KC's Pregnancy/Denial (Merged Threads)

But didn't George admit...and I know it's somewhere here...that he actually knew earlier on...or was that Lee...or both?
PS- Have we ever heard any friends' take on the whole pregnancy issue...like when they found out? What was confided to them?

IIRC Lee said he knew far earlier than it was announced to the extended family, he was insulted by the denials and he just thought you know what she has two parents let them handle her. He said she picked him up from the airport one time and it was beyond obvious. I will try to find that for you.

http://www.google.com/search?q=lee+...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQqwQwAA

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNZHO2EnZRw[/ame]
 
Yes, of course!!!


i love that pic of jesus and caylee too....poor girl never had a chance. thank god ca brother( rick?) was the one to call them out on their denial? mrs g norris thanks for the pics of a prego ica and ca..something, imo appears off in BOTH of them...
 
Friends, Great Grandma Shirley said in her police interview that she too knew Casey was pregnant, but Cindy even tried to deny it to her, same goes with Cindy's co workers. It was not a secret that Casey was pregnant, it was simply annoying that Cindy was denying the obvious. Casey even made a joke of it at Uncle Rick's wedding. One of the boys asked Casey about it and she just grinned and laughed. This was no secret.
http://www.google.com/search?q=shir...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCUQqwQwAA
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjWjltNcR-Y[/ame]

Regarding the photo of Jesus, it is taken from the adorable picture of Caylee clinging to her great grandfather. When the jury sees that photo, and dear God, if they see the video with him humming ever so softly to this innocent child, all the experts the defense wants to call are going forgotten. The jury, old or young, educated or not, male or female, any nationality are going to have a visceral reaction to how small and helpless this baby was.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cayl...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CDUQqwQwAQ
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0[/ame]
God bless that man this Christmas. How he and great grandma Shirley have suffered over this would be tough to measure. I HATE to hear Cindy and Casey call this child "Case", she is not a Casey do over, she was her own , separate person. What the hell?
 
FWIW, IIRC Casey came around the Grunds(again)after having dated Jesse previously. She came to their house to give Jesse's brother information about a job where she(really had for a while)worked. Chris is his name, IIRC. Richard Grund saw Casey and she was very pregnant, he asked Jesse about Casey and her condition and Jesse said Casey had said she was having female problems. Richard Grund told Jesse and LE, he knew Casey was pregnant.

I agree this pregnancy was no secret it was just denied. Casey was asked by her parents if she was and she told Cindy she was still a virgin. What confuses me is Casey's employment at that time. She was working before Caylee was born, I remember it being mentioned by Cindy(?)someone about Casey taking "maternity leave." (We know she never went back to work after Caylee was born, she was taking advantage of Lauren as a babysitter and IIRC she found out Casey did not have a job and stopped watching Caylee) If Casey was able to take maternity leave, what was she telling her employers/co-workers as her belly grew? Then, at what point did she say it was a pregnancy to receive maternity leave? How was Casey allowed at work saying she had such a tumor or medical condition? And, then be able to switch it up and receive maternity benefits? :waitasec:

What a statement about Casey's ability to live with deception! To go about her business(even helping Jesse's bro to get a job, what a gal that Casey)so obviously with child-yet denying it all to everyone.

o/t but when Richard Grund brought up to Cindy that Casey had tried to say Jesse was Caylee's father when she knew it was not true, Cindy's reaction was to say(paraphrased) "Well, he was willing to do it, or be the father..." Placing blame on the victim, transferring blame is the name of the game for the Anthonys.

So, because someone was willing to do the right thing, a loving thing-it is okay to deceive them? To use them? Hey, they were nice enough to help me so it's their fault they got hurt-is pure sociopathic thinking imho.

I think the way Casey handled being pregnant shows something was already not right with her on a emotional and behavioral level. A young woman might feel the need to hide her condition but Casey did not try to hide it, she tried to convince everyone else around her they weren't seeing what they were seeing. :hypno:

I think of the Police song, "every little thing she does is magic" but replace the words with "every little thing they do is crazy" in my head when I think about the Anthony family.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aENX1Sf3fgQ[/ame]

"Every little thing...every little thing...she do is Magic! Magic! Magic! Keoh! Keoh! Ke-oh, oh, oh, ohhh..."

