Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #15 *Arrest*

[chihuahua]

I continue to have the nagging feeling that there was indeed an unknown person involved after the fact in this case; I don't know why it's just a recurring thought.
I see EG as someone who has many sides to her personality and is a proven liar. She would in my opinion put on a different personality mask to suit her audience.
If it is the case that there is an accomplice then Lucas could be far away and that goes against all statistics.
I go over and over it in my mind and hope that I am wrong because if it was someone that routinely enabled her, then I am afraid that they are not going to ever come forward with the truth because the bond would be so great that they wouldn't come forward.
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[n_6CC]

I think it's a common thing, that when one spouse has a profession that keeps them away from the home for long stretches of time, to have a secret life. I have always thought that EG had a boyfriend. Since we found out about EG leaving Lucas at home to go to OG I have wondered if the purpose of leaving Lucas at home was so she could see her boyfriend. Which leads me to believe that she may have left Lucas home alone often. Imo.

I’m not sold on the “full-time” extra boyfriend. What I can see, is a “friend” that gets High with her, might even like her, and a go-to for drugs when JH is gone. In my mind, there is not a lot of extra money being thrown around in this family- I can expand on that thought if anyone is interested, but companionship, drugs, and someone that always answers the call is my guess. There might even be 2-4 people that fall into this category for her- my guess? All guys. Her best friend may not even know the extent of her activities, unless she/he is a part of the ring as well- If that is the case, and the other friend has kids, I’d be willing to bet the kids know so much- of course, JMO

Edited by me - best friend instead of BF

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[Beth11311]

Exactamundo! Link to homelessness? Or it being said that she was homeless.? If you are referring to what I said about squatting in houses, I can’t link that. That’s personal information from people that I have helped in the past- that is street info with street cred. I’m happy to share more about it- it is crazy and happens more than I EVER knew.


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Yes! I was curious as to whether there were specific articles that discussed EG being homeless, and was just wanting to read more because it fascinates me (and to continue to try to better understand her/get in her head in hopes of brainstorming ideas about where our Lucas is). If I understand correctly though you know about this prior homelessness from something outside of MSM. Before I got sober I lived quite an interesting life, so the homelessness and what you described is pretty familiar to me - but I would always love to hear more! It is truly prevalent and fascinating, when you start looking at it all. I once researched the homeless camps that congregate beneath the Los Angeles river bridges, fascinating, truly.


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[n_6CC]

Yes! I was curious as to whether there were specific articles that discussed EG being homeless, and was just wanting to read more because it fascinates me (and to continue to try to better understand her/get in her head in hopes of brainstorming ideas about where our Lucas is). If I understand correctly though you know about this prior homelessness from something outside of MSM. Before I got sober I lived quite an interesting life, so the homelessness and what you described is pretty familiar to me - but I would always love to hear more! It is truly prevalent and fascinating, when you start looking at it all. I once researched the homeless camps that congregate beneath the Los Angeles river bridges, fascinating, truly.


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I will go back and try to find the post, but I believe it was a VI that stated she was homeless when she met JH- that opened up so much for me in regards to who she might know, and inter workings of that scenario.


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[tnith]

This being said, I asked awhile ago about Emily’s affiliation with the homeless here not too long ago. In the very beginning of this case, it was mentioned that Emily was homeless before meeting and when she met JH. This could also open up a large can of worms. People here, (and you might never even know it) that are on the streets and in the drug scene (pills, meth, heroin), they are known to squat in houses being built, or vacant homes-and not homes in the so-called “hood”. These houses are in the NE side of town and in the upwards of 300,000$ on up. I’m betting she’s got a lot of these types of contacts, and calls on them more than anyone knows. I’m sure LE has vetted any contacts in her phone, but just another question in my mind about her and people she would associate with. I would bet almost anything that the life she led when JH was home, was completely different when he was gone. I wish I knew more about her day to day, Hell, I might even be willing to sit in her pod for a length of time just to figure her out. She has a secret life. I’d bet big money on that one.



