Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #18 *Arrest*

[chihuahua]

We need Lucas Home.
I might suggest that everyone go back to the first pages of this thread and look at the facts that we have. Lets put all these brilliant minds here together and start from the beginning, with the facts we have. There is always something new that someone can add.
MOO


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Absolutely could not agree more.
Thanks for all you guys/gals on the ground searching. You are always in my thoughts and prayers.
:beats:

 

[n_6CC]

In my opinion, Everything she lies about, she says in two’s. Look back at this.


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[n_6CC]

Transcript of EG jail interview.
(furious, I'm going to have a cocktail or 3 and dinner with my husband, but will be back to rant tomorrow)

100% accuracy is not guaranteed.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fAa1pXe_IXlv9WZ9uOizGk7X5PKrWLyr

Here, sorry guys- the transcript of her interview


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[n_6CC]

There is a case, now in trial phase, that reminds me of this tragic case here.

Aliayah Lunsford, was an adorable 3 yr old, that went missing and was never recovered. But people seemed to know from day one, that her abusive mother killed her.

Like Lucas, there were other children in the home, but she was the one that was scapegoated, and treated harshly and brutally. Both parents were in the home, but the husband was at work when the baby went missing. Both parents had a drug history .

The older sisters were 9 and 11 at the time they witnessed the tragic beating of their baby sister, and were taken along to the woods where her mother disposed of her. It took 5 years for them to be able to overcome their fears and tell the truth about what they witnessed. Poor girls were so scared and probably had PTSD.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...ewis-Co-24-Sep-2011-14-*Trial-Underway*/page2


This case really makes me concerned for Lucas's situation. There are probably no witnesses who can come forward. I hope she cannot get away with this because of the lack of witness testimony.

Why do you think this? These cases take months to get ready. We may not have Lucas’s body, but I’m of the thought that circumstantial evidence goes a long way in certain cases. It’s only a matter of time before he is found. She is losing ground.
MOO


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[margarita25]

Yes, he had accidents at night.

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Which might lend itself to something happening first thing in the morning upon discovery maybe?

 

[n_6CC]

Which might lend itself to something happening first thing in the morning upon discovery maybe?

I’m thinking we should go with the VI’s mention of focus on the dark hours of the 16th. MOO


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[Steelslady]

What does your gut say people??? Put it out there!!!



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Oh, you don't really want me to go there now........ Let's just say this- there is much much more than what meets the eye here. Much much more.

 

[margarita25]

"I took a shower and he took a nap like we always do," Glass said. "I put him down for a movie in his pull up because, you know, he has accidents when he sleeps so that's why he had a pull up on. He had fallen asleep after my shower which is why I went down."

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Ste...475174883.html

"Shower" is standing out to me (I think I mentioned this already).

"Malik Drummond reportedly "wandered off" from his father's home November 23, 2014. Clifton told police he was asleep at the time, and his girlfriend Lesley Marcotte said she was in the bathtub with another child."

http://katv.com/news/local/malik-drummonds-father-pleads-no-contest-to-murder-wont-go-to-trial

 

[PetDetective]

Here, sorry guys- the transcript of her interview


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Not my first or second time reading this, but it has been a little while since I read it last and a few things stuck out that didn’t before. Bear with me [emoji4]

R=Reporter
E=Emily

R:There's obviously a lot of rumors going on, a lot of things people are saying, about your stepson Lucas, just curious if there's anything that you want to say about that situation.

E: Um, yeah, um, in the past, you know, there's been times he's, been a boy, and um playing with his older brothers, and his cousins, um, he gets bruises, and he has had some falls, um, falls either could be cooking dinner, or at the park, um... (long pause, looking down) Um. I'm sorry, this is really hard on me.

THAT is the first thing she had to say? Her first opportunity to speak and that is what she leads with? The reporter didn’t even ask her about his injuries yet, an innocent and normal person would have immediately gone to pleas to the public to find him, to whoever took him to please just let him go, etc.

Also....some falls while cooking dinner?! Is she trying to explain burns that he had?

R: DO you have any idea where Lucas might be at this point?

E: (fake cries) (unintelligible [my god?]) I wish I did. (head down) Um. But if anyone does know, please say something. Because me and Dad are worried sick! (Fake cries) (head down, off screen) I keep thinking, I keep thinking of what could have happened, you know, and I keep thinking back to these two people, um.... that were outside of my house a few days prior,um, a black man and white woman.