Sorry for the unrequested tour of my mind. :crazy:

What were any of the Anthony's thinking regarding Casey and her "bump"? I agree, at the least Cindy as a mother and a nurse should have gotten Casey help. So, who knows? But it all adds up to Caylee already being a part of that insanity before she was even born. :(

ETA: Consciously or subconsciously I think yes, the pregnancy denial is linked to the murder. Thinking more about Casey walking around telling such an obvious lie makes her ability to "ugly cope" seem par for the course. She probably didn't have a plan, she was just going to make everyone else believe her reality.

:twocents:
 
Friends, Great Grandma Shirley said in her police interview that she too knew Casey was pregnant, but Cindy even tried to deny it to her, same goes with Cindy's co workers. It was not a secret that Casey was pregnant, it was simply annoying that Cindy was denying the obvious. Casey even made a joke of it at Uncle Rick's wedding. One of the boys asked Casey about it and she just grinned and laughed. This was no secret.
http://www.google.com/search?q=shir...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCUQqwQwAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjWjltNcR-Y

Regarding the photo of Jesus, it is taken from the adorable picture of Caylee clinging to her great grandfather. When the jury sees that photo, and dear God, if they see the video with him humming ever so softly to this innocent child, all the experts the defense wants to call are going forgotten. The jury, old or young, educated or not, male or female, any nationality are going to have a visceral reaction to how small and helpless this baby was.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cayl...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CDUQqwQwAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0
God bless that man this Christmas. How he and great grandma Shirley have suffered over this would be tough to measure. I HATE to hear Cindy and Casey call this child "Case", she is not a Casey do over, she was her own , separate person. What the hell?

BBM

TWA, thank you for your post. Great, as always.

Regarding my bold, I think the name Cindy and KC call Caylee is "Cays" not "Case'.... subtle difference, I know, but to me they are shortened versions of two different names. I do the same thing to many of the names of my loved ones.

Nevertheless, it bothers me to hear them use the name as a term of affection, because they both have shown just exactly how much real affection they feel for Caylee.

:twocents:
 
When it was time to hold my son after he was born I was vomitting and dealing with the second part (giving birth to the placenta Yuck!) so they just automatically handed him to his father. There are lots of things that could be going on after delivery at the time that makes the mother unable to hold the child *first*... labor and delivery isn't always easy. I just don't understand why they all made such a big deal about it. So what she held the baby first, you carried her for 9 months and gave her life.

BBM

I agree with you, OLG.... but this is Cindy and KC Anthony we are talking about here. Knowing the personalities of each of these two women, I need to know nothing more to understand that's just the way they related to each other. And it didn't begin with Caylee's birth.

For me, trying to understand WHY their relationship was the way it was would entail understanding the sociopathic mind.... and that's just something I cannot relate to at all.

JMO.
 
IIRC Lee said he knew far earlier than it was announced to the extended family, he was insulted by the denials and he just thought you know what she has two parents let them handle her. He said she picked him up from the airport one time and it was beyond obvious. I will try to find that for you.

http://www.google.com/search?q=lee+...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQqwQwAA
But...IIRC...George also mentioned in an interview that he knew earlier...could it have been 5 months? These folks definitely have a time problem.
 