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Life on the streets involves a lot more transient 'appearances' at events and destinations, than staying outside, 'squatting' or working the traps (circuit of low end & abandoned housing, empty commercial buildings)- lacks freedom, control of self.
Territories. Homage. Duties.

Trying to stay at 'friend's places, hotels, sleeping in a vehicle, then camping are the primary order of habitation for most expelled 'housies' (people who have homes and do not grasp the lives of those outdoors, reject survivalism and lack of privacy).
Those who adjust to homelessness tend to seek a family unit, travel, camp, abandon modern concepts for older cultural ideals... curiously EG was connected to a certain semi-psychedelic underground there, not especially hiding or living a dual reality that I've found.

Those who are living at street level, primarily outside, are known social presences where they exist (public fixtures, if you will).
Find the service centers that provided options to such a person during such a time, and you will find an entire scope of characters who have the In on this one in particular.

Try churches, nonprofits, agencies that run 'drop in' youth shelters, watch for tribal gatherings if you want to find her social sphere and alliances.

 

[missHardy]

HELP RESEARCH REQUEST!!!!!

Many of you might know about the research I’m doing about past cases similar to Lucas’. I’ve been looking for cases of children “disappearing” under mysterious and questionable circumstances. Some were reported as kidnappings, others weren’t reported at all. I started doing that back when I wasn’t able to do a lot of the physical searching, but now that I am focusing my efforts there, I’m not getting as much research done as I’d like.

Would anyone like to help me with some of this research? I have a list of kids I haven’t started researching yet, I have list who I’ve started, the one’s in process, the incomplete (mainly because I added some criteria I wanted after I had originally finished researching with that child) and the complete ones. I can provide you with the questions to answer and a list of some of my most used resources outside local and national news sources. I’m also open to suggestions of children to add to my list-they don’t have to fit Lucas’ exact criteria, and their bodies don’t even have to be found yet, I’m interested in all kinds of cases because I’m looking for patterns if that make sense. If anyone thinks they might like to take a few names and help me, let me know and I will post my list of kids, my questions to fill out and my resources.

I will warn you it’s a rabbit hole once you start down it! I started this list for one reason but I’m continuing it for another. I’ve also decided to reformat this report so you can see it better, so that’s taking me some time to do but I’m hoping to finish it up in the next few days!

Thank you in advance if you’d like to help! Even if it’s only a child or two, it’s taking me on average 30 min or more to do each child, mainly because I can’t stop reading as much as possible before I move on [emoji849] My pace has slowed wwwwaaayyyy down the more I read!


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I would love to help!

 

[n_6CC]

Life on the streets involves a lot more transient 'appearances' at events and destinations, than staying outside, 'squatting' or working the traps (circuit of low end & abandoned housing, empty commercial buildings)- lacks freedom, control of self.
Territories. Homage. Duties.

Trying to stay at 'friend's places, hotels, sleeping in a vehicle, then camping are the primary order of habitation for most expelled 'housies' (people who have homes and do not grasp the lives of those outdoors, reject survivalism and lack of privacy).
Those who adjust to homelessness tend to seek a family unit, travel, camp, abandon modern concepts for older cultural ideals... curiously EG was connected to a certain semi-psychedelic underground there, not especially hiding or living a dual reality that I've found.

Those who are living at street level, primarily outside, are known social presences where they exist (public fixtures, if you will).
Find the service centers that provided options to such a person during such a time, and you will find an entire scope of characters who have the In on this one in particular.

Try churches, nonprofits, agencies that run 'drop in' youth shelters, watch for tribal gatherings if you want to find her social sphere and alliances.

I’m not of the thought she would “employ” these services. I think it is a case of “squatting” and getting high, then hitting up a couch somewhere- I never asked the person to clarify “homeless” in EG’s case- I feel that she would think she is too good to employ any of the above mentioned resources. This is just my experience with women her age in her situation at the time. MOO.


