Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 2

[Tricia]

Forgive me if this has been brought up before.
Clayton Stamper said during the preliminary hearing, "Well, the call should be on the judge's records, too, and she made statements about what occurred during those conversations."

WHAT? Is Stamper saying the daughter said she had spoken to the judge before and stated what they discussed? Am I completely misreading this? Conversations as in more than one?
Go to 21:50 into the hearing

 

[Boxer]

Thinking about what might trigger uncontrolled rage at the time of the shooting.

It seems likely to me that when Stines initially became suspicious, he probably asked his daughter some questions, and we have no idea what she told him and whether she was fully forthcoming in her answers.

Then I can imagine, during their lunch, Stines, perhaps suspicious or perhaps inadvertently seeing something on Mullins' phone that MADE him suspicious, asking Mullins some questions and perhaps Mullins denied something or claimed something was a certain way.

Then in the chambers, Stines saw something that confirmed, in reality or at least in his own mind, whatever his suspicions were.

If it turns out the daughter's number WAS saved in Mullins' phone, perhaps it was saved under another name, maybe something that sounded too intimate for Stines' emotional state?

Regardless whether she answered or not, dialing the number from Mullins' phone would be the easiest way to immediately see what label that contact had been given by Mullins.

MOO

MOO He told the arresting officers what triggered him.

Stamper said that Stines told officers, "they're trying to kidnap my wife and kid," after the shooting as he was taken into custody.

He must have thought Mullins was involved Sounds very MH.

Chilling details emerge about ex-Kentucky sheriff accused of killing judge

Shawn "Mickey" Stines, a former Kentucky sheriff accused of fatally shooting a judge, appeared in court on Tuesday.

www.newsweek.com

 

[LadyL]

much has been said about Stine's demeanour during and after his execution of Mullins, that he was so calm ... we see it on video and Stamper mentioned that Stine seemed calm afterwords but something struck me as odd - after Stine puts those final two or three bullets into his best friend, he turns to rush out of there like he can't wait to get away but then once he left, he turned right around and went back inside the building

I don't have a point really, I just found it strange that he would begin to run out the door like for one split second, he thought he could get away with it

 

[Auntie Cipation]

MOO He told the arresting officers what triggered him.

Stamper said that Stines told officers, "they're trying to kidnap my wife and kid," after the shooting as he was taken into custody.

He must have thought Mullins was involved Sounds very MH.

Chilling details emerge about ex-Kentucky sheriff accused of killing judge

Shawn "Mickey" Stines, a former Kentucky sheriff accused of fatally shooting a judge, appeared in court on Tuesday.

www.newsweek.com

Yes, but I still think that phrase wasn't referring to a literal kidnapping but rather some situation where he felt his daughter (and possibly wife? whether as a separate situation or because the wife was standing by the daughter) was doing something with/for the judge or at the judge's request/advice/recommendation and he interpreted it as the daughter taking the judge's side as opposed to staying with him.

As I mentioned in an earlier post this could be as inappropriate as a too-personal relationship with the judge, or more along the lines of being persuaded by the judge to do something such as change churches, pursue a different career path, or as others have said, she/they possibly had turned to the judge for advice/assistance in dealing with her father's increasing mental instability.

Any of those things or similar could trigger an emotional rage reaction, especially in an already mentally unstable person.

MOO

 

[Curiousobserver]

- if I got a call (as a teenager) from my fathers phone (which I ignored), then immediately got a call from my father's friend, and a judge... being that my father is the sheriff and may have been hurt, I would answer it right away as well. To me this would be a sign something bad had happened.

I don't think that she answered the phone call is a logical reason to go berserk, not that people are always logical.

MOO- somebody involved with the deposition case on Monday before the shooting took the judge aside and said something to make the Sheriff suspicious or confirm suspicions he already had.

 

[Rosiebones]

I wonder if the daughter had reached out to the judge, as her father's best friend, to ask for help and guidance on behalf of herself and her mother on what to do about his erratic behavior and weight loss. That large a weight loss in that short amount of time would almost mean he had stopped eating.
In this context, Stine's comment about " kidnap my wife and daughter" could be be interpreted as they (the judge) are trying to put me in a treatment facility against my wishes and separate my me from my family. MOO MOO MOO MOO

 

[acehard]

much has been said about Stine's demeanour during and after his execution of Mullins, that he was so calm ... we see it on video and Stamper mentioned that Stine seemed calm afterwords but something struck me as odd - after Stine puts those final two or three bullets into his best friend, he turns to rush out of there like he can't wait to get away but then once he left, he turned right around and went back inside the building

I don't have a point really, I just found it strange that he would begin to run out the door like for one split second, he thought he could get away with it

Probably because he was afraid security will storm in and shoot him. So he slipped away from the back quickly and entered from the front to surrender calmly. IMO

 

[OldAce]

Has it ever been released what the “fatal accident” was that the Sheriff delayed responding to a reporter about? I’m just curious if this was in any way relevant to what happened - even if in such an innocuous way such as the possibly the Sheriff knew the victim and it triggered an emotional meltdown. Again, just trying to understand what made him seemingly snap.

Just floating a question I have. Details of this "fatal accident" may be connected. The accident; Stines putting a blackout order on it to his staff, his actions and commentary on "people may criticize", seem to be a possible generating point in time. What kind of accident, hunting, auto wreck, machinery operation? Who was killed, and their rep/history/position in the community? Could it not have been accidental and Stines had questions?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Forgive me if this has been brought up before.
Clayton Stamper said during the preliminary hearing, "Well, the call should be on the judge's records, too, and she made statements about what occurred during those conversations."

WHAT? Is Stamper saying the daughter said she had spoken to the judge before and stated what they discussed? Am I completely misreading this? Conversations as in more than one?
Go to 21:50 into the hearing

I pointed that out a while back. You are not misreading this at all. That is in fact what he said.
I cannot figure out why anyone is confused about this.

He VERY clearly points out that Stines' daughter made statements when she was interviewed about the calls (plural) she had with the judge, and what occurred during those conversations (plural). The conversations that he presumed, would also be on the judge's phone, since they were on the daughter's phone.

 

[Ontario Mom]

- if I got a call (as a teenager) from my fathers phone (which I ignored), then immediately got a call from my father's friend, and a judge... being that my father is the sheriff and may have been hurt, I would answer it right away as well. To me this would be a sign something bad had happened.

I don't think that she answered the phone call is a logical reason to go berserk, not that people are always logical.

MOO- somebody involved with the deposition case on Monday before the shooting took the judge aside and said something to make the Sheriff suspicious or confirm suspicions he already had.

"It’s not clear why the sheriff called his daughter from the judge’s phone. Gayheart says Stines’ daughter did not answer." Video shows the moment a Kentucky judge was shot to death

 

[NervousNellie]

I wonder if the daughter had reached out to the judge, as her father's best friend, to ask for help and guidance on behalf of herself and her mother on what to do about his erratic behavior and weight loss. That large a weight loss in that short amount of time would almost mean he had stopped eating.
In this context, Stine's comment about " kidnap my wife and daughter" could be be interpreted as they (the judge) are trying to put me in a treatment facility against my wishes and separate my me from my family. MOO MOO MOO MOO

Do you have a link indicating the judge and sheriff were best friends? I've seen reports that they knew each other well and were coworkers and friends (link below). Maybe that was in earlier reports? I could have missed it - please share a link if you have one.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5138357/kentucky-sheriff-judge-shooting-stines-mullins-courthouse-letcher-daughter-murder-killing

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Forgive me if this has been brought up before.
Clayton Stamper said during the preliminary hearing, "Well, the call should be on the judge's records, too, and she made statements about what occurred during those conversations."

WHAT? Is Stamper saying the daughter said she had spoken to the judge before and stated what they discussed? Am I completely misreading this? Conversations as in more than one?
Go to 21:50 into the hearing

That's how I interpreted it.

