KS - Caleb Schwab, 10, dies on 17-story Schlitterbahn waterpark slide, Aug 2016

Oh my gosh!!! Glad I can't ride roller coasters anymore!! (Back issues)


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Interesting that earlier reports of this latest fall have been scrubbed of the child's age. When I read this news on Google this morning, they were reporting he is 3.

ETA wish I'd thought to make a screen shot. But I remember it distinctly because I thought to myself "who lets a three year old on a roller coaster?"
 
I don’t think that information has been released. But some are claiming that the riders were obviously well below the required weight.

How much do you want to bet that the purported scales at the bottom and top of the ride were not confiscated after Caleb's death?
 
This is just my opinion. If i read correctly Upthread, Kansas has a cap on the amount of liability a company is responsible for. For some reason, $300,000 sticks in my mind.

This amount is a slap in the face when a life has been lost! For that matter, in today's society, this amount is peanuts for any damage people suffered from being injured physically or mentally from this horrific water slide incident.

While money does not compensate for a life, a company acknowledging the reasons for building this dangerous ride in Kansas was due to their slack laws on liability and building requirements (similar words), needs a stiff punishment! As US citizens, how do we stop repetitive abuses such as this?

My hope is that Caleb's parents will shut this ride down and stop further duplications of it as part of their settlement. We all know there will be major law suits. If it is true that their compensation is limited, let each party go after the owners and developers for allowing dangerous rides / attractions in their parks.

Personally, I hope this case goes to court, civil or criminal. Not that I believe it will.
 
It was built in 1938?!?!?!?!?


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This is just my opinion. If i read correctly Upthread, Kansas has a cap on the amount of liability a company is responsible for. For some reason, $300,000 sticks in my mind.

This amount is a slap in the face when a life has been lost! For that matter, in today's society, this amount is peanuts for any damage people suffered from being injured physically or mentally from this horrific water slide incident.

While money does not compensate for a life, a company acknowledging the reasons for building this dangerous ride in Kansas was due to their slack laws on liability and building requirements (similar words), needs a stiff punishment! As US citizens, how do we stop repetitive abuses such as this?

My hope is that Caleb's parents will shut this ride down and stop further duplications of it as part of their settlement. We all know there will be major law suits. If it is true that their compensation is limited, let each party go after the owners and developers for allowing dangerous rides / attractions in their parks.

The $300K cap is for non-economic damages, i.e. pain and suffering, mental anguish.

https://www.thebarplan.com/jbordeau/

Punitive damages in Kansas have a different cap.

In some cases, a court does more than try to just compensate an injury victim for his or her loss. A court may award “punitive damages” to punish or discourage conduct that is particularly egregious. Kansas permits punitive damages if it is shown by “clear and convincing” evidence that the wrongdoers conduct was “wanton, willful, fraudulent or malicious.” While punitive damages can be the largest component of a damage award in cases where they are awarded, Kansas law imposes a cap on punitive damages. Punitive damages in Kansas are limited to the lesser of the defendant’s highest annual gross income from any of the prior 5 years unless the court deems this inadequate. If the court finds this to be inadequate, a jury may award up to 50% of the defendant’s net worth or $ 5,000,000. If a court finds the defendant’s profits exceed or should exceed these limits, then the award may be up to 1.5 times the company’s profit. When the defendant is a large company that manufactures a defective product or defective drug, punitive damages can be enormous even with these limits.
http://www.warnerlawoffices.com/blo...sonal-injury-cases-explained-by-kansas-person

"In Kansas, punitive damages are awarded to punish the wrongdoer for his malicious, vindictive or willful and wanton invasion of another’s rights, with the ultimate purpose being to restrain and deter others from the commission of similar wrongdoings.” Folks v. Kansas Power and Light Co., 243 Kan. 57, Syl. No. 6, 755 P.2d 1319 (1988).