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[tnith]

I’m not of the thought she would “employ” these services. I think it is a case of “squatting” and getting high, then hitting up a couch somewhere- I never asked the person to clarify “homeless” in EG’s case- I feel that she would think she is too good to employ any of the above mentioned resources. This is just my experience with women her age in her situation at the time. MOO.


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It is not that EG 'used' the services, so much as that the centers would be aware of a portion of her social life.

It is when associating with the most diverse subset of society, one is often near their frequented abodes.
Many have ordinary schedules including an outreach center, either to take advantage of the service or the glut of 'easy customers'.

These workers and volunteers see a good deal of Who hangs out with whom. They know who lurks outside or down the street suspecting nuns as narcs who will turn them and their lifestyle 'in'. They know about the whole ecosystem of people trying to get off the streets, those comfortable in it, and those fighting to maintain and ensure others stay in the street.

Even regular residents of the areas those types traveled on their routines knew who they were, likely as not would recognize EG' face with her typical cohorts.

The idea of EG's 'secret life' exists solely where DHS, family court & her boys are concerned. The rest is 'on everyone else' to fill in and support as that was her way regarding how society saw her.

 

[Yellow Rose]

Checking in on my handsome Lucas! I’ve been sharing on FB too and really need to bring this darling boy home. Please Lord.

 

[margarita25]

Dept of Transportation Workers...have been known to find bodies before...if Lucas is just off the side of the road...roadside landscaping/maintenance...Jessica...(sleep talking...had to get out of bed to post this)

Kansas DOT
http://www.ksdot.org/

 

[GigTu]

I want to clarify as well, that a “secret life” doesn’t have to consist of being a completely different person when a loved one is around. It could very well look like this:
“ My husband is going to be in town for the next week so I’ll talk to you in about a week”, or muting phone calls from anyone that the person wouldn’t speak to during a time with others around, or downplaying their drug involvement while loved ones are around, or ( this is more applicable probably) just going “off the grid” so to speak for 10 days- easy peasy. And picking up later as most of these types do- there is never a day to day communication- it is an “I have a need to fulfill”, it’s done, so bye bye till I need you again. Or needs the company to do what she needs to do, then gets rid of them because they served a purpose- someone to get high with, feel good, then out the door they go with all the guilt and shame she might feel- out of sight, out of mind.
JMO- Unfortunately I’ve had the opportunity to try to help people like this, and it never works-mainly because they are not totally strung out, live somewhat of a normal life from time to time, and always end up back in the same place. They repeat the same motions- no matter how far in between “their normalcy”. What are Emily’s routines? Who knows her day to day when JH isn’t there? Who is the first person she calls, when no-one that gives her a sense of security is around? If JH doesn’t know this, she has a secret world unknown to even her loved ones. I’m not just talking about best friends, but the “others” per say.


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You just described a narcissist. In this case, her energy source would be homeless contacts.

It's definitely something to look in to. I find the timing of your train of thought curious on the perimeter, but I'm glad you brought it up.

There in Wichita, what does the homeless community look like in general? Where ecactly do they frequent/commune? How often do they roam the streets of neighborhoods such as S Edgewood? Do they have access to vehicles? If EG had help, what does "help" look like if someone has no transportation options? For example, should neighbors of vacant homes be peeking over fences to look for ground disturbances in neighboring back yards?

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I have also tried to help people as n_6CC described. They all have stolen from me and in the end I’m the one hurt. People like EG learnmanipulation early, lack empathy and are incapable of love. They each make the choice to live a lifestyle with only themselves at the center. Their only care is what they can get out of you. I might suggest someone call the the electric company. Wichita is civer

 

[chihuahua]

Dept of Transportation Workers...have been known to find bodies before...if Lucas is just off the side of the road...roadside landscaping/maintenance...Jessica...(sleep talking...had to get out of bed to post this)

