Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #15 *Arrest*

[Paddleboarder]

I don't think Jamie let E.G. get away with the things JH may have. Remember the situation at the school? Jamie knew who E.g. really was, and she couldn't fool her.

Agreed

 

[Paddleboarder]

So was he really seen my LL? If not he's been gone a lot longer


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Yes, he was

 

[chihuahua]

So was he really seen my LL? If not he's been gone a lot longer


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The VI's said he was and I believe them.

 

[n_6CC]

I'm thinking more and more that EG had another man on the side, and Lucas maybe started asking questions as to why he was around so much, and EG knew that it would cause issues. Maybe she snapped after coming back from OG (possibly with the other guy in tow) and realised that the LL had seen Lucas alone in the house and she would be in trouble. If she had someone else with her it would be much easier for them to get rid of Lucas. If she was homeless before I can imagine the last thing she would want is JH knowing she was cheating and throwing her and the baby out and them ending homeless again. JMO

Could she have led Lucas to believe that this person was family? Someone he came to know? Maybe even well? Someone around all the time? OMGOSH-


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[GigTu]

So true- that’s why I think she will do anything to have the immediate family believe her story- by NOT disclosing the info we need. She’d rather die than have them believe she’s a mom. MOO


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I think if they all left her be she'd talk.

From what I've learned, narcissistic behavior is not hereditary, but is a survival tactic adopted as a way to cope after being abused and/or neglected as a child. Abuse is not hereditary, it is a learned behavior brought on by similar abuse as a child. I'm not saying every person in a family who has a narcisstic relative contributed to their ways, and not every child raised by a narcissist grows up to be one. But the chances are high with both. So by exposing a narcissist, you possibly also expose those around them. I remind you that being revealed for who you really are and having all the people you lied to discover the truth is the single greatest fear and must be avoided at all cost. Even to the detriment of a child. "Their truth" is not typically "the truth" (and if you're ever in a conversation with someone who says "my trurh" run away as fast as you can). Again, speaking from experience. In summation, it is my opinion based on experience with a very similar type of dynamic, that a family wouldn't want a relative to talk because it exposes them and makes them look bad. jmo

 

[n_6CC]

Makes me wonder if EG thought about harming JO.

Makes me think we now have 2 people unrelated by blood to Lucas that could have been abusing him- EG and the other person she was hanging with- BLOOD BOILING NOW!!!!!!!
This is all coming together now. Her whole thought process I believe was to stop Lucas from relaying information to his dad about her lies. She won’t talk- hoping this “other person” will- I think this whole charade was premeditated now, where as before I believed it to be accidental on EG’s part.(oh, she abused him, but I was thinking more along the lines of accidental over abuse- not pre meditation)
JH left on the 9th
I think Lucas’s story starts on the 14th-EG tells JH JO picked up Lucas but couldn’t get her story straight on that- where WAS LUCAS?
16th-seen by LL at 5:30
17th- reported missing around 6pm
* Edited by me for clarification of a thought.

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[n_6CC]

If that's the case...WHY is JH still standing by her...she is no prize. I pray JH comes to his senses.

She has him so “fazoogled” (my own word for so conflicted and confused) he probably doesn’t even know what to think- he needs to get his head out of his ARS and wake up! How could you not see through this!


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[Charliegizmo49]

I know I have to be respectful and careful here but I have always questioned in my opinion only the length of time Lucas has truly been missing. To be clear people make honest mistakes and then sometimes are deliberately misled. And like EG TELL FLAT OUT MISTRUTHS. LE will sort it out.

I feel very very sad for Lucas family. By this time they have a pretty good idea who did what and maybe. Who helped who. My intuition and my opinion is that Lucas is going to be located a very far distance from Wichita. I’m pretty sure EG HAD HELP and LE has a good idea who it may have been. It’s sad it has to be a waiting game at this point. My deepest respect for the family who loved and truly cared for Lucas. I’m sorry there is true evil in this world and good innocent people are forced to address it.

 

[n_6CC]

Yes he was really seen by the landlord on the 16th. However, where he was on Valentine's day no one knows.

