Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #15 *Arrest*

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  • #761
For so many reasons, I literally almost just threw up after reading this. I'm not sure how much more reality I can take with comparisons to these cases of abuse. I'm hanging on by a thread. :anguish:

I know. I’m trying hard not to become desensitized about these cases, it’s hard not to get too wrapped up in the abuse and the suffering these kids go thru. The worst are when two people are involved or when all the abuse is focused on one child. Adrian Jones has to be the worst I’ve ever heard of, if you have the stomach for it, look him up.


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  • #762
I know. I’m trying hard not to become desensitized about these cases, it’s hard not to get too wrapped up in the abuse and the suffering these kids go thru. The worst are when two people are involved or when all the abuse is focused on one child. Adrian Jones has to be the worst I’ve ever heard of, if you have the stomach for it, look him up.


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I do not have the stomach for it.
 
  • #763
I'll elaborate a bit..

Emily and co. (family and supporters) are trying their very best to place all blame on Jamie. They've gone as far as saying that Jamie abducted Lucas and killed him. A few have said they truly believe Jamie has him hidden somewhere.

Jamie has proof of where she was on the 16th and 17th as well as the weeks leading up to his disappearance. LE was able to clear her very quickly.

Emily claims that Jamie even had Lucas on Valentine's Day. This is 100% a lie. Jamie provided LE with proof of where she was on Valentine's Day. {There are other details related to Valentine's Day that I desperately want to share}

If I thought for one second that Jamie was involved I would throw her under the bus in a heartbeat. My loyalty lies with Lucas before anyone else in this situation.

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I can bet EG was mad as a hornet she was alone on V day. Right?


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  • #764
I can bet EG was mad as a hornet she was alone on V day. Right?


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Was she?
I'm wondering if she was out VD (evening) without the children. Lucas is the one who could talk, say she left him alone at night which would raise questions as to where she was, with whom, how late. Or........EG had company and Lucas saw. Or both!
 
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Caylee was starting to talk. That was a problem for Casey, uncovering her lies. Lucas was talking and starting to be better understood right? He was telling people EG was hurting him and how right? JH was believing EG's side. Can you imagine if Lucas could now tell JH about other men coming over?
The Valentines Day comments might be what we need to be thinking about. Valentines Day is a special day for some. JH was out of town, 2 days later Lucas is gone.
 
  • #767
The number one tactic a narcissist enacts to take the focus off themselves for their own wrongdoing is to throw shade for the same exact behavior onto someone else. And to avoid feeling guilt the denial runs deep, so deep the narcissist actually believe their own lies. The shame and fear of being seen for who they really are is greater than any other possible emotion, and in desperation will so almost anything to not get exposed.

On the other side, once exposed, anyone who continues to be gaslighted by their lies and manipulations does so voluntarily, and therefore cannot be angry or embarrassed when they realize they've been duped. Sometimes you really do need to trust the advice of others.

Jamie needs to shine it on, somehow. I don't know why she would care eithe, about what a bunch of noodle heads think anyway. She need to focus on keeping Lucas' name out there so she can get closure. *hugs* to Jamie. So sad.
*nodding in agreement*

EG's behavior is textbook gaslighting.

FLA please give my love to JO. I don't know her from adam but if LE has cleared her, that's all I need to know to support her (not that I doubted). I can't even begin to imagine the horror of the situation she's been sucked into.

Drugs are evil.

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Was she?
I'm wondering if she was out VD (evening) without the children. Lucas is the one who could talk, say she left him alone at night which would raise questions as to where she was, with whom, how late. Or........EG had company and Lucas saw. Or both!
Hhmmmm.....

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  • #769
I'll elaborate a bit..

Emily and co. (family and supporters) are trying their very best to place all blame on Jamie. They've gone as far as saying that Jamie abducted Lucas and killed him. A few have said they truly believe Jamie has him hidden somewhere.

Jamie has proof of where she was on the 16th and 17th as well as the weeks leading up to his disappearance. LE was able to clear her very quickly.

Emily claims that Jamie even had Lucas on Valentine's Day. This is 100% a lie. Jamie provided LE with proof of where she was on Valentine's Day. {There are other details related to Valentine's Day that I desperately want to share}

If I thought for one second that Jamie was involved I would throw her under the bus in a heartbeat. My loyalty lies with Lucas before anyone else in this situation.

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Thank you FLA for this confirmation. I say confirmation because it's been apparent to me - for weeks now - that there's a coordinated smear campaign (largely of misinformation) going on on SM, intended to deflect blame for Lucas' disappearance from EG onto JO. It's a pity that the word can't be officially spread that JO's whereabouts have been thoroughly examined and cleared by LE and FBI for the timeframe in question. Still, I doubt that would deter some of them from continuing the kinds of rumors that are out there, even if that information were released by LE themselves.

What little info and insights that you or PB are able to give us are extremely helpful in sifting the wheat from the chaff in terms of facts about Lucas' case. It's useful in keeping us focused on what's important, what truly matters. Which is bringing this sweet boy home.

I can only hope that JO is getting the support she needs to get through this nightmare-ish limbo she must be in right now, not knowing where her child is, or if he's okay.

