Kenya - 63 killed, dozens injured in Nairobi mall shooting, 21 Sept 2013

[trigger]

So many sad stories here......


"Kenya mall terrorists 'burnt victims' faces and cut off their hands to prevent identification' as reports emerge of woman hostage being sexually abused at gunpoint"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-faces-cut-hands-prevent-identification.html

This is so horrific that I cannot even continue reading the article.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Kenya's President tonight announced that his country had 'ashamed and defeated' its attackers following the siege on a Nairobi mall that has left 61 civilians and six security officers dead.

Three floors of the Westgate shopping centre collapsed towards the end of the operation by security forces, five alleged terrorists have been killed and there were still at least three bodies in the rubble.

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Total death toll now 72: 61 civilians, six security officers and five terrorists
President Kenyatta says country has 'ashamed and defeated' its attackers
Still at least three bodies in rubble and 11 alleged terrorists now in custody
Four-day hostage crisis after Saturday's attack on Nairobi shopping centre

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i sure hope he is right and there were only 3 hostages, its a pity none could be rescued

 

[gia2]

"Gunned down side by side: Tragedy of architect who cradled heavily pregnant Harvard girlfriend in his arms as they lay dying after being shot during Kenyan mall massacre."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-partner-shot-dead-Kenyan-mall-massacre.html

This whole event is just harrowing beyond words. So many promising lives to live and so much joy for this couple to look forward to in the near future.

 

[gia2]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24225319#TWEET900205

The group that claims to be responsible for the attack has claimed that no women took part in the attack, contrary to eye-witness reports.

 

[PrairieWind]

Just a horrific attack. Identical to the Mumbai attack. I suspect we will see more of this, since its virtually impossible to secure malls, hotels, etc.

 

[chlban]

If this is true, it makes me sick. We need to clean up our own back yard, IMO

[/QUOTE]

Israel has a few issues in their backyard, yet it is reported they sent commandos into assist the Kenyans.
Surgical strikes are not war. I would not support another war, I never, ever supported the Iraq war. I will, however, support surgical strikes in retaliation for this attack.

Terrorists need to know the US will not stand idly by for something like this. If we do, we may well be cleaining up the exact same situation in our own backyard. Or shopping malls.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Kenya's dark day: Inconsolable anguish as relatives of mall massacre victims identify their loved ones at Nairobi morgue

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[trigger]

Kenya’s President Says Mall Attackers Are ‘Defeated’

How does he know? Have they been identified? (Heard some slipped right out) :banghead:

The Kenya Red Cross said Tuesday that more than 50 people were still missing.

Mr. Kenyatta said that forensic experts would examine the corpses of the assailants to determine their identities, softening earlier assertions by Kenya’s foreign minister that Americans and a Briton were involved in the siege.

Three floors of the mall had collapsed and that there were several bodies still trapped underneath the rubble, including those of terrorists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/world/africa/kenya-mall-shooting.html?_r=0


lease: Praying for all the Victims and their families.

 

[danzn16]

This whole thing makes me sick. The fact that there are human beings on this earth that could possibly do these things to others breaks my heart. How is it possible?

 

[PrairieWind]

Kenya’s President Says Mall Attackers Are ‘Defeated’

How does he know? Have they been identified? (Heard some slipped right out) :banghead:

The Kenya Red Cross said Tuesday that more than 50 people were still missing.

Mr. Kenyatta said that forensic experts would examine the corpses of the assailants to determine their identities, softening earlier assertions by Kenya’s foreign minister that Americans and a Briton were involved in the siege.

Three floors of the mall had collapsed and that there were several bodies still trapped underneath the rubble, including those of terrorists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/world/africa/kenya-mall-shooting.html?_r=0


lease: Praying for all the Victims and their families.

Trigger, please understand that this is not the US. It's is Kenya. Statements and politics are different. But this is a country that is very democratic and very pro west on a continent that is not? They have been the brunt of several brutal attacks for trying to help calm their continent. In a region that is falling apart they are a bright spot. Do not criticize them too much.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

While I haven't participated in this discussion, I have had personal knowledge about a group of students from Kalamazoo College (Michigan) who are currently part of a study abroad program at the University of Nairobi. Friends' niece is among the students, all of whom are safe following the mall hostage situation. Our friends requested prayers for the group as the situation escalated.