I have heard far too many stories about abused children being seriously injured then put to bed who never wake up. Every time, the abuser seems baffled by the fact that they aren’t ok. I get the feeling that when she says she keeps thinking of what could have happened, she is trying to figure out why this time it was fatal since he had always survived her cruelty in the past. ::eye roll::

Another thing she does repeatedly is refer to a man and woman when speaking about what happened. “Me and Dad”/ “a black man and white woman”
This is starting to make me change my mind on her acting alone.

R: Do you have any idea what could have happened?

E: (Shakes head, long pause) I mean, I have ideas, but that's, ideas, I mean, (head down) um, I really shouldn't have spoken to you, because my attorneys uh, uh, I have to go, ok?

Again, I think these ideas she has are in regards to what she did differently that caused his death rather than what happened to him in general.

JMO


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[margarita25]

I agree with your smoking bowls comment. I'm not going further yet until I fact check but I believe I read earlier up thread that Lucas had been absent from school days before. I believe from EG's comment and thinking backwards, she probably regularly put him "down" for a nap. I also wonder how often she left Lucas the demanded responsibility of watching his little sister while she was busy "cleaning" and smoking bowls.

Something popped in my mind just now...could she have been in experiencing withdrawals somewhere in this timeframe? And/or as previously mentioned perhaps she drugged during the nights and slept during the day for days (neglectING Lucas and his sickness)...

 

[n_6CC]

Oh, you don't really want me to go there now........ Let's just say this- there is much much more than what meets the eye here. Much much more.

Well, this is the forum to do it. Let us know where your “eye” is at! We have to continue discussion in Lucas’s behalf. There are so many people working behind the scenes and boots on the ground. Your insight is helpful!MOO


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[n_6CC]

Not my first or second time reading this, but it has been a little while since I read it last and a few things stuck out that didn’t before. Bear with me [emoji4]




THAT is the first thing she had to say? Her first opportunity to speak and that is what she leads with? The reporter didn’t even ask her about his injuries yet, an innocent and normal person would have immediately gone to pleas to the public to find him, to whoever took him to please just let him go, etc.

Also....some falls while cooking dinner?! Is she trying to explain burns that he had?



I have heard far too many stories about abused children being seriously injured then put to bed who never wake up. Every time, the abuser seems baffled by the fact that they aren’t ok. I get the feeling that when she says she keeps thinking of what could have happened, she is trying to figure out why this time it was fatal since he had always survived her cruelty in the past. ::eye roll::

Another thing she does repeatedly is refer to a man and woman when speaking about what happened. “Me and Dad”/ “a black man and white woman”
This is starting to make me change my mind on her acting alone.



Again, I think these ideas she has are in regards to what she did differently that caused his death rather than what happened to him in general.

JMO


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I read this often and see new things as well!! Yes on her start of the interview. I agree with you, and am thinking of new players as well. MOO


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[Deleted member 221026]

Something popped in my mind just now...could she have been in experiencing withdrawals somewhere in this timeframe? And/or as previously mentioned perhaps she drugged during the nights and slept during the day for days (neglectING Lucas and his sickness)...

If she was going through withdrawals from heroin, she would have been "dope sick" extremely fatigued, body aches, irritability, nausea and diarrhea. She certainly wouldn't be cleaning and would be unable to care for the kids. Her cravings for the drug would override any other need or responsibility.

I know there's been discussion about a drug run at OG. What would throw her into an uncontrollable despair would be an expected delivery which didn't go through. An addict waiting on the drug of choice, especially in the agony of withdrawal, would freak if the drug deal fell through at the last minute.

 

[Amonet]

EG says in the interview that she keeps thinking of the two people outside, but I get the sense that she's thinking back retrospectively thinking of how she could insert them into a story of Lucas' disappearance. I'm not getting a sense that she thought about them before Lucas disappeared. Taking a photo of them is odd, though.

Paranoia? Who did she think they were that made her take a photo and send it to JH? Did she fear they were there to check up on her?