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Oh good lord almighty- I am sick.
My theory has now changed [emoji817] %- let me gather my thoughts and I will post- my mind is going a million miles a minute, starting with her +1. I stand corrected on my initial thoughts of her NOT having a extra man on the side- I initially perceived the situation to be based on drugs and that was where the extra person came in- Still could be easily drug related but now I think she had a side gig relationship-
Piecing some things together now-


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[seekingtruth79]

I said from the start that I believe it was premeditated and that she had help. With this new info about VD, I believe it even more. IMO EG is a narcissist. Lucas was crimping her lifestyle. What if Lucas said: “I’m telling Daddy!” She couldn’t have that.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

So, IF Emily were to get out of jail, she would be able to return back to the home and JH would be unable to “go home” as per the NCO- not a good scenario!!!


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Yes but REMEMBER ALL JAIL CALLS ARE MOST LIKELY RECORDED AND MONITORED BY CORRECTIONAL Officers Or LAW ENFORCEMENT. another excellent tool. There is a good reason for EG to be where she is and with a single method for communication.

 

[liltexans]

Reminders:

Please, everyone, take a deep breath and think before you post. There is no need to "shout" at other posters. Everyone is angry about EG, but we do not need to take our anger out on other posters here.

It has not been confirmed that EG had help with disappearing Lucas. If she did, in a strange way that might be a good thing for the investigation, because the only way to keep a secret is to keep it completely to yourself. If even one other person was involved in Lucas' disappearance, then there is a chance that the person will talk or otherwise reveal Lucas' location.

Do any sleuthing you wish to on your own, but here on the forum, do not try to sleuth who might have helped EG. Again, we do not have official confirmation that she had help and we do not have a name for a potential accomplice at this point.

 

[n_6CC]

Yes but REMEMBER ALL JAIL CALLS ARE MOST LIKELY RECORDED AND MONITORED BY CORRECTIONAL IFFICERS IR LAW ENFIRCEMENT. another excellent tool. There is a good reason for EG to be where she is and with a single method for communication.

Yes, her jail calls are monitored- I just wanted to note that IF she did bond out, and JH was away at work, she could enter that home and stay there while JH would be unable to return back to the house with her there. I think it is an important fact to note, not that it will happen, but there is a chance she could be left alone, in the home where Lucas disappeared- that could be one reason she is desperate to go back to the house- hide evidence, of any is there- also to not be monitored (phone calls)obviously .


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[n_6CC]

So, Id assume someone close to her, a girlfriend, would know her side life? I have never ever known a person that had an affair and didn’t tell at least 1 friend. MOO


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[Kuyluc2764]

I know I have to be respectful and careful here but I have always questioned in my opinion only the length of time Lucas has truly been missing. To be clear people make honest mistakes and then sometimes are deliberately misled. And like EG TELL FLAT OUT MISTRUTHS. LE will sort it out.

I feel very very sad for Lucas family. By this time they have a pretty good idea who did what and maybe. Who helped who. My intuition and my opinion is that Lucas is going to be located a very far distance from Wichita. I’m pretty sure EG HAD HELP and LE has a good idea who it may have been. It’s sad it has to be a waiting game at this point. My deepest respect for the family who loved and truly cared for Lucas. I’m sorry there is true evil in this world and good innocent people are forced to address it.

If you are referring to the fact that the LL seen Lucas on the 16th possibly being mistaken, I don't think so. For one, our VI's have continuously told us that this is true. Also, while it could be possible for someone, like the LL, to get dates wrong, I don't think that is likely in this instance. EG had only been living at that house for 9 days on Feb. 16th. If they moved in on the 7th, which was a Wednesday, there would only be two Fridays to choose from, both would be days that someone would remember. For example, the first Friday, which was the 9th of Feb. would be memorable because it was immediately after they moved in. The next Friday is the only other Friday that they lived in the house and it was the day before Lucas came up missing. Logically it doesn't make sense for the LL to mix the days up unless the guy has Alzheimer's. So I think it's safe to say that there is a less then 24 hour time period for Lucas's disappearance.

As for Valentine's day, I wonder if EG dropped Lucas off at the park by himself? Maybe that's where the tip came from? Maybe someone remembered seeing Lucas at the park that day and called it in. I don't put it past EG to do something like that.

 

[DakotaMayi]

If you are referring to the fact that the LL seen Lucas on the 16th possibly being mistaken, I don't think so. For one, our VI's have continuously told us that this is true. Also, while it could be possible for someone, like the LL, to get dates wrong, I don't think that is likely in this instance. EG had only been living at that house for 9 days on Feb. 16th. If they moved in on the 7th, which was a Wednesday, there would only be two Fridays to choose from, both would be days that someone would remember. For example, the first Friday, which was the 9th of Feb. would be memorable because it was immediately after they moved in. The next Friday is the only other Friday that they lived in the house and it was the day before Lucas came up missing. Logically it doesn't make sense for the LL to mix the days up unless the guy has Alzheimer's. So I think it's safe to say that there is a less then 24 hour time period for Lucas's disappearance.

