Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 3

[tlcya]

I don't. I think the danger was all in his own mind. I think we will all be seriously let down if and when this trial eventually occurs. I don't believe there is going to be some big revelation that makes the cold blooded murder we've witnessed suddenly make sense.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

There was something serious going on. Possibly pressure on the daughter to divulge some knowledge she had learned. Stines got some surprise corroboration from the deposition testimony. He began to investigate; reached a conclusion, and probably advised wife and daughter of his position. If that position was drastic, they may have disagreed with him enough for his leaving the home . Further the next day at lunch he gets definite info. This resulted in his actions and the commentary on "they" and the family members' "safety." I think that if Stines is able to make it into open court he will blow the roof off of some activities.

So maybe something like: something inappropriate was rumored to have happened involving, say, one of Stines' daughter's friends. Upon confirming (or even just thinking he's confirmed) that activity, Stines decides his daughter is thus at similar risk, so he does what he thinks he needs to to protect her? Sorry for vagueness, trying to stay within TOS. MOO

 

[vls12345]

I don't. I think the danger was all in his own mind. I think we will all be seriously let down if and when this trial eventually occurs. I don't believe there is going to be some big revelation that makes the cold blooded murder we've witnessed suddenly make sense.

I agree, @tlcya.

 

[Sarg]

So maybe something like: something inappropriate was rumored to have happened involving, say, one of Stines' daughter's friends. Upon confirming (or even just thinking he's confirmed) that activity, Stines decides his daughter is thus at similar risk, so he does what he thinks he needs to to protect her? Sorry for vagueness, trying to stay within TOS. MOO

Even though the family said the daughter is not the reason I still tend to believe she is...or maybe friend or both. MOO. When this first broke the town's rumor mill was in high gear.

 

[PrairieWind]

I don't. I think the danger was all in his own mind. I think we will all be seriously let down if and when this trial eventually occurs. I don't believe there is going to be some big revelation that makes the cold blooded murder we've witnessed suddenly make sense.

I disagree, and I'll tell you why. In the video of the shooting, just before the shooting, Stines is lecturing the Judge (wouldn't we love to have had audio on that!!). The judge isn't reacting like "what are you talking about, you're crazy!!". He seems to know what this about and is just trying to say "lets just talk about this."

 

[Maat99]

So
1. Stines murders judge
2. Internet rumors start about motives being revenge for something with daughter. Supposedly the whole town knows.
3. Mother and daughter immediately and publicly shoot down any rumor that he was defending or doing anything on behalf of daughter
4. Even though this revenge motive is a poorly kept secret known to all, his defense lawyer and he himself can’t come up with anything better than “he is just crazy”.

I guess I don’t see any reason why everyone would protect the judge by keeping whatever he did a secret.
No one is protecting the daughter since supposedly everyone already “knows” what happened
Meanwhile the thanks that town hero and father of the year Stines gets is to end his life in prison.
Nope not buying it one bit.
It makes much more sense that Stines himself was up to something - either alone or in cahoots with judge, he was about to get caught, and he blamed the judge. Then it makes sense why he can’t put forth a plausible defense - because the real reason is incriminating. He was willing to kill to keep it secret - why spill the beans now. Also it makes sense why the daughter/mom said that it wasn’t related to the daughter - because it wasn’t.
Or - he actually is just crazy.
Jmo

 

[Ontario Mom]

So
1. Stines murders judge
2. Internet rumors start about motives being revenge for something with daughter. Supposedly the whole town knows.
3. Mother and daughter immediately and publicly shoot down any rumor that he was defending or doing anything on behalf of daughter
4. Even though this revenge motive is a poorly kept secret known to all, his defense lawyer and he himself can’t come up with anything better than “he is just crazy”.

This is the first I'm learning Stines' wife and daughter came forward to dispel any rumors as you've mentioned.

Can you please provide a link to this info?

 

[Leilei]

This is the first I'm learning Stines' wife and daughter came forward to dispel any rumors as you've mentioned.

Can you please provide a link to this info?

It was initially via their fundraising site that shall not be named here.
IMO.

 

[Knitty]

It was initially via their fundraising site that shall not be named here.
IMO.