Kansas DOT
http://www.ksdot.org/

Very good thinking!
I was also thinking about truckers stopped on the side of the road for frequent pee breaks.:blushing: My deceased husband and I were coast to coast years ago and we did it a lot. LOL
The trucking subculture is deep and very connected to what is going on. They spend nights and days on the road with a bunch of time to think and observe.
This is one reason I am so glad they graciously responded at Truckers Missing Child Project and posted Lucas' flyer and info.They don't just travel the main highways believe me.
It went out nationwide to their onboard computers and they aid the search for Lucas since they have a huge heart for kids and are often missing their own little ones while gone for long periods of time.
:loveyou:

 

[Coloradogirl]

I know the VI's cannot comment however I wonder if other leads are being followed other than EG? Is she the SOLE focus of this baby's disappearance ? It is SO frustrating as to why they can't make her TALK.

 

[PommyMommy]

Wear blue this Friday...

"April is Child Abuse Prevention Month, and Attorney General Derek Schmidt asks Kansans to wear blue this Friday to raise awareness for child abuse prevention."

http://www.wibw.com/content/news/Kansas-AG-asks-Kansans-to-raise-awareness-of-child-abuse-478573483.html

 

[chihuahua]

I know the VI's cannot comment however I wonder if other leads are being followed other than EG? Is she the SOLE focus of this baby's disappearance ? It is SO frustrating as to why they can't make her TALK.

I agree it is so frustrating. I don't think she has an incentive to talk as long as Lucas is still missing.
When he is located she is likely to try to pursue a plea deal thru her attorney.
I hope she doesn't get one at that point if there is evidence of obvious homicide or abuse to poor Lucas. If she continues to not help by talking and coming clean, in my opinion that will be too little too late.
I'm sure LE along with the very early involvement in this case by the FBI is using every means possible to find out if EG is the sole focus.
She may have had help after the fact. We just don't know.
But rest assured all of her cell phone records, SM contacts etc have been gone thru.
:moo:

 

[PommyMommy]

Very good thinking!
I was also thinking about truckers stopped on the side of the road for frequent pee breaks.:blushing: My deceased husband and I were coast to coast years ago and we did it a lot. LOL
The trucking subculture is deep and very connected to what is going on. They spend nights and days on the road with a bunch of time to think and observe.
This is one reason I am so glad they graciously responded at Truckers Missing Child Project and posted Lucas' flyer and info.They don't just travel the main highways believe me.
It went out nationwide to their onboard computers and they aid the search for Lucas since they have a huge heart for kids and are often missing their own little ones while gone for long periods of time.
:loveyou:

Rest areas! Do the rest areas there have bulletin boards or anywhere to post flyers? Like here: https://ohioriverparksproject.com/the-parks/rest-area-10-1/

 

[chihuahua]

Rest areas! Do the rest areas there have bulletin boards or anywhere to post flyers? Like here: https://ohioriverparksproject.com/the-parks/rest-area-10-1/

Yes the rest areas usually do and I think Truckers Missing Child Project has covered that. I will check and see they are great.

 

[FindLucasAllen]

I know the VI's cannot comment however I wonder if other leads are being followed other than EG? Is she the SOLE focus of this baby's disappearance ? It is SO frustrating as to why they can't make her TALK.

Either the focus is solely on her or this is a piece of info they're keeping to themselves. Either way, I don't 100% know the answer.

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[Charliegizmo49]

All the search information is now confidential. We don’t post about it because we are under a nondisclosure agreement.

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I don’t know what the nondisclosure says and this is the first time I’ve heard about an official agreement. Can you let me know where it is so I can read it and be sure I don’t violate rules.

Also is anyone calling the local unions to see if they can they can email their union members and ask them to take an extra couple minutes to look around job sites and houses they are doing construction or repairs. Those are a lot of eyes out in the field and probably would happily reply. In the affirmative.

I am not a local and have no authority to do so. In fact it would be good to contact construction company’s, the carpentry union and all the union offices in the phone book and request the same.

My prayers go to everyone this morning. I am among those who wish Lucas to be found. And I hope the local people will choose to begin a tsunami for change in child protective services.


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