Just know that we're here for Lucas, and also for you FLA and JO and the extended family who have tried so hard to protect him and love him. PB you're doing so much wonderful work, please take care of yourself and take sanity breaks! To all you gals and guys who are actively searching or contacting groups to send out flyers, spreading the word about Lucas and so on, you're awesome peeps!

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  • #770
Curious, why is this concept curious on the perimeter for you? I mentioned this early on in Lucas' disappearance - It was not received well as probable info at that time. So I moved past it, but makes me wonder more about her co-horts or dealers per say. People she hung out with. Nothing more than that.
The druggie "homeless" community will shack up where ever there is a place to stay. Most have no access to vehicles, but hang out with those that do. There is usually a give and take ion these situations. I provide you this, give me a ride here etc.....
No idea if this is probable in this case, I just brought it to the forefront as it has been on my mind. Just on the off chance she didn't do this herself.
 
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Exactly- MOO, a ping around 29th and Woodlawn-29th Oliver/Hillside would not be the same ping information as OG which is Central and Rock Rd. LE knew about the phone pings near OG in the beginning when she offered up the phone- what is curious to me, is their search location, and the mention of the phone pinging up North in the area of the parks. Was it after 6pm Friday the 16th? That is what we need to know to make this valid. The 45 minute silence of the phone is the most important piece if it can be corroborated- and, where did it ping again when turned on- her house on Edgemoor or the park area. I have used all of my resources to get this particular information and mums the word. Now, there is about a 50 minute spread of time when she used her phone at OG - is that a coincidence? I don’t know- ) (in the very beginning)that the phone pinged up near the parks and went silent for 45 min. With their search efforts up there I have to think there is validity to this- but no info from LE so are we supposed to overlook this info? The time is most crucial but I think according to WS terms we are supposed to overlook this as It has not been corroborated- ughhh


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Thanks for clarifying for me if OG and the park could potentially overlap...and that they likely would not. I will scratch that thought off the brain slate. Haha

Just thinking out loud...
 
  • #773
I'll elaborate a bit..

Emily and co. (family and supporters) are trying their very best to place all blame on Jamie. They've gone as far as saying that Jamie abducted Lucas and killed him. A few have said they truly believe Jamie has him hidden somewhere.

Jamie has proof of where she was on the 16th and 17th as well as the weeks leading up to his disappearance. LE was able to clear her very quickly.

Emily claims that Jamie even had Lucas on Valentine's Day. This is 100% a lie. Jamie provided LE with proof of where she was on Valentine's Day. {There are other details related to Valentine's Day that I desperately want to share}

If I thought for one second that Jamie was involved I would throw her under the bus in a heartbeat. My loyalty lies with Lucas before anyone else in this situation.

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Yes, Emily told JH that Jamie picked up Luke for Valentine’s Day. When he questioned her about the details and times, she vacillated and was unable to give him details and times. Not that it matters, because as FLA stated, Jamie was able to prove to LE that she wasn’t in KS.

(FLA, I know the details you are referring to and am sitting on my hands!!!)
 
  • #774
I never believed jo was invovled. Just can not believe she is that steadfast in her lie. I know there are the haters/trolls. I only see them as such. I believe eg hit too hard, went too far. Lucas and fam paid the price. Jh is delusional in grief.

Moo

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O/T I watched Marcia Clark’s show tonight on Casey Anthony. It was very interesting - I learned facts I’d never heard before. Casey stuck by her original story until the end.
 
  • #775
I wish you could share also This has made me very emotional. I thought that JH was still under the no contact order still . I would think that le would be stoping the groupie support while in jail. I am so sorry for your heart break .

The no contact isn’t applicable to phone conversations.
 
  • #776
Hoping to hear back from Marcia Clark of A&E. She accepted my request...seeing what she can do to pass this along and get help for more national attention for Lucas.
:crossfingers:

Wonderful!
 
  • #777
The number one tactic a narcissist enacts to take the focus off themselves for their own wrongdoing is to throw shade for the same exact behavior onto someone else. And to avoid feeling guilt the denial runs deep, so deep the narcissist actually believe their own lies. The shame and fear of being seen for who they really are is greater than any other possible emotion, and in desperation will so almost anything to not get exposed.

On the other side, once exposed, anyone who continues to be gaslighted by their lies and manipulations does so voluntarily, and therefore cannot be angry or embarrassed when they realize they've been duped. Sometimes you really do need to trust the advice of others.

Jamie needs to shine it on, somehow. I don't know why she would care eithe, about what a bunch of noodle heads think anyway. She need to focus on keeping Lucas' name out there so she can get closure. *hugs* to Jamie. So sad.

I can’t go into details, but JO is being harassed after her personal cell number was posted in a group.
 
  • #778
It seems he is supporting her and ready to welcome her back home.
I thought at first he wanted just to get info from her, but sadly I now suspect he is believing her.
I hope and pray I am wrong about that. :(
:moo:

You’re not wrong
 
  • #779
I can bet EG was mad as a hornet she was alone on V day. Right?


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IF she was alone
 
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