ICA and CA were doing a "dance" for years-with ICA leading and CA following (cleaning up her messes and covering for her misteps (mistruths). When CA decided to take the lead (Control) away from ICA-the dance ended. To ICA that meant Caylee ended-there was no more need for Caylee-she no longer served a purpose in ICA's life.IMO:furious:
However, what has always fascinated me was how ICA dressed for Uncle Ricks wedding. I mean-if you want to disguise a pregnancy you don't wear a belly bearing dress with a tight midriff length sweater. I've often wondered who decided on that outfit-ICA or CA?:waitasec:
Was CA using Rick and his wedding to force the truth out of ICA the same way CA was using the 911 call to force the truth out of ICA? Was CA trying to force Rick and the rest of the family to believe ICA wasn't pregnant-but still a virginal girl incapable of being pregnant just like she is trying to force us to believe ICA is actually a victim and really MOTY?:snooty:
IMO-If Caylee had lived and ICA had found another man to go off with and bear children with-Caylee would have been treated very different from those children. Caylee would have always represented ICA's "mistake"!:twocents:

What was she trying to force though? If my daughter were that pregnant I wouldn't have to force anything. "You're pregnant, let's move forward." And nothing she could have short of a watermelon tumor would be a sufficient reason for the belly, and if she wouldn't admit she was pregnant, then I would have insisted that she go immediately to a cancer specialist. Come on....
 
Guys bear with me, but I have been thinking for awhile that Casey never intended on bringing up Caylee or allowing her to live much past her first breath. I don't think we can ignore the pregnancy denial. Think of all those girls who hide their pregnancy, then deliver in secret and carry on as if nothing ever happened. If Rick hadn't intervened and forced Cindy and George to acknowledge the fact that Casey was pregnant, I think that Casey would have just had her somewhere, disposed of her then carried on with her life as if she had been some kind of benign tumor which had miraculously disappeared. Caylee's eventual murder was possibly an overdue event in Casey's mind if this theory is correct and she had been living on borrowed time. Do any of you think this scenario is possible?

This is from a story which wrapped up last week, which set me to thinking, would Casey have acted the same way towards Caylee as Keli Lane did towards Tegan if she had never been exposed at the wedding?

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pregnancy-denial-linked-to-lifestyle-20101214-18wwg.html

Forgive me if this offends anyone...but I have always thought that if KC had just aborted the baby 2 1/2 years prior...she would have been legal in murdering her baby and never in this mess.
 
ICA and CA were doing a "dance" for years-with ICA leading and CA following (cleaning up her messes and covering for her misteps (mistruths). When CA decided to take the lead (Control) away from ICA-the dance ended. To ICA that meant Caylee ended-there was no more need for Caylee-she no longer served a purpose in ICA's life.IMO:furious:
However, what has always fascinated me was how ICA dressed for Uncle Ricks wedding. I mean-if you want to disguise a pregnancy you don't wear a belly bearing dress with a tight midriff length sweater. I've often wondered who decided on that outfit-ICA or CA?:waitasec:
Was CA using Rick and his wedding to force the truth out of ICA the same way CA was using the 911 call to force the truth out of ICA? Was CA trying to force Rick and the rest of the family to believe ICA wasn't pregnant-but still a virginal girl incapable of being pregnant just like she is trying to force us to believe ICA is actually a victim and really MOTY?:snooty:
IMO-If Caylee had lived and ICA had found another man to go off with and bear children with-Caylee would have been treated very different from those children. Caylee would have always represented ICA's "mistake"!:twocents:

What was she trying to force though? If my daughter were that pregnant I wouldn't have to force anything. "You're pregnant, let's move forward." And nothing she could have short of a watermelon tumor would be a sufficient reason for the belly, and if that, then I would have taken her immediately to a cancer specialist. And further, if she was clearly pregnant and continuing to deny it, i would have went for a probate to have her picked up because at 7 months pregnant with a baby she was denying, that baby "ain't" safe.
 
The Anthonys live in a constant state of denial. I don't think it was a sudden onset condition brought on by the trauma of losing Caylee.

That said, are we sure that they were complicit in the coverup of the pregnancy? I'm not. I think if Casey told them the sky was fuschia, they'd smile and agree because it would be easier than the alternative. George and Cindy have a sort of denial folie a deux that is really quite amazing, I'd imagine, from a psychology perspective. They should be trapped and studied.