Although the statute speaks in terms of “willful conduct, wanton conduct, fraud or malice,” Kansas courts have generally recognized that gross negligence falls within the scope of these terms. See, e.g., Trendel v. Rogers, 24 Kan.App.2d 938, 942, 955 P.2d 150 (1998)(citing Tetuan v. A.H. Robins Co., 241 Kan. 441, 481, 738 P.2d 1210 (1987))(“punitive damages may be awarded whenever the elements of fraud, malice, gross negligence, or oppression arise in a dispute”). A finding of gross negligence is generally characterized by knowledge or awareness of the danger associated with negligent conduct.

Kansas courts have also recognized that reckless disregard provides a sufficient basis to impose punitive damages. Specifically, Kansas courts have recognized that a “wanton act” is “[a]n act performed with a realization of the imminence of danger and reckless disregard or complete indifference to the probable consequences of the act.” Cerretti v. Flint Hills Rural Elec. Co-op. Assn., 251 Kan. 347, 367, 837 P.2d 330 (1992). In other words, a wanton act is “something more than ordinary negligence but less than a willful act. It must indicate a realization of the imminence of danger and a reckless disregard and indifference to the consequences.” Id. at 368.

Taken together, these authorities indicate that reckless disregard or grossly negligent conduct is sufficient to support imposition of punitive damages. Thus, if the defendant acted negligently, and is aware, or should be aware, of the danger associated with such negligent conduct, then the defendant’s conduct may be characterized as grossly negligent and will provide a basis for the imposition of punitive damages. Similarly, if a defendant acts with reckless disregard for whether his or her actions will pose a danger to others, then his conduct is wanton and will be sufficient to support the imposition of punitive damages.

BBM

http://www.johnsoncountywrongfuldeath.com/punitive_damages_in_kansas__missouri

That last link also covers one of the barriers for a judgement including punitive damages in Kansas.

Hard to know or say at this juncture, but I will not be surprised if counsel for the parents of the child killed at Schlitterbahn seek punitive damages in a wrongful death suit. MOO.

Counsel retained by the parents per the Kansas City Star.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article94371692.html

http://bflawfirm.com/michael-rader

http://bflawfirm.com/edward-chip-robertson-jr

http://bflawfirm.com
 
Personally, I hope this case goes to court, civil or criminal. Not that I believe it will.

If we have any engineers on here, they can probably speak about all the technical, logistics, angles, etc. of this slide and if there are any glaring errors in its design.

Again, my opinion only, I believe when the lawyers bring in the professional engineers to review this design, it will be overwhelmingly full of design faults.

The fact that once it was built and performed nowhere to its expectation shows a major design flaw! It was then "band-aid" to the point of being useable.

The management company and developers know that if this case goes to court, they have lost - and big time! They will settle out of court. They may get to the courthouse steps, ready to go to trial, but they will settle.This is a biggie with too many people suing them.

My opinions only.
 
FactFinder 12 got nearly 200 pictures an inspector took during an inspection of Schlitterbahn June 7.

Of the nearly 200 pictures, more than 30 are of the Verruckt slide or areas surrounding the slide. They show the rafts including the straps that several people have complained about. They also show equipment that make the ride work as well as safety signs posted around the ride.

The safety signs describe a weight requirement of 400-550 pounds per raft, which consists of two or three people. They also have a height requirement and what appears to be a prior age requirement that has been covered up.

The pictures give us an idea of part of what investigators are looking at as they determine what happened Sunday at Schlitterbahn in Kansas City. The investigation is ongoing.

The Kansas Department of Labor requested several documents from Schlitterbahn August 9 with a deadline of August 10. The requests included the current certification of an inspector's qualifications to inspect amusement rides, the current signed certificate of inspection, the maintenance and inspection records and results of nondestructive testing.

More:
http://www.kwch.com/content/news/FF...s-liability-questions-answered-389926742.html
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5j1g3f_W6uQ

This video of the ten longest/tallest/scariest water slides was enlightening.
This one is included (the tallest only by a small margin).

When compared to the other 9 this clearly is not as safe or well thought out.
I think there is clearly a reason the other slides are designed differently.
I don't like water slides or amusement parks so I'm not well versed in them.
 
