Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #12 *Arrest*

[WillenFan21]

2 pm? I think you are confusing your time. The affidavit had Emily at OG closer to 5 pm.


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yep I fixed my post. Sorry guys!

 

[Paddleboarder]

Ah okay! Thank you! All of this info I'm trying to remember it all.

I’m going to have to make a flow chart soon!


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[WillenFan21]

I’m going to have to make a flow chart soon!


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Omg please do! I can't keep up with all of it. I was just thinking it would be nice to have all the VI info into one post or document to go over it all and keep up with it.

 

[Paddleboarder]

So it’s possible that the landlord was in fact stopping by to verify the cat was gone.

MOO.


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It’s what I would do.


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[ScarlettLin]

Omg please do! I can't keep up with all of it. I was just thinking it would be nice to have all the VI info into one post or document to go over it all and keep up with it.

I spent time writing down what we know as facts and it surprisingly was longer than I expected!


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[RoyalsGal8]

yep I fixed my post. Sorry guys!

I saw you correct above.

O/T but my tapatalk app updated and it is SO slow. Every time I post I realize someone said the exact same thing as me 5 minutes prior. Super frustrating. So sorry if I sound annoying/repetitive!!


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[ESO]

My theory is that whatever happened to Lucas happened after/around bedtime on Thursday evening or early Friday morning. I think EG reported him to be last seen wearing a pull-up because that actually is the last thing she saw him wearing and the truth would be easier to remember than if she were to make up different clothing. I don’t believe that he was napping at any point Friday or Saturday. VI stated that he doesn’t take naps when he’s with them and her account of the afternoon nap “as usual” during her interview clearly doesn’t match with her and daughter not napping during that same time frame when they went to OG on Friday. All that leads me to believe it happened sometime around bedtime or early morning before he would have changed out of the pull-up. I think the cleaning on Friday may be related and smoking in the garage perhaps to calm her down. Unfortunately I don’t think he was alive when she took her daughter to OG. I think she either returned home and went out late/middle of the night to dispose of him while it was dark OR she had someone helping her while she was at OG.

Just throwing that theory out there. MOO

The pull-up thing has always bothered me. When was the last time you read a missing person’s description of what they are wearing where they discuss what kind of underwear they have on?


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[chihuahua]

I think we’re all in the same boat. A very frustrated boat... I guess the question is what are we going to do about it?! I personally need to redirect my focus back to the facts we currently have. Unfortunately it’s not a whole lot at the moment. However, I think if we stepped outside the box and looked at what we do have we can find something that might help. (Slightly challenging now that we are to the 12th thread...) Someone said something yesterday that hit me hard - if you have to question what you’re posting - walk away for 10 min and think abt it. If you still question it you probably shouldn’t post it.

Here’s the reality of current events in Wichita. Unfortunately, starting tomorrow the focus is going to be off of Lucas and I’m terrified he will get lost in the shuffle. The NCAA tournament starts in Wichita tomorrow with KU playing. If you’ve never been here you’d understand why that’s a big deal. Lol.

If we can’t search locally we can still post to every outlet possible to keep the momentum. If you can search coordinate with Henry privately on some new areas. If anyone has our backs with maps it’s Henry & GigTu!

We are a smart, talented, resourceful bunch. We’ve got this. We all want the same thing. Bring Lucas home. ❤️

Don’t worry. I’m done. Stepping of the box and starting at Thread #1. [emoji6]


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I want to thank you what you have done trying to help Lucas. We are all frazzled and confused and searching for answers. The only way I can deal with it is to listen to soothing music while I'm on this thread and even then I have to walk away and let the computer just go blank.
Prayers, thoughts and wishes fill my mind for all of you. For FLA and the others who knew and loved Lucas.
:no: This is just so very unfair to him.
Godspeed to all and hope some of you can get some sleep.Lucas:candle: :candle: :candle:
:moo:

 

[Mamabearto2boys]

He hasn't napped with our side of the family in years. It's impossible to get him to lay down for a nap.

Also, I feel comfortable sharing that he goes to preschool in the PM. The altercation that Lucas's mom and Emily had outside of his school in December occurred in the afternoon, so there's proof that he attends PM prek. If anyone has a link to an article that includes the police report of the altercation that would be awesome.

If he goes to school in the afternoon then how does he also take a nap at this time? In her interview, she made it seem like they always lay down for an afternoon nap.

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Thank you again for that info!

Here’s a link to a report that speaks of the Dec 6th incident:

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article201455644.html

And then the specifics:
https://spotcrime.com/mobile/crime/?100311873-561ab8d5c93e5644962475911cee4040

Beech Elementary is located at 1830 S. Cyprus St.

(If this link isn’t considered a valid source, please l of t me know and I’ll delete ASAP)

 

[LietKynes]

The pull-up thing has always bothered me. When was the last time you read a missing person’s description of what they are wearing where they discuss what kind of underwear they have on?


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RSBM

Maybe that's ALL he was wearing ?
Is it possible he was put outdoors for the night -- in only the pull ups -- as a punishment... and sometime during the night-- he died of hypothermia ?

 

[I'm their mom]

Did I read somewhere that EG went back to get the cat?

 

[WildcatRunner]

The focus should be on the dark hours of Friday evening and Saturday morning.

