Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #16 *Arrest*

[chihuahua]

About the 911 call and how they are found to be false:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/201304/lying-murder-and-deceptive-911-
Snippet:
{[FONT=&amp]On the other hand, [/FONT]researchers(link is external)[FONT=&amp] who analyzed 100 emergency phone calls found that fake 911 callers tended to distance themselves from their victims.}
[/FONT]{[FONT=&amp]Their choice of words (I have a baby and she’s not breathing; Help me! My father’s been murdered!) tends to suggest that the problem is the [/FONT]victim[FONT=&amp] rather than the victim’s [/FONT]medical condition or injury.}
Victim Blaming like EG saying the other cousins/kids/etc were responsible for Lucas' bruises
{[FONT=&amp]The [/FONT]goals[FONT=&amp] of deceptive versus genuine 911 callers are different. One is to start the cover story that will hopefully [/FONT]persuade[FONT=&amp] the audience of his innocence; the other is to get immediate medical attention for a wounded loved one.}
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Just more food for thought...:thinking:
:moo:

 

[chihuahua]

Now someone has taken the bait...the description bolded in my earlier post is of Malignant Narcissist from the Wikipedia page on NPD.

And the final few words on that description "potentially suicidal or homicidal"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

It does also mention similarities to psychopathic and that it can be hard to tell the difference.

I only got there because I looked at the pregnancy psychosis thing earlier and it said that it can occur for people who have conditions like NPD, but the psychosis seems very disorganized and people seem unlikely to plan or hide a body or even lie about what they've done...really tragic cases included in that category.

It's just scary how, from what little we know, Malignant Narcissist or psychopath don't seem too far out of the realm of possibility? And I think someone with some of those traits might well plan something like this in their mind and carry out the plan...

I absolute agree with this, but I think she unfortunately wasn't just a psychopath and narcissist when she was pregnant or postpartum.
:moo:

 

[krkrjx]

I have mixed feelings about JH. He knew, or should have known, that things were not ideal at home but possibly he could not find adequate employment in the area. And you know if he was an unemployed dad people would be taking potshots at him for that.

The biggest issue for me whenever I try to cut him some slack is that where your kids are concerned, there is no margin for error. They have to be kept out of harm's way as much as is humanly possible.

I realize I am looking at this situation with hindsight but I think I would rather see an unemployed parent on some sort of assistance and food stamps than one who leaves his kids for long periods of time with a GF known to have a volatile temper. I can't really walk in his shoes but I can say with certainty that I would flip burgers at McDonald's for minimum wage if it was the only way I could be near my children, especially kids so young. I can say that with certainty because it's exactly what I did when I had to make the choice.

 

[hsprinkel]

Attention paddleborder and fla...

How did you find out about pregnancy? Does jh know?

I understand if you have " no comment"

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[Mistree]

Can we discuss Klein investigations???

I alerted a mod to ask

ETA: see what happens when I don’t read back first, my post makes my guilt incredibly obvious!:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

 

[chihuahua]

JH sure knows about EG being pregnant now and possibly (probably knew) she was pregnant as soon as she did.
That was just what she wanted and also the final trigger for her to "disappear" her abused little problem child Lucas.:gaah:
EG tell the truth. Tell where Lucas is. You owe it to that child and to his family!
If anyone out there reading this helped her, you should go straight to the WPD and tell the true facts.
There's still time for you to do the right thing.
Always.
:moo:

 

[Mistree]

Well that’s interesting. Isn’t this the same PI firm that is investigating Michael Chambers’ disappearance? If it is, they seem to be a legitimate firm.

Deorr Kunz!

 

[Jewels53]

Well that’s interesting. Isn’t this the same PI firm that is investigating Michael Chambers’ disappearance? If it is, they seem to be a legitimate firm.

I can't find anything in msm that says JH is hiring Klein Investigation. So how do we know this is really happening?

 

[liltexans]

I can't find anything in msm that says JH is hiring Klein Investigation. So how do we know this is really happening?

We don't, which is why Tricia is going to look into it before we discuss it further here. I'm skeptical of the , based largely on how well written it is overall and my perception of JH's lack of being that articulate, but it may have been written for Jonathan and it may be legitimate. I'm trying not to let my own initial impression of him and his ability to communicate effectively cloud my judgment as to whether this is his and is for a good purpose.

I'm hoping that FindLucasAllen or Paddleboarder may be able to confirm for us if Jonathan set up the and/or if Jonathan is hiring a PI.

We're in a bit of a holding pattern to discuss everything until we receive more information.

 

[kkdj]

Your post here is very true in its entirety to me.
She has most if not all of those traits in observable interviews, actions that have been documented and more.
I think she might be a psychopath.
I have worked with so many and also had them in my life.
Including psychopathic women who were mothers.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/201307/the-psychopathic-mother
Snipped from link:
{Psychopathic mothers(link is external)[FONT=&] play "Super Mom" when others are watching. She will make sure anyone who will listen knows what a great parent she is. In fact, she may come across as something of a martyr, i.e., a mother who sacrifices her own wants and needs for those of her offspring. Behind closed doors, though, she shows little or no genuine interest in nurturing or caring for the child and may subject him/her to abuse or [/FONT]neglect[FONT=&]. }
[/FONT]{[FONT=&]The psychopathic mother doesn’t see her child as a separate person. Instead, the child is viewed as a personal possession...}
[/FONT]{[FONT=&]They are self-centered, deceptive, shallow emotions, and lack of [/FONT]empathy[FONT=&]. They exploit others for self-serving reasons, lack remorse for their actions, and blame others for the consequences of their actions.}
Also I add this for consideration:
[/FONT]https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/the-parent-without-a-conscience.252/
Snippets:
They know their own tricks and how to play them on the kids.
They have a power-over relationship with the child.
They will never co-parent with you, they will counter-parent.
They will use the children as weapons regardless of the consequences for them.
They do not love their children, but will demand love in return.
They will use their children at will to prove themselves to a new partner.
They will see custody as a battle they should 'win', never as a serious responsibility.
They will stick to their right of being in touch with you, using the children as an excuse.
Co-parenting with a psychopath is a special kind of hell.
:moo:

Yes yes yes! I have seen this in the family I married into! It is sickening actually! All these grown children still chasing mommies love only to feel rejected again according to her whims. These types of people should never be parents.