MOD NOTE: Websleuths does not allow discussion of fundraising pages, nor linking of them - if we allowed it for one, we'd have to allow it for all.

BUT if the family is posting information on their fundraising page that is not discussed in MSM, that information can be brought here. Websleuths members should be able to parse out how to find that page in order to verify the information for themselves.

 

[Ontario Mom]

MOD NOTE: Websleuths does not allow discussion of fundraising pages, nor linking of them - if we allowed it for one, we'd have to allow it for all.

BUT if the family is posting information on their fundraising page that is not discussed in MSM, that information can be brought here. Websleuths members should be able to parse out how to find that page in order to verify the information for themselves.

Well, that's new. I'd like to see this information for myself about the wife of Mickey Stines and his daughter both refuting the rumors, but I'm unable to locate the site mentioned to verify it.

 

[Leilei]

MOD NOTE: Websleuths does not allow discussion of fundraising pages, nor linking of them - if we allowed it for one, we'd have to allow it for all.

BUT if the family is posting information on their fundraising page that is not discussed in MSM, that information can be brought here. Websleuths members should be able to parse out how to find that page in order to verify the information for themselves.

Thank you for this.
The page is run by Caroline Stines (MS's wife) sister-in-law.
If you search for Caroline Stines at the site, it should pop up.
The SIL is who posted about the rumors being false.
Please delete/edit/do the mod thing if not allowed
IMO.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Thank you for this.
The page is run by Caroline Stines (MS's wife) sister-in-law.
If you search for Caroline Stines at the site, it should pop up.
The SIL is who posted about the rumors being false.
Please delete/edit/do the mod thing if not allowed
IMO.

I was able to locate the fundraiser in question.

The previous poster had stated that Mickey Stine's wife and daughter had both publicly refuted the rumors.

On the site in question, the person denying rumors is not Mrs. Stines and her daughter, as stated here, but instead it's Mrs. Stines' sister-in-law.

 

[Leilei]

I was able to locate the fundraiser in question.

The previous poster had stated that Mickey Stine's wife and daughter had both publicly refuted the rumors.

On the site in question, the person denying rumors is not Mrs. Stines and her daughter, as stated here, but instead it's Mrs. Stines' sister-in-law.

That poster was probably me.
I'll amend my statement to the Stines family publicly refuted the rumors.
IMO.

 

[Ontario Mom]

That poster was probably me.
I'll amend my statement to the Stines family publicly refuted the rumors.
IMO.

No, I was responding initially to the claims made in this post Kentucky - Judge killed, sheriff arrested in Letcher County courthouse shooting - Sep. 19, 2024 # 3

As far as I'm aware, Mickey Stines' wife and daughter have never made any public claims about any aspects of this case.

Just trying to keep the facts straight.

 

[Seattle1]

Thank you for this.
The page is run by Caroline Stines (MS's wife) sister-in-law.
If you search for Caroline Stines at the site, it should pop up.
The SIL is who posted about the rumors being false.
Please delete/edit/do the mod thing if not allowed
IMO.

The Organizer (sister-in-law) made it clear here they did not want donors to make contributions benefiting Stines wife and daughter based on false rumors that Stines daughter was sexually abused.

By October 16, 2024, Stines defense attorney also began to step back the wild speculation and addressed the claims for the first time since the preliminary hearing:

“ There’s a lot of wild speculation at this point,” attorney Kerri Bartley said. “There is nothing we’ve seen that would substantiate that claim.”

Oct 16, 2024

Despite questioning during a preliminary hearing that fueled rumors about former sheriff Shawn “Mickey” Stines’s daughter, his defense attorneys now say they have seen no evidence of an improper relationship between her and Judge Kevin R. Mullins.

They had declined to comment on a direct question regarding those rumors asked by a Lexington Herald-Leader reporter after the preliminary hearing for Stines earlier this month.

 

[OldAce]

The Organizer (sister-in-law) made it clear here they did not want donors to make contributions benefiting Stines wife and daughter based on false rumors that Stines daughter was sexually abused.

By October 16, 2024, Stines defense attorney also began to step back the wild speculation and addressed the claims for the first time since the preliminary hearing:

“ There’s a lot of wild speculation at this point,” attorney Kerri Bartley said. “There is nothing we’ve seen that would substantiate that claim.”