Focus should be on the time after OG.

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Is there a way we can include this message at the start of the new threads, with the other key info?

 

[MsGazette]

I don't know about anyone else but I get a bad feeling about this. What if she had locked him in something so he couldn't leave. You know how we hear of those cases of a child being locked in a cages or closets etc.

That’s why I keep asking about if the house was thoroughly searched. Like every nook and cranny. I guess they had the dogs in there? I’m not sure if that rules things out completely.


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[WillenFan21]

Okay so I have another theory about what could have happened to him and I am sorry in advance bc this is hard to type out. It slipped my mind about him being sick for two weeks. I can't believe I forgot about that. I apologize in advance if this hard to read.

Paddleboarder speficailly made it a note a few threads ago to point out that Lucas been extremely ill for the two weeks before he went missing. Infact she stressed on this big time. I wonder if by Friday afternoon he was so sick that he wasn't physically able to leave his bed .EG knew that he was nearing his death so she smoked bowls of weed to calm her nerves, got the munchies from it, and just left him there in bed when she and the 1 year old went to Olive Garden. If it was indeed the landlord who stopped by that evening then they'd have searched the whole house for that cat. The landlord or whoever stopped by sees him in his bed (or where ever he was at), assumed that he was just sleeping, and then left. Then later in the dark evening hours-morning hours of Saturday Lucas passes away and EG immediately disposed of the body. This could explain why Lucas was in a pull up also. He would have not been able to go on the bathroom on his own so she was putting pull ups on him. IDK


ETA: Grabbed this from another thread to go along with my theory above. This is where Paddleboarder stressed about him being really sick.

Without going into details, we really need to have the land owners check their properties if at all possible. There have been 2 articles about the request, but it needs to happen soon.

The family has had a very rough 24 hours. As you can imagine, in situations like this people reach a breaking point - especially with all of the negativity targeting the family.

We’re going to talk to the family again in the morning. It looks like I may be heading to Wichita soon.

From a sleuthing standpoint, I would focus on late Friday afternoon into the early morning hours of Saturday. Lucas would have been transported when it was dark outside.

Lucas had been sick for close to two weeks before he “went missing.” He had a stomach bug the first week and had been very sick. I would imagine his already fragile 45 pound body would have been in a much more compromised state.

Tim was correct when he compared EG to Casey Anthony. I’ve been thinking of Casey’s actions and patterns of behavior - I even watched a show about the case today.

I’ll check back in tomorrow. Thanks for your excellent posts!

 

[ESO]

I am so grateful to have had the opportunity to search with professionals today! Tim and Equusearch should write a book, or how to search for dummies. Those who do go out and search, take a big stick with you is the best piece of advice I can give.


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[liltexans]

Is there a way we can include this message at the start of the new threads, with the other key info?

Yes, I can add it to the next thread.

It can also be added as a post to the Media, Maps, and Timeline thread for this case at any time.

 

[kidetect22]

Okay so I have another theory about what could have happened to him and I am sorry in advance bc this is hard to type out. It slipped my mind about him being sick for two weeks. I can't believe I forgot about that. I apologize in advance if this hard to read.

Paddleboarder speficailly made it a note a few threads ago to point out that Lucas been extremely ill for the two weeks before he went missing. Infact she stressed on this big time. I wonder if by Friday afternoon he was so sick that he wasn't physically able to leave his bed .EG knew that he was nearing his death so she smoked bowls of weed to calm her nerves, got the munchies from it, and just left him there in bed when she and the 1 year old went to Olive Garden. If it was indeed the landlord who stopped by that evening then they'd have searched the whole house for that cat. They see him in his bed (or where ever he was at), assumed that he was just sleeping, and then left. Then later in the dark evening hours-morning hours of Saturday Lucas passes away and EG immediately disposed of the body. This could explain why Lucas was in a pull up also. He would have not been able to go on the bathroom on his own so she was putting pull ups on him. IDK

Welp completely missed that we had been verified he was sick for two weeks! I kept reading it so speculated there was a tad bit of truth but knew it couldn’t be discussed here unless verified. Do we know what he was sick with ? Had he been to a doctor ?

 

[Paddleboarder]

RSBM

Maybe that's ALL he was wearing ?
Is it possible he was put outdoors for the night -- in only the pull ups -- as a punishment... and sometime during the night-- he died of hypothermia ?

No. I think that when she reported him missing she told them what he was last seen wearing. She has a few days to keep up with social media comments. Many of the comments were questioning why a 5 year old would still wear a pull-up. I think she was just explaining it because she may have thought it made her look like a bad parent. MOO


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[WildcatRunner]

I hope our 2 VI's and our boots on the ground people are getting much needed rest. So much stress being in that situation, FLA and family especially. Make sure you all take care of yourselves too, please!

 

[ESO]

I don't know for sure. Wouldn't that be newsworthy? Is that just how kake cut their footage maybe?

Either way, the folks in the gallery react quite a bit to her leaving.

She gets up around 1:24 in this link if for some reason I'm not the last one to check it out.

http://www.kake.com/clip/14198009/judge-denies-glass-bond-change

No, EG would not be allowed to leave until dismissed. They just spliced the clip together. There is a tunnel that leads from the jail to the courthouse and they are shackled the whole time.


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