Yesterday we learned that friends' niece has decided to return to campus in Michigan even though the semester is already in progress. I don't know if other students have chosen to do likewise, but it is a difficult decision for those who had eagerly anticipated this unique opportunity to immerse themselves in a culture that is much different from ours.

Thoughts and prayers for the Kalamazoo College students who are currently studying at the University of Nairobi.

Nairobi, KENYA

NairobiSynopsis: The Kalamazoo College study abroad program at the University of Nairobi, Kenya is a Long or Extended-Term program in which students will have the opportunity to study at the University in English, learn or improve understanding of the local language, Kiswahili, and live with a host family in Nairobi: the capital of Kenya and the hub of Eastern Africa...

https://reason.kzoo.edu/africanstudies/study_abroad/

 

[SilkySifaka]

While I haven't participated in this discussion, I have had personal knowledge about a group of students from Kalamazoo College (Michigan) who are currently part of a study abroad program at the University of Nairobi. Friends' niece is among the students, all of whom are safe following the mall hostage situation. Our friends requested prayers for the group as the situation escalated.

Yesterday we learned that friends' niece has decided to return to campus in Michigan even though the semester is already in progress. I don't know if other students have chosen to do likewise, but it is a difficult decision for those who had eagerly anticipated this unique opportunity to immerse themselves in a culture that is much different from ours.

Thoughts and prayers for the Kalamazoo College students who are currently studying at the University of Nairobi.

Nairobi, KENYA

NairobiSynopsis: The Kalamazoo College study abroad program at the University of Nairobi, Kenya is a Long or Extended-Term program in which students will have the opportunity to study at the University in English, learn or improve understanding of the local language, Kiswahili, and live with a host family in Nairobi: the capital of Kenya and the hub of Eastern Africa...

https://reason.kzoo.edu/africanstudies/study_abroad/

Kenya is one of the most fascinating countries in the world with in general some of the kindest people. Thanks to the large expat population and the large Indian population you still find the luxuries of home along with the mystery of darkest Africa. I was lucky enough to stay for six months, lol i went for two weeks to see my parents who were posted there and stayed. I loved it. Both the rural and urban.

I can understand your friends daughter feeling the way she does after this. It has affected every population, every economic group, from the President to the lowliest laborer. Fear will be the main anxiety for a while to come. Because these creeps had no boundaries, everyone was a target, children to adults. And many are still out there. And the killers came from around the world so there is no way to feel safe right now.

In actual fact Nairobi is probably one of the safer places in the world at this moment with guards everywhere on alert. Just as flying after 9/11 was at its safest right after the bombing. But i am not sure i wouldn't be scared there anyway.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

It's our friends' niece. I appreciate your thoughts and please keep the remaining students in your prayers.

 

[SilkySifaka]

Trigger, please understand that this is not the US. It's is Kenya. Statements and politics are different. But this is a country that is very democratic and very pro west on a continent that is not? They have been the brunt of several brutal attacks for trying to help calm their continent. In a region that is falling apart they are a bright spot. Do not criticize them too much.

This is very personal to the President to since he lost his nephew in the attack. They are doing their best to deal with something that to them is as awful as the 9/11 attacks were for us. With far far fewer resources, experience or planning for it.

One thing for sure, with the Kenyan justice system these creeps ..the 11 who were arrested..won't be around much longer. Now if all the countries help them sweep up ones that got away or were in the planning but not the attack itself we might make a dent into Al Shahab. A name that will live in infamy. My heart breaks for the people of Kenya and you are so right they are doing their best to calm a region that many countries have abandoned (somalia).

 

[SilkySifaka]

It's our friends' niece. I appreciate your thoughts and please keep the remaining students in your prayers.

I will.