The disclaimer was as I understand, specific to sex abuse. Nothing to further explain the "mystery" of the phone calls prior to the shooting, and any clear cut statement whether or not the daughters number was in Mullins phone nor any reference to either.
Again; at the time and under oath as to what had been determined, the gold standard statement:
"At this time, we have no specific evidence of . . . . . ." is the safe disclaimer.

(Like a case in MS now where a murder trial ended in a hung jury. But two weeks later the body was discovered and a grand jury has re indicted and here we go again.)

















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[Seattle1]

The disclaimer was as I understand, specific to sex abuse. Nothing to further explain the "mystery" of the phone calls prior to the shooting, and any clear cut statement whether or not the daughters number was in Mullins phone nor any reference to either.
Again; at the time and under oath as to what had been determined, the gold standard statement:
"At this time, we have no specific evidence of . . . . . ." is the safe disclaimer.

(Like a case in MS now where a murder trial ended in a hung jury. But two weeks later the body was discovered and a grand jury has re indicted and here we go again.)

















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During the preliminary hearing, the lead investigator testified that Stines called his daughter using both his and Mullins phone. I don't think this fact is in dispute.

Also, within hours following the preliminary hearing, the KSP spokesperson clarified that the daughter's phone number appeared in Mullin's outgoing calls log on the date and time Stines used his phone, confirming Stines called his daughter's phone. (Both cell phones had been sent to the State Police Forensic team and no other information was provided).

We know that shortly after the preliminary hearing, Stines attorneys publicly provided that they'd seen no evidence of an improper relationship between her [Stines daughter] and Judge Kevin R. Mullins, and seven months later, they've not changed their position. Instead, they've gone to several media sources to promote an insanity defense for their client.

However, we don't have confirmation from any source that Stines actually talked to his daughter from either phone or whether or not her name and number were part of Mullins saved contacts. Perhaps this is the phone mystery OP references. Otherwise, there's no dispute Stines made the calls. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

10/13/24

Sheriff's Daughter's Contact Info NOT Saved in Judge's Phone: Report​

The Mountain Eagle reports surveillance shows Mickey Stines dialing/inputing his daughters phone number when using Mullins phone.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Should this go to trial, I believe the statement made by the LE during the prelim where he countered the fact that the daughter's phone hadn't been collected with a sort of sarcastic comment saying whatever calls were made between her phone and the judge's phone would be on his (the judge's) phone logs - as well as - offering info that the daughter had been interviewed and described to the interviewers what occurred during those phone calls with the judge (obviously, those calls happened prior to the day he was shot) will reveal a lot more information about what was really going on. Whether her number was a stored contact number in his phone or not, doesn't really matter to me since the LE testified there are calls (plural) and the daughter gave her statement about the reasons for them.

My hope is, the denial about any type of sexual abuse is actually true, for her sake. Yet that still doesn't clear up why there was any phone contact between this girl and the judge, and it also doesn't clear up what the heck made Stines shoot him.

jmo

 

[OldAce]

During the preliminary hearing, the lead investigator testified that Stines called his daughter using both his and Mullins phone. I don't think this fact is in dispute.

Also, within hours following the preliminary hearing, the KSP spokesperson clarified that the daughter's phone number appeared in Mullin's outgoing calls log on the date and time Stines used his phone, confirming Stines called his daughter's phone. (Both cell phones had been sent to the State Police Forensic team and no other information was provided).

We know that shortly after the preliminary hearing, Stines attorneys publicly provided that they'd seen no evidence of an improper relationship between her [Stines daughter] and Judge Kevin R. Mullins, and seven months later, they've not changed their position. Instead, they've gone to several media sources to promote an insanity defense for their client.

However, we don't have confirmation from any source that Stines actually talked to his daughter from either phone or whether or not her name and number were part of Mullins saved contacts. Perhaps this is the phone mystery OP references. Otherwise, there's no dispute Stines made the calls. MOO

"However, we don't have confirmation from any source that Stines actually talked to his daughter from either phone or whether or not her name and number were part of Mullins saved contacts."

As I Questioned.