I think that might work? Let's say that whole week she's getting more and more paranoid over something, and somehow it relates to Lucas. Is she scared CPS is going to come for another check and that she's going to get in trouble? I don't know if EG was aware that her sons' dad put in a report about Feb 4th....if she did know, that could lead to a heightened paranoia that CPS would come to check on Lucas, and maybe she was scared that this time she wouldn't get away with the lies, that it would be another nail in the coffin preventing her from having contact with her sons in future.

We don't understand what happened on Vday other than EG told JH that the bio mom had Lucas that day.

Then the LL comes and sees Lucas while EG is at OG....what does that do for EG's hypothetical paranoia?

Does this firm up plans in EG's head that she has to hide the evidence in order to save herself/save her chance of an ongoing relationship with her older boys? Does she disappear Lucas to hide the evidence?

I said before that the CINC report saying Lucas tended to have bruises after she and JH fought suggested not out of control violence but controlled and purposeful violence ("Emily's *mean* to me" as a child would put it, and I think those were Lucas' words).

So, what if EG was fomenting this plan in her mind, maybe the VDay thing is a part of pre-planning but it didn't happen that day, it took another event to raise the paranoia levels so much that she actually went through with her plan?

 

[chihuahua]

Like everyone else here who doesn't know EG. I can only speculate on her drug use during the time of Lucas' disappearance.
The only thing we know for sure that she was using was mary jane.
We know from allegations from the father of her other boys that meth and heroin were a factor at some point during the custody arrangements.
Also that the court "forgave" her former drug use and warned her that future use would go to prove she was an unfit custodian of her own children.
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article208704089.html
RSBM "The order said that Glass “has used illegal drugs in the past and is forgiven” but warned that any future use would be seen as “a choice by her not to parent” her children. She was not allowed to leave Butler and Sedgwick counties with the children."
RSMB "It says Emily Glass, Lucas' 26-year-old stepmother, has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, has difficulty controlling her anger and has experimented with methamphetamine and heroin."

As I have said before I often work to help addicts and those with bipolar disorder.
Meth and heroin are a tragic combination for those suffering from bipolar.
Paranoia would be assured. The mood swings would be horrible.
Whether EG suffers from this disease I have no idea, but it does not excuse her actions IMO.
Also if she was using H again and had an unfulfilled craving, that's a nightmare scenario for Lucas.
All she had to do is what is recommended by physicians. Go to a methadone clinic.
That's what is done when a woman finds out that she is pregnant.
I have taken people to them before and am never surprised at the spectrum of society that has to use their services.
On the other hand, methadone is cheap and easy to find on the streets.:thinking:
**Just going thru all the old links again trying to find anything to grasp on to,**
I am so very worried that someone could have helped her, but as in the CA case, it's likely Lucas is near home just unfound yet.:tantrum:
jmo

 

[newmember]

EG says in the interview that she keeps thinking of the two people outside, but I get the sense that she's thinking back retrospectively thinking of how she could insert them into a story of Lucas' disappearance. I'm not getting a sense that she thought about them before Lucas disappeared. Taking a photo of them is odd, though.

Paranoia? Who did she think they were that made her take a photo and send it to JH? Did she fear they were there to check up on her?

I think that might work? Let's say that whole week she's getting more and more paranoid over something, and somehow it relates to Lucas. Is she scared CPS is going to come for another check and that she's going to get in trouble? I don't know if EG was aware that her sons' dad put in a report about Feb 4th....if she did know, that could lead to a heightened paranoia that CPS would come to check on Lucas, and maybe she was scared that this time she wouldn't get away with the lies, that it would be another nail in the coffin preventing her from having contact with her sons in future.

We don't understand what happened on Vday other than EG told JH that the bio mom had Lucas that day.

Then the LL comes and sees Lucas while EG is at OG....what does that do for EG's hypothetical paranoia?

Does this firm up plans in EG's head that she has to hide the evidence in order to save herself/save her chance of an ongoing relationship with her older boys? Does she disappear Lucas to hide the evidence?

I said before that the CINC report saying Lucas tended to have bruises after she and JH fought suggested not out of control violence but controlled and purposeful violence ("Emily's *mean* to me" as a child would put it, and I think those were Lucas' words).

So, what if EG was fomenting this plan in her mind, maybe the VDay thing is a part of pre-planning but it didn't happen that day, it took another event to raise the paranoia levels so much that she actually went through with her plan?

i agree EG had reasons to be paranoid - she knew Lucas' family was reporting abuse, her boys' father kept a close account on their