 

[liltexans]

MOD NOTE

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But you need to help us out by alerting on the posts that are violations. We are busy and do not have time (or in my case, interest) in reading FB pages full of rumors. We may not know it is a rumor unless someone alerts on the post in question.

If you would prefer to PM me or another moderator, that is also fine.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Jewels53]

We don't, which is why Tricia is going to look into it before we discuss it further here. I'm skeptical of the , based largely on how well written it is overall and my perception of JH's lack of being that articulate, but it may have been written for Jonathan and it may be legitimate. I'm trying not to let my own initial impression of him and his ability to communicate effectively cloud my judgment as to whether this is his and is for a good purpose.

I'm hoping that FindLucasAllen or Paddleboarder may be able to confirm for us if Jonathan set up the and/or if Jonathan is hiring a PI.

We're in a bit of a holding pattern to discuss everything until we receive more information.

Thanks liltexans for the reply and answering my question! I appreciate how you keep us inline on this thread and all of the others. I think you all do a fantastic job! Now if everyone would cooperate it would make your life much easier. lol

 

[AFTM]

Well that’s interesting. Isn’t this the same PI firm that is investigating Michael Chambers’ disappearance? If it is, they seem to be a legitimate firm.

Fine if they are legitimate then I would donate to firm to be used for Lucas and not to the page created by JH. Just Saying...

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[Kuyluc2764]

I just wanted to comment this in regards to the . I think it is a good think if JH is the one really doing this. However, after the other fiasco, I really wish that JH would find an advocate, someone like Paddleboarder, who could get this going. I don't know if I would trust donating any money if I knew that he (or anyone else not directly involved in this) was the one in charge of the money. Also, he isn't saying what will happen to the money if they can't raise the amount needed. Like, is it going to get donated to something else that can assist in finding Lucas? And last, if the money is raised and everything falls into place, will JH accept the outcome?

All this is IMO.

 

[Amonet]

I absolute agree with this, but I think she unfortunately wasn't just a psychopath and narcissist when she was pregnant or postpartum.
:moo:

I agree. I'm thinking that the things that have happened the past few months, the run-in with JO, the thing with her boys' dad, the pregnancy...maybe it's just made her think "we could be a happy family if it wasn't for all these other factors" and maybe she decided to take action to remove two of those factors from her (and JH's) life, and that would be Lucas and JO, and maybe she could think that if Lucas isn't around any more there's no one to accuse her of abusing him and causing trouble for *her*?

 

[liltexans]

Is it okay to share the video from the page if I get the YouTube link for the vid?

Per Tricia, it is fine for you to post the YouTube video with the YouTube (not ) link. It's a cute video. Thanks for asking before posting it.

 

[liltexans]

Fine if they are legitimate then I would donate to firm to be used for Lucas and not to the page created by JH. Just Saying...

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Yes, that's why we're trying to confirm if JH is actually behind the and if he has already retained the PI as he says in the . It's hard to confirm where the money is going right now. I'm hopeful that one of our VIs can help us confirm this information or let us know if it's not accurate.

 

[kkdj]

Yes, that's why we're trying to confirm if JH is actually behind the and if he has already retained the PI as he says in the . It's hard to confirm where the money is going right now. I'm hopeful that one of our VIs can help us confirm this information or let us know if it's not accurate.

I really hope this is true, that he has hired a PI. But I think part of the reason he would hire a PI is to also prove EG didn't do this.

 

[AFTM]

Yes very suspicious. He doesn’t believe that the killer is the killer, so this isn’t going to work. No trust or donating from me.

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[tnith]

About the 911 call and how they are found to be false:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/201304/lying-murder-and-deceptive-911-
Snippet:
{[FONT=&amp]On the other hand, [/FONT]researchers(link is external)[FONT=&amp] who analyzed 100 emergency phone calls found that fake 911 callers tended to distance themselves from their victims.}
[/FONT]{[FONT=&amp]Their choice of words (I have a baby and she’s not breathing; Help me! My father’s been murdered!) tends to suggest that the problem is the [/FONT]victim[FONT=&amp] rather than the victim’s [/FONT]medical condition or injury.}
Victim Blaming like EG saying the other cousins/kids/etc were responsible for Lucas' bruises
{[FONT=&amp]The [/FONT]goals[FONT=&amp] of deceptive versus genuine 911 callers are different. One is to start the cover story that will hopefully [/FONT]persuade[FONT=&amp] the audience of his innocence; the other is to get immediate medical attention for a wounded loved one.}
[/FONT]
Just more food for thought...:thinking:
:moo:

Link did not work for me; hunted down cached version via Google:

https://webcache.googleusercontent....deceptive-911-calls+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I can't help but wonder constantly what the operators are thinking and going through every day- they are the psychological 'first responders' to so much madness in society.

And now I've got to go lose what's left of my mind, because too close to home :tantrum: