Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 3

I don't know if he's terrified, having some sort of mental break, on drugs, or what, or all three... but his behavior is completely off-kilter. Completely silent when asked if this had something to do with his family, every time they asked him, plus not realizing that yes, they were taking him to the jail, not out to the forest, and not turning him over to someone who was going to hurt/kill him.
This cannot have been normal behavior for him, and lends credence to what we've heard about his paranoia over the weeks/days preceding the shooting.
A lot to unpack here, for sure.
IMO.
He definitely seems “off”. But the old saying that “just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean someone isn’t out to get you” comes to mind. Was he paranoid in a delusional/psychotic manner or did he really believe that Mullins (and possibly “higher ups” that were mentioned in the recording with the witness in the Ben Fields case) may have been involved in criminal activity and he was terrified not knowing who else may be involved?
 
WOW Just released body cam footage.
A couple of timestamps:
2:35 - 911 call saying the judge has been shot, then dashcam footage and audio of a trooper responding to the call and telling someone over the radio that the call he’s responding to is apparently Judge Mullins being shot. He laughs after saying that, possibly awkward laughter at the shock of a judge in a small town being shot.
3:10 - body cam footage with audio. They talk about securing the crime scene and separating witnesses, but IMO they seem a little flustered about trying to separate people
4:10 - dash cam footage showing a couple of women trying to get into the courthouse, upset, but being blocked. Then dash cam footage of Stines being guided to the car. He asks the LEOs to make sure there are no weapons in the car, then says something about them leaving him in the car to die and that he can’t “get up in there, come on now.” He says he can’t get in the car, the “cuffs are way too tight, come on now.” He says they have carbon monoxide in there. He asks them to be fair and repeatedly says “come on now.” IMO his pleading sounds like a captive in a mob movie who thinks he’s about to be executed. He starts calling some of the LEOs by name and asks them to loosen the cuffs, can they crack a window?, be fair to him now. They agree to turn the A/C on and he says it’s hot and he can’t breathe. Per the timestamps on the footage, he was in the car for a maximum of 2 minutes at this point, and the door is not yet closed at this point.
7:00 - dash cam footage from the drive. Stines continues to say come on now guys. “Make sure I get to the jail.” The troopers try and engage him about why he did it. After that, he pauses and then says “come on now guys, what’re you doing” again. Trooper says I’m just asking you…(no response)…was it something to do with your family or something like that? They ask again later. They say they are almost to the jail and ask again if there’s anything he wants to say? No response still. Then, Stines sounds worried and repeats “this is not the jail,” and the trooper tells him that are going to the jail. Once parked, he asks who he is being passed off to, the troopers say he’s not being passed off, they were just following some other guy to the jail because they didn’t know the way. He asks for them to be fair again. The trooper asks again if this has anything to do with his family. A pause, and then he says “don’t put me in that Lesley County van.”
12:10 - a statement from Stines’s lawyers: The recently released footage affirms our belief that our client felt there was an imminent threat to his family and himself. There was an extreme amount of pressure placed upon him as a result of the pending civil case and it’s potential to reveal matter within the courthouse. The footage shows that our client perceived a genuine threat, and its impact upon his mental health is apparent.”
13:40 - audio from Adkins claiming there is footage of “stuff” in the judge’s chambers, and that she has seen one of the videos, and in that video Judge Mullins has sex with an unknown woman. She says his face is clear.

IMO the silence after the trooper’s questions make Stines’s pleading seem disingenuous. If he is truly delusional and thinks that he was protecting his family, and thinks that these troopers are going to do something to him, I think he would be trying something to change his situation other than repeating “be fair to me.” If he thinks these guys are going to kill him, and they’re asking him about something, and he’s scrambling for his safety, and he’s terrified, why would he be ignoring their questions? Delusions don’t make rational sense, but they still have an internal consistency. To me, it sounds like he has just given himself a few phrases to try and make it look a certain way—to try and make it look like he is afraid or isn’t sane—but he manages to give zero information about what he is afraid of. It’s all generic.
 
Even though Stines does seem disoriented and possibly suffering paranoia, the way he seems to automatically respond to certain cues or movements, like the cops trying to close the door and being handed off does make me wonder if there is a possible history of incarcerated or arrested persons being assaulted, abused, beaten, harmed or subjected to a severe form of some type of injustice as they treated in this county? If possible, perhaps even in his confused or altered state Stines was able to automatically recognize or recall such scenarios and worried that as a now arrested and handcuffed person himself he could be left vulnerable and subjected to the same type of violence, injustice or harm?

Of course this thought doesn’t mean I am excusing the violence and harm he inflicted on Judge Mullins that resulted in his murder nor am I ruling out that his responses and behavior can be the result of paranoia or other mental, emotional or physical condition that resulted in his altered mental status. It was just thinking about or questioning more.

I also wonder if there is possibly anything telling or insightful about why he plead to not be put in the Leslie County van or his fear that the officers were using the guise of taking him to the jail to actually bring him to the forest instead?

Again it is possible that there isn’t and these comments are side effects of emotional, physical or mental distress but it was something that caught my interests.
 
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A couple of timestamps:
2:35 - 911 call saying the judge has been shot, then dashcam footage and audio of a trooper responding to the call and telling someone over the radio that the call he’s responding to is apparently Judge Mullins being shot. He laughs after saying that, possibly awkward laughter at the shock of a judge in a small town being shot.
3:10 - body cam footage with audio. They talk about securing the crime scene and separating witnesses, but IMO they seem a little flustered about trying to separate people
4:10 - dash cam footage showing a couple of women trying to get into the courthouse, upset, but being blocked. Then dash cam footage of Stines being guided to the car. He asks the LEOs to make sure there are no weapons in the car, then says something about them leaving him in the car to die and that he can’t “get up in there, come on now.” He says he can’t get in the car, the “cuffs are way too tight, come on now.” He says they have carbon monoxide in there. He asks them to be fair and repeatedly says “come on now.” IMO his pleading sounds like a captive in a mob movie who thinks he’s about to be executed. He starts calling some of the LEOs by name and asks them to loosen the cuffs, can they crack a window?, be fair to him now. They agree to turn the A/C on and he says it’s hot and he can’t breathe. Per the timestamps on the footage, he was in the car for a maximum of 2 minutes at this point, and the door is not yet closed at this point.
7:00 - dash cam footage from the drive. Stines continues to say come on now guys. “Make sure I get to the jail.” The troopers try and engage him about why he did it. After that, he pauses and then says “come on now guys, what’re you doing” again. Trooper says I’m just asking you…(no response)…was it something to do with your family or something like that? They ask again later. They say they are almost to the jail and ask again if there’s anything he wants to say? No response still. Then, Stines sounds worried and repeats “this is not the jail,” and the trooper tells him that are going to the jail. Once parked, he asks who he is being passed off to, the troopers say he’s not being passed off, they were just following some other guy to the jail because they didn’t know the way. He asks for them to be fair again. The trooper asks again if this has anything to do with his family. A pause, and then he says “don’t put me in that Lesley County van.”
12:10 - a statement from Stines’s lawyers: The recently released footage affirms our belief that our client felt there was an imminent threat to his family and himself. There was an extreme amount of pressure placed upon him as a result of the pending civil case and it’s potential to reveal matter within the courthouse. The footage shows that our client perceived a genuine threat, and its impact upon his mental health is apparent.”
13:40 - audio from Adkins claiming there is footage of “stuff” in the judge’s chambers, and that she has seen one of the videos, and in that video Judge Mullins has sex with an unknown woman. She says his face is clear.

IMO the silence after the trooper’s questions make Stines’s pleading seem disingenuous. If he is truly delusional and thinks that he was protecting his family, and thinks that these troopers are going to do something to him, I think he would be trying something to change his situation other than repeating “be fair to me.” If he thinks these guys are going to kill him, and they’re asking him about something, and he’s scrambling for his safety, and he’s terrified, why would he be ignoring their questions? Delusions don’t make rational sense, but they still have an internal consistency. To me, it sounds like he has just given himself a few phrases to try and make it look a certain way—to try and make it look like he is afraid or isn’t sane—but he manages to give zero information about what he is afraid of. It’s all generic.
The laughter really caught my attention and made me think “Hmmm?”! To me, it gave me a sort of flash feeling like maybe they weren’t completely surprised that this happened. I don’t mean that they had knowledge about it beforehand or that they were a part of it, rather that they may have heard rumors (true or not) of some issues.
 