From a common sense perspective, however, I don't think KC could have picked a more revealing outfit for that wedding. It actually hollers "HI! I'M PREGNANT!" The pastel blue, which nicely accentuates the bump. The little white sweater tied meekly in front. It's like she pulled it off a mannequin at Motherhood. I can't imagine that CA wouldn't have said "Do you want to draw attention to your tumor? Put on some spanx, for cryin' out loud."

I think this was intended to make the relatives talk. I think this was a passive move by KC (or the family in concert) to let everyone know so CA wouldn't have to send out some kind of humiliating mass email. I still don't believe CA had come to terms with the pregnancy, however, and was likely still praying that KC had benign fibroids. Maybe KC told her "Hey, mom. I went to the GYN today and they said I had a 3.5 pound fibroid. They said the earliest OR slot was opening in 2.5 months."

Seriously, though. I had the odd fortune of meeting the Anthonys once. I thought GA was a sweet guy who seemed tired. CA was very pleasant to me, but seemed out of it. She spent our conversation pulling sandspurs off my jacket. I sympathize with the crazy nightmare their life has become, but it's hard to talk to them and not come away with the feeling that there is and was something very, very wrong going on in their lives. I know it's hard for a stranger to know, but they just looked beat down by life in a way that goes beyond the Caylee horror. I'm sure there was no small amount of parenting malpeactice going on, but I also think that KC has damaged them over the years.

MomofBoys - thank you in particular for this last paragraph, and yes, I can easily believe life with ICA, in spite of their particular family dynamics, has been some kind of horror story and they are just dead bone tired of it all.
 
What was she trying to force though? If my daughter were that pregnant I wouldn't have to force anything. "You're pregnant, let's move forward." And nothing she could have short of a watermelon tumor would be a sufficient reason for the belly, and if she wouldn't admit she was pregnant, then I would have insisted that she go immediately to a cancer specialist. Come on....

If you believe, like I do, that ICA is a sociopath, there is no insisting she do anything she doesn't want to do. There just isn't.
 
If you believe, like I do, that ICA is a sociopath, there is no insisting she do anything she doesn't want to do. There just isn't.

Yeah, I agree. Fortunately with Probate they don't get a choice. CA wanted things to change, but didn't want to disrupt her perfect set-up. I think denial, laziness, and denial combined.
 
Regarding the photo of Jesus, it is taken from the adorable picture of Caylee clinging to her great grandfather. When the jury sees that photo, and dear God, if they see the video with him humming ever so softly to this innocent child, all the experts the defense wants to call are going forgotten. The jury, old or young, educated or not, male or female, any nationality are going to have a visceral reaction to how small and helpless this baby was.

i thought it was kind of familiar! but either version, w/ great grandpa or jesus is touching and heartbreaking at once, ya know? god bless the great grandparents this christmas...it HAS to be tough
i too wondered how ridiculous cindy feels a RN who cant see that her perfect child is 7 months pregnant? ok, DENIAL! that answered that last question....same reason she claims caylee is alive and her and ica can really go look for her when the trial is over...
 
If you believe, like I do, that ICA is a sociopath, there is no insisting she do anything she doesn't want to do. There just isn't.

Yep, if Casey says she's not pregnant, even though it's obvious, she's not pregnant. It's just a tumor!

Unbelievable that they would go along with Casey that way, but they did.
 
It's pretty insulting that they expected Rick and Shirley, the extended family, Cindy's co-workers, and anyone else who queried it to go along with this ridiculous story. They really hold the truth in contempt. This whole pregnancy fiasco just shows that collectively they were pretty far gone even before Caylee came along. Something unsavory makes it to the public eye? Well they wont deal with it as a reality, they just seem to think the main problem is not the issue at hand, but what other people might think, so they create a ridiculous explanation then brow beat others into [pretending at least] to believe them, and let the real problem fester.

This is how things got so bad, this is how Caylee ended up DEAD, and this is how Casey ended up in prison. There is no problem here, none at all, the only problem is what we all THINK, we all think badly of them, this needs to CHANGE, not them.

They hold the real world in contempt because they cannot face their own personal failings.