 

[Kemug]

Do you have a link indicating the judge and sheriff were best friends? I've seen reports that they knew each other well and were coworkers and friends (link below). Maybe that was in earlier reports? I could have missed it - please share a link if you have one.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5138357/kentucky-sheriff-judge-shooting-stines-mullins-courthouse-letcher-daughter-murder-killing

And the families also attended the same church apparently. Definitely close acquaintances at the very least. Of course that is not proof positive that they actually really liked each other.

 

[tlcya]

Forgive me if this has been brought up before.
Clayton Stamper said during the preliminary hearing, "Well, the call should be on the judge's records, too, and she made statements about what occurred during those conversations."

WHAT? Is Stamper saying the daughter said she had spoken to the judge before and stated what they discussed? Am I completely misreading this? Conversations as in more than one?
Go to 21:50 into the hearing

That is the $20,000 question IMO

Stamper was a hot mess as far as his testimony goes. All over the place during cross by defense attorney.

That whole bit about the conversations (plural) and yet we've also been told the Stines daughter did not answer the phone call Stines made to her from the judge's phone and that her number was not "stored" as a contact on Mullins' phone.

We also know that Stines made a series of calls prior to using the judge's phone to dial his daughter. Was one or more of the calls Stines made from his own phone to his daughter and if so, did she answer? what "conversations" was Stamper talking about??

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I wonder if the daughter had reached out to the judge, as her father's best friend, to ask for help and guidance on behalf of herself and her mother on what to do about his erratic behavior and weight loss. That large a weight loss in that short amount of time would almost mean he had stopped eating.
In this context, Stine's comment about " kidnap my wife and daughter" could be be interpreted as they (the judge) are trying to put me in a treatment facility against my wishes and separate my me from my family. MOO MOO MOO MOO

I’ve been thinking along the same lines. I think there’s a possibility there were concerns about Stines mental health and conversations had been taking place between all the parties involved. jmo

 

[Ontario Mom]

And the families also attended the same church apparently. Definitely close acquaintances at the very least. Of course that is not proof positive that they actually really liked each other.

This is the first I'm hearing of this. Do you have a link that confirms they attended the same church?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Do you have a link indicating the judge and sheriff were best friends? I've seen reports that they knew each other well and were coworkers and friends (link below). Maybe that was in earlier reports? I could have missed it - please share a link if you have one.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5138357/kentucky-sheriff-judge-shooting-stines-mullins-courthouse-letcher-daughter-murder-killing

I've not read every article I'm sure but I don't recall any of them saying these men were best friends.

 

[Elley Mae]

Not saying they attended the same church.

Some people in the county have tried to quiet speculation, including Michael Clark, a local preacher, who said he was good friends with the sheriff and the judge.

Why was a Kentucky judge killed? So far, it remains a mystery

The one-of-a-kind killing of a Kentucky judge, allegedly by the local sheriff, has shaken tight-knit Letcher County, leaving people baffled and unnerved as police try to figure out a motive.

www.wvia.org

 

[Friday Fan]

Has it ever been released what the “fatal accident” was that the Sheriff delayed responding to a reporter about? I’m just curious if this was in any way relevant to what happened - even if in such an innocuous way such as the possibly the Sheriff knew the victim and it triggered an emotional meltdown. Again, just trying to understand what made him seemingly snap.

I got the impression from the Mountain Eagle that the accident was a routine traffic accident...JMO... They worded it was if Stines was not following his usual routine. (They likely would have found out if it was somehow related to him etc) Although the ME is a weekly paper, they have a FB where they update on major accidents etc.

 

[Friday Fan]

Do you have a link indicating the judge and sheriff were best friends? I've seen reports that they knew each other well and were coworkers and friends (link below). Maybe that was in earlier reports? I could have missed it - please share a link if you have one.

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/11/nx-s1-5138357/kentucky-sheriff-judge-shooting-stines-mullins-courthouse-letcher-daughter-murder-killing

They knew each other well. I don't believe they were best friends. Both were members of the same party and were on the ballot at the same time, so they likely attended events together socially. And then as elected officials, once again there are numerous social events that occur in addition to work. (Christmas events for example) IOW, they ran in the same circles quite a bit.