There is actually alot to unpack in that video. But, I want to comment on the dashcam footage and audio of the trooper talking and telling someone over the radio that Judge Mullins been shot. He laughs after saying it, as if it weren't holy unexpected what happened to Mullins.
I've listed to the video a hundred times. I'm going to have to agree with angelcat13.
 
The laughter really caught my attention and made me think “Hmmm?”! To me, it gave me a sort of flash feeling like maybe they weren’t completely surprised that this happened. I don’t mean that they had knowledge about it beforehand or that they were a part of it, rather that they may have heard rumors (true or not) of some issues.
Yes!! The laughter caught me off guard as well! I mean what’s funny about a Judge being shot? These were State Troopers correct?

If so, I thought either the Judge has a local reputation (whisper) in the law enforcement community. Or it’s a local yocal type of thing, if you know what I mean? State Agencies sometimes look down their nose at local government.

I also thought Stines refusal to answer the repeated question about why he shot the judge interesting. He had the presence of mind to protect himself by remaining silent. That contradicts his other paranoid statements. He knows everything he says is being recorded, are the other things he says intentional?

I waiver on my opinion on that.
 
I’m not sure what I’m feeling about this but a thought about why he didn’t answer questions regarding his family could be that if he was paranoid and believed these officers were taking him somewhere else to harm him (and believes someone is trying to take his family) then that could have made him not want to answer questions to give them more information (and in his mind be successful).
 
His paranoia doesn't have to be based on facts as we see them. That is the very definition of paranoia, an altered interpretation of circumstances. MOO MOO MOO
Exactly. I think paranoia forms in the space where someone's beliefs about a situation no longer coincide with reality. When severe enough, the person loses ability to reality check. Jmo.

Personally can't glean much from the audio up thread. I suppose, sheriff Stines could be being disingenuous. Have no idea, but if the murder was planned in advance and the confusion is an act, that would be a red flag for a serious case of psychopathy imo.

I think he is likely to mount some kind of mental health defense though. It may be hard proving, but imo that's his best chance of avoiding a sentence for premeditated 1st degree murder, and instead possibly getting 20 years or something instead of life or even the DP. Moo
 
A couple of timestamps:
2:35 - 911 call saying the judge has been shot, then dashcam footage and audio of a trooper responding to the call and telling someone over the radio that the call he’s responding to is apparently Judge Mullins being shot. He laughs after saying that, possibly awkward laughter at the shock of a judge in a small town being shot.
3:10 - body cam footage with audio. They talk about securing the crime scene and separating witnesses, but IMO they seem a little flustered about trying to separate people
4:10 - dash cam footage showing a couple of women trying to get into the courthouse, upset, but being blocked. Then dash cam footage of Stines being guided to the car. He asks the LEOs to make sure there are no weapons in the car, then says something about them leaving him in the car to die and that he can’t “get up in there, come on now.” He says he can’t get in the car, the “cuffs are way too tight, come on now.” He says they have carbon monoxide in there. He asks them to be fair and repeatedly says “come on now.” IMO his pleading sounds like a captive in a mob movie who thinks he’s about to be executed. He starts calling some of the LEOs by name and asks them to loosen the cuffs, can they crack a window?, be fair to him now. They agree to turn the A/C on and he says it’s hot and he can’t breathe. Per the timestamps on the footage, he was in the car for a maximum of 2 minutes at this point, and the door is not yet closed at this point.
7:00 - dash cam footage from the drive. Stines continues to say come on now guys. “Make sure I get to the jail.” The troopers try and engage him about why he did it. After that, he pauses and then says “come on now guys, what’re you doing” again. Trooper says I’m just asking you…(no response)…was it something to do with your family or something like that? They ask again later. They say they are almost to the jail and ask again if there’s anything he wants to say? No response still. Then, Stines sounds worried and repeats “this is not the jail,” and the trooper tells him that are going to the jail. Once parked, he asks who he is being passed off to, the troopers say he’s not being passed off, they were just following some other guy to the jail because they didn’t know the way. He asks for them to be fair again. The trooper asks again if this has anything to do with his family. A pause, and then he says “don’t put me in that Lesley County van.”
12:10 - a statement from Stines’s lawyers: The recently released footage affirms our belief that our client felt there was an imminent threat to his family and himself. There was an extreme amount of pressure placed upon him as a result of the pending civil case and it’s potential to reveal matter within the courthouse. The footage shows that our client perceived a genuine threat, and its impact upon his mental health is apparent.”
13:40 - audio from Adkins claiming there is footage of “stuff” in the judge’s chambers, and that she has seen one of the videos, and in that video Judge Mullins has sex with an unknown woman. She says his face is clear.