What's that line from Oprah, first God throws a pebble, then a rock, then if you still don't get it he throws a brick through your window....well the pregnancy denial was the brick, unfortunately they didn't seem to think that was a big enough wake up call, and from what we have seen so far the events of 2008 haven't inspired much change either.

It's time to wake up George and Cindy - you've found out what gets thrown at you once you ignore the brick, you might not want to find out what gets thrown at you after that.
 
But...IIRC...George also mentioned in an interview that he knew earlier...could it have been 5 months? These folks definitely have a time problem.

I think the confusion was because, at the time Casey finally was forced to have an ultrasound and "learned" she was pregnant, she said, "It can't possibly have been more than 5 months because that's the first time I had sex, ever, which was with Jesse.":angel: But in actuality she was 7 months pregnant at the time. Which is why everyone was so surprised when Caylee was born 2 months later with no signs of prematurity. :waitasec:
 
I think the confusion was because, at the time Casey finally was forced to have an ultrasound and "learned" she was pregnant, she said, "It can't possibly have been more than 5 months because that's the first time I had sex, ever, which was with Jesse.":angel: But in actuality she was 7 months pregnant at the time. Which is why everyone was so surprised when Caylee was born 2 months later with no signs of prematurity. :waitasec:

IIRC Caylee was a average size newborn - there's no way in hades that a doctor would have played along with ICA's fantasy of being 5 to 5 1/2 months pregnant vs 7 to 7 1/2 mos pregnant - your talking a dramatic difference in fetal development, prenatally. So they knew, they had to know - I wonder if the doctor's office ever noticed any of these odd behaviors / comments?

That whole business of who held Caylee first was astounding. Caylee didn't know the difference, Caylee didn't imprint CA in that moment. The fact that everyone of the A's brought it up 3 weeks shy of 3 years later - whack-a-doodle! Get over it already! I'm curious, which A actually threw that tidbit up to who? Did CA use it to irritate the bageebs out of ICA or did ICA use it to torment CA? I can hear her; "You stole my thunder!!"

I worked in OB, NSY - Labor & Delivery for 5 years, I can't imagine the nurse or doctor handing the baby off to anyone besides mom, without medical necessity. We just didn't! On the other hand, how selfish of ICA to prefer her newborn infant to be left in the warmer if she couldn't hold her - rather than to have her baby cuddled by her gma - sharing that incredible moment with her family.

Their whole tribe gives crazy new meaning!
 
IIRC Caylee was a average size newborn - there's no way in hades that a doctor would have played along with ICA's fantasy of being 5 to 5 1/2 months pregnant vs 7 to 7 1/2 mos pregnant - your talking a dramatic difference in fetal development, prenatally. So they knew, they had to know - I wonder if the doctor's office ever noticed any of these odd behaviors / comments?

That whole business of who held Caylee first was astounding. Caylee didn't know the difference, Caylee didn't imprint CA in that moment. The fact that everyone of the A's brought it up 3 weeks shy of 3 years later - whack-a-doodle! Get over it already! I'm curious, which A actually threw that tidbit up to who? Did CA use it to irritate the bageebs out of ICA or did ICA use it to torment CA? I can hear her; "You stole my thunder!!"

I worked in OB, NSY - Labor & Delivery for 5 years, I can't imagine the nurse or doctor handing the baby off to anyone besides mom, without medical necessity. We just didn't! On the other hand, how selfish of ICA to prefer her newborn infant to be left in the warmer if she couldn't hold her - rather than to have her baby cuddled by her gma - sharing that incredible moment with her family.

Their whole tribe gives crazy new meaning!

BBM- Ha! Yeah, I would not have known if my daughter were taken away on the back of a donkey, I was so stoned from the baby-havin' drugs.
But really? KC was so affected by it? And she was not having an easy time of the whole procedure, but found a way to be deeply resentful? Yep, whack-a-doodle.
However,, they do know how to keep bizarre grudges, the Anthonys. But as with everything in their world, I think there's more to it, maybe like custody threats before Caylee was born...
 

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