 

[trigger]

Trigger, please understand that this is not the US. It's is Kenya. Statements and politics are different. But this is a country that is very democratic and very pro west on a continent that is not? They have been the brunt of several brutal attacks for trying to help calm their continent. In a region that is falling apart they are a bright spot. Do not criticize them too much.

I was upset after reading what some of the victims went through, the torture they went through, the pregnant couple lying there dying together and the President said they got these murderers when they could have just walked out freely do to it again.

Sorry if I offended anyone here. I was just upset.

lease: Prayers for the Victims and their families.

 

[SilkySifaka]

I was upset after reading what some of the victims went through, the torture they went through, the pregnant couple lying there dying together and the President said they got these murderers when they could have just walked out freely do to it again.

Sorry if I offended anyone here. I was just upset.

lease: Prayers for the Victims and their families.

I understand about being upset, this was a horrific horrific attack and I think the reason it has affected me so much is that it wasn't a bomb done from afar. These creeps looked people in the eye and deliberately shot them, be they children or adult. And it wasn't one creep but twelve or fifteen or so. That is absolute evil. It shows how absolutely fanatical they are. Look at the terrorist who gave the mars bar to the little boy and asked him to forgive him, then went to shoot more people. There is nothing that compares in my memory of such deliberate carnage, even sch9ool shootings are generally one person whom you can understand isn't any type of norm 9/11 was actually carried out by a few but again the carnage though enormous wasnt individual. Most died when the towers collapsed which may have made al qaedas day but couldn't have been foreseen and the deaths were anonymous to the attackers.

Long story short, this was personal killing on a huge scale. It is an added element of horror that makes everyone vulnerable inside themselves i think. Going to the store now can be deadly in a different way, odds are no bomb goes off but a few killers spraying you with bullets isn't as impossible any more. It wasn't just a couple of madmen, it was many fanatics and they have more.

So i get upset, hugs to you. It was the thing of nightmares.

 

[Cherry]

http://screen.yahoo.com/fbi-agents-join-kenya-mall-132304617-cbs.html

After viewing this video I wonder if they had been in the mall before it opened and had it rigged somehow. How they think that the killers got away is beyond me. I'm glad the FBI is there; boots on the ground. It seems they have little exp in the way of Law Enforcement. Many mistakes were made imo.

 

[Cherry]

Just an FYI; always keep keene on your surroundings. NO matter what country you are living in. You are correct we are no longer safe and sleeper cells do exist; in America and elsewhere. The secterian violence between these countries, one religion wiping out another, villagers turning on century old friends and even family; burning them to the ground....this never ending cycle of violence must stop. It produces NOTHING in the way of "winning" it produces nothing in the way of Demands being Met. It produces absotuckinfutely nothing at all but death grief and madness for those left behind.

I'm glad the FBI is there today; they need them because the seige went on too long and mistakes were made. Hopefully they can get some training on what to do; and put some SOPs in place for designs in place everywhere for people to go; for shelter. Shelter in place is in effect in many buildings in the USA but elsewhere....they need to start doing the same. There should be signs; for closets etc to shelter in place, with locks on the doors with peep holes so those already inside can see out. There are so many things they could have done yet they didn't act. Now why did the whole building collapse because it does look to me that possibly a bomb was set off. Maybe they had been inside beforehand...and did detonate. I dk yet. But I have a lot of quesitons!

 

[trigger]

http://screen.yahoo.com/fbi-agents-join-kenya-mall-132304617-cbs.html

After viewing this video I wonder if they had been in the mall before it opened and had it rigged somehow. How they think that the killers got away is beyond me. I'm glad the FBI is there; boots on the ground. It seems they have little exp in the way of Law Enforcement. Many mistakes were made imo.

Oh I definitely agree, they must have been in the mall before, storing their weapons. That is what I thought, when it went on so long. On your video, they said they possibility rented a room in the mall but won't say until investigation, forensics are completed.


I read this...Interior Minister Joseph Ole Lenku said forensic experts from the U.S., Israel, Britain, Germany and Canada are all taking part in trying to reconstruct the scene at the mall. He said results would not be ready before a week's time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/25/fbi-kenya-mall-attack_n_3991526.html