As for Valentine's day, I wonder if EG dropped Lucas off at the park by himself? Maybe that's where the tip came from? Maybe someone remembered seeing Lucas at the park that day and called it in. I don't put it past EG to do something like that.

I can't stress this enough and I can't understand why we are still questioning this? We have our window.

 

[sassyantique]

Here is where our work begins WS’ers- this would be so vital!!!!!!


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Im hoping that le knows the answer to this question and its just info they havent shared with the public. I would also think they would be telling JH that they have proven almost everything she has said is a lie.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

Yes, her jail calls are monitored- I just wanted to note that IF she did bond out, and JH was away at work, she could enter that home and stay there while JH would be unable to return back to the house with her there. I think it is an important fact to note, not that it will happen, but there is a chance she could be left alone, in the home where Lucas disappeared- that could be one reason she is desperate to go back to the house- hide evidence, of any is there- also to not be monitored (phone calls)obviously .


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by this time law enforcement and the FBI would have thoroughly search the house, the car and the apartment. If anything they probably erred in the side of caution and perhaps removed an excessive amount.

The people who know where he is are not smarter than the highly trained members OF LE AND THE FBI. These people are highly trained and explore every option.

At the beginning they were forced to consider that EG was truthful. Obviously when looking into her story they found inconsistencies that made them consider she was less than truthful. And at that point, which appeared pretty early in this investigation they looked for any reason to arrest her and keep her secure.

There are are many cases where it’s difficult to prove a case. It takes one tip or one comment to unravel everything. That might be what LE IS WAITing for now.

IMO EG might not be safe if she’s bonded out. Who knows what can happen. IF she’s involved in bad things and bad people coupled with lies or inconsistencies some bad people might be angry with her for bringing attention to them. THIS IS MY OPINION. it’s a very small part of this. If she ever sees freedom rest be assured for a definite period of time she will be monitored very close. Statistics reveal that child abusers, even the accused are among the most reviled people in their community.

There is is a lot of information LE is keeping confidential. But their single goal is to bring anyone who harmed LITTLE LUCAS to justice. With or without locating him. And I have no doubt they will.

I am making a point to use carefully chosen language specifically keeping in mind the family who may in fact be reading these posts. I wish I was closer, I’ve suggested some things I hope that have given them ideas to help. There are so many people who care. And many want changes to the system and want Lucas to be the last child to suffer.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

If there is a relationship by now LE would know. And that might be the case. They are holding what they do know close.

My question is who might it be? An acquaintance? Someone providing information to LE to throw off the investigation? Dealer? Someone she did business with? I have an idea but don’t feel good about sharing inthe post in the event I’m not correct.

Im comfortable enough with LE that they have a good handle on this case and are doing their best.

 

[Steelslady]

I think Valentine's day is a significant piece of the puzzle. EG lied to JH about Lucas's whereabouts on VD, said JO had him. There is a strong reason for this.
Then leaving him alone and going to OG 2 days later.
EG needed Lucas to not know things, not tell things to JH.
I think whatever she was up to was important enough to hide from JH that she needed to make sure Lucas couldn't tell him.
This sounds like another man or men or a business JH would not approve of.

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/St...pear-in-court-Monday-afternoon-475174883.html


"A majority of the time when he had gotten hurt and ended up with bruises, he wasn't under my care because I would send him off with my cousins

It also gives me pause about her claiming that the bruises came from when she sent him to her cousins. Blaming them, of course, for his bruises, but......how often did she" send Lucas away" with these cousins and why? Did she keep the baby with her, or did she go, too? Did he go to the cousins house for Valentine's Day while she had her own fun? If so, why lie and claim JO had him that day? If not the cousins, then where was he really?

Also, why would this be significant to his being missing four days later, especially since it is confirmed that the landlord saw him the day before when EG was out at Olive Garden with the baby? Why is this important? Let's just say for one moment, he did go with his bio Mom for the day on Valentine's Day- what exactly does that prove, especially since he went missing three days later? Obviously, she's trying to set up JO as being around that area when he went missing, but doesn't she realize that she was going to get caught in this lie? Some of us know another lie that was spread around about that day, which is another impossible scenario- so there's two lies told from the same family.