I grew up about 40 min from Idlewild Park and never went there. I'm probably one of the few kids in the surrounding areas who never did. My family did not go to amusement parks. I used to feel I was missing out, but in truth I don't like heights or adrenaline-inducing things. Never been on a roller coaster & never will. That said, those old wooden coasters are inspected constantly, like monthly. Besides, a 3 yr old taken on a roller coaster? WTH were the parents thinking?
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5j1g3f_W6uQ

This video of the ten longest/tallest/scariest water slides was enlightening.
This one is included (the tallest only by a small margin).

When compared to the other 9 this clearly is not as safe or well thought out.
I think there is clearly a reason the other slides are designed differently.
I don't like water slides or amusement parks so I'm not well versed in them.

Did anyone else notice duct tape on the raft in the video of this death trap slide????


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I don’t think that information has been released. But some are claiming that the riders were obviously well below the required weight.

Yes, there was some excuse that the scales were malfunctioning at the time. At this point, I wonder if that's even true. And, I thought I read that they weighed them below before they ever went up the stairs to the ride. No ?
 
What caused the Velcro not to work isn't the point, the point is it didn't work, it didn't hold. IOW, it's inappropriate and inadequate as a restraint system on this ride.


Good grief---I simply responded to the misconception that velcro when wet will not adhere---nothing more. I never said it was the point of anything, nor that it was appropriate or adequate.
 
Did anyone else notice duct tape on the raft in the video of this death trap slide????


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Yes but the duct tape I saw was all for holding cameras in place, it had nothing to do with the safety or operation of the raft.
 
Good grief---I simply responded to the misconception that velcro when wet will not adhere---nothing more. I never said it was the point of anything, nor that it was appropriate or adequate.

Rocco, you've made an excellent statement here all on your own. This discussion as far as I've read so far, wasn't a think tank created to come up with a "Point". What you have clearly stated is in fact the truth. The velcro/hook and loop and fastener closures will still work even when wet.
 
Yes I meant to add that. The duct tape was holding the GoPro camera in place.

Yes but the duct tape I saw was all for holding cameras in place, it had nothing to do with the safety or operation of the raft.
 
Personally, I hope this case goes to court, civil or criminal. Not that I believe it will.


Why wouldn't it?

If my son was decapitated riding a water slide; by the time I was done with them, I'd own the park and burn it to the ground, I'd sue them so hard they would cry for their mamas. I'd bankrupt them and take their houses, I'd go after the designers of the ride, the raft makers, and whoever came up with that metal netting. I'd sue the building inspectors and anyone else that was even close to this whole project.

I wouldn't stop until bronze statues of me were erected in town square for the absolute judicial and financial h*ll I would inflict on the people who created this freak show all for their own financial gain.

The high school history books would have to be re-written so that my name would appear next to Genghis Khan's as one of the most ruthless creators of pure mayhem the court system had ever seen. The BANKS would change their name to mine in my honor.

THAT is how much I completely loathe and disdain what has happened here. Here we have a bunch of wannabe designers that found a loop hole in their ability to create a waterpark by designing the thing through 'consultation' with the people that really should have been designing it.

ALL of the talk about , "Oh well you know it passed inspection in June, it was safe." OBVIOUSLY NOT because a little boy is dead.

There is absolutely NO excuse for what happened there to that little boy. Zero. The obligation of safety is squarely on the people who built and signed off on that thing, period.
 
What caused the Velcro not to work isn't the point, the point is it didn't work, it didn't hold. IOW, it's inappropriate and inadequate as a restraint system on this ride.


BBM

I completely disagree. This is an open discussion about the whole situation and if we are ever going to LEARN from this tragic event, you can bet your bottom dollar that there had better be a discussion about WHY the velcro/hook and loop fasteners were a possible factor in this.

To that end has there been anything released stating this as a fact? Is there a statement from anyone announcing that the velcro fasteners are what caused this? I don't think so. Is the investigation then over on this matter? I'd love to read the final report that says it was the velcro fasteners.
 

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