IMO the silence after the trooper’s questions make Stines’s pleading seem disingenuous. If he is truly delusional and thinks that he was protecting his family, and thinks that these troopers are going to do something to him, I think he would be trying something to change his situation other than repeating “be fair to me.” If he thinks these guys are going to kill him, and they’re asking him about something, and he’s scrambling for his safety, and he’s terrified, why would he be ignoring their questions? Delusions don’t make rational sense, but they still have an internal consistency. To me, it sounds like he has just given himself a few phrases to try and make it look a certain way—to try and make it look like he is afraid or isn’t sane—but he manages to give zero information about what he is afraid of. It’s all generic.
I think, if he isn't trusting anyone, he can't answer these questions. IMO

He is a murderer, but atm I am sorry for him. He must have very negative experiences with all LE.
 
'I think the deposition has several important roles in this case,' Bartley said in a phone interview.

'I think that there’s not a single factor, but I do think it’s going to be a large portion of the story we tell.'


According to a witness statement after the killing, Mullins was allegedly seen with an unidentified female in the same chambers where he was shot and killed.

The allegation against the judge was made by Sabrina Adkins, a woman who was raped by one of Stines' deputies, Ben Fields, according to police audios.

'I seen Judge Mullins having sex with a girl... In his office, in the judge’s chambers,' she said in a recording of a police interview.

Adkins can be also heard saying that former deputy sheriff Fields 'does have some videotapes of some stuff in the judge’s chambers… just with girls, sexual and stuff.'

She alleged that the tapes featured Fields and 'some higher ups' in the chambers having sex, suggesting there may be as-yet unidentified others involved in the sextortion scam.
 
I think, if he isn't trusting anyone, he can't answer these questions. IMO

He is a murderer, but atm I am sorry for him. He must have very negative experiences with all LE.
I don’t think he needed to answer the questions, but I think if he is terrified of the trooper, it is bizarre for him to outright ignore the questions.

(Paraphrased) Stines says come on be fair now. Trooper asks if what he did had anything to do with his family. No response. A moment later, Stines says come on be fair. Trooper says this is his opportunity to say if it had something to do with his family. Stines doesn’t respond. Stines says they aren’t taking him to the jail. Trooper says yes we’re taking you to the jail (they’re about 2 minutes away at this point). Stines says this isn’t the jail.

He replies to them when they engage with his concerns (the cuffs being tight, the heat in the car, where they’re taking him, who they’re passing him off to), but is noticeably not responding to what they say.

I may be alone in this, but to me it reads strongly as malingering.
 
Full disclosure: I did not watch the video. Thank you @Mack the Knife for your detailed description.

What prompted LE to start asking him whether the shooting had anything to do with his family?
I think that was what he said to an officer back at the scene, right after the shooting. They all must have repeated it to each other, JMO.
 
When did the alleged statement, "they're trying to take my kids" occur? It not is on the video and there is not a mention of him making that comment before, as if that might've been the reason the officer was asking him if it had anything to do with his family? We still don't know how that statement came out exact or if it was recorded.
 
When did the alleged statement, "they're trying to take my kids" occur? It not is on the video and there is not a mention of him making that comment before, as if that might've been the reason the officer was asking him if it had anything to do with his family? We still don't know how that statement came out exact or if it was recorded.
I don’t think that was the exact statement made that you list in quotations? The agent who testified at the hearing told us that information, IIRC? Sorry on the road so I don’t have a link handy to verify.
 
I don’t think that was the exact statement made that you list in quotations? The agent who testified at the hearing told us that information, IIRC? Sorry on the road so I don’t have a link handy to verify.
Correct. Definitely not the exact statement. I believe the agent testified he didn't hear it either, but something along those lines was said by Stines to another officer. If I'm also recalling correctly.
 

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