy said this call occurred around 5:00, but I think it was really around 6 and she did not correctly recall the time.

 

[Coley]

8:44 pm Cindy Anthony makes first 911 call - demands to have Casey arrested for auto theft and theft of cash. Casey finally admitts to Cindy that she doesn&#8217;t know where Caylee is.
9:45 Cindy makes a second call to 911 to report finding her missing car which smells like there has been a dead body in it. (she has already discovered and disposed of the leftover pizza.) She reports Caylee hasn't been seen for 31 days (that would have been June 14-15). Officers respond to the Anthony home and interview Casey about Caylees disappearance and her efforts to find Caylee.

During this time though from interviews LA is there. He arrived after GA called him at 7:50 to go check on the "girls". From what we gather in the interviews KC is in her room and LA is trying to get her to tell the truth while CA is nervously walking and pacing. Could she just be cleaning to take her mind off of things?

 

[BondJamesBond]

It looks like the last activity for GA on the 15th was 17:17 which to me doesn't support that he went to work. B/C if he called LA at 7:50 to go check on CA & KC then where are the documents showing he came home in the HHR? There are none. B/C the next activity in the HHR is for 7/16 at 11:52 on the Beline or Beeline.

Hey Coley. I may have it wrong, but, I'm looking @ the epass to say he came home ~2:30PM, then, he's leaving again @ 5:17PM (maybe the military time is causing confusion?), THEN, he doesn't come home via toll-road ~9:50PM.

 

[BondJamesBond]

8:44 pm Cindy Anthony makes first 911 call - demands to have Casey arrested for auto theft and theft of cash. Casey finally admitts to Cindy that she doesn’t know where Caylee is.
9:45 Cindy makes a second call to 911 to report finding her missing car which smells like there has been a dead body in it. (she has already discovered and disposed of the leftover pizza.) She reports Caylee hasn't been seen for 31 days (that would have been June 14-15). Officers respond to the Anthony home and interview Casey about Caylees disappearance and her efforts to find Caylee.

During this time though from interviews LA is there. He arrived after GA called him at 7:50 to go check on the "girls". From what we gather in the interviews KC is in her room and LA is trying to get her to tell the truth while CA is nervously walking and pacing. Could she just be cleaning to take her mind off of things?

OMG Coley

Where does it say she "disposed of the leftover pizza"????

 

[Coley]

Hey Coley. I may have it wrong, but, I'm looking @ the epass to say he came home ~2:30PM, then, he's leaving again @ 5:17PM (maybe the military time is causing confusion?), THEN, he doesn't come home via toll-road ~9:50PM.

Bond, am I missing something? B/C I do not see this 9:50 in the HHR on 7/15. I am only showing 5:17 as the last time the HHR has activity.

 

[Katana]

Hey Coley. I may have it wrong, but, I'm looking @ the epass to say he came home ~2:30PM, then, he's leaving again @ 5:17PM (maybe the military time is causing confusion?), THEN, he doesn't come home via toll-road ~9:50PM.

That is how I understood the E pass records. George went to work late (after 5 pm) and left early. He just went a different route home not passing the toll. LE could easily verify his time at work, so I don't think George lied about that. However, I remember an interview with George saying he left work at about 8:30 or before 9. Did he arrive home at 9:50? I don't know how far his work is but, it would appear he had time to stop somewhere. Is this why he didn't travel the same way home?

 

[Coley]

OMG Coley

Where does it say she "disposed of the leftover pizza"????

It doesn't say it anywhere. I just think that b/c Simon B. can't swear to the pizza box being in the bag he throws over the fence. You know, say the pizza box was out of the bag and he just remembers seeing it in the trunk but he can't swear to it so I'm thinking CA was on a rampage cleaning and this is what happen. Just my thoughts. Sorry to scare you :crazy:

 

[Coley]

1:55 is the time from the tow yard per Simon's statement.

ETA: He gets this time from the "time release" they have to do on all cars.

 

[BondJamesBond]

It doesn't say it anywhere. I just think that b/c Simon B. can't swear to the pizza box being in the bag he throws over the fence. You know, say the pizza box was out of the bag and he just remembers seeing it in the trunk but he can't swear to it so I'm thinking CA was on a rampage cleaning and this is what happen. Just my thoughts. Sorry to scare you :crazy:

ok, then, just speculation? gonna delete my post now. come back re: 9:50, etc. in a sec.

 

[SuziQ]

Wow, that's pretty damned compelling.

 

[JWG]

Silly me...here is the sequence of messages between KC and Amy:

KC AH 7/15/08 4:53 PM I think your camera is at my parents. I’ll check later to be sure.
AH KC 7/15/08 5:22 PM It’s not. I must have put down the wrong address bc it came back there. I'm just having it sent to the boys’ house.
KC AH 7/15/08 5:30 PM Oh, ok. My mom had texted me something about it.

EPass for CA shows her going through the toll near the airport at 6:17 PM. According to Google, it is a 17 minute drive to that toll from the Anthony's assuming normal traffic delays and adherence to the speed limit. Total 30 minute drive to the mall. Then, 29 minute drive to AL's from the mall taking Colonial rather than toll road. Call it 7:00 to 7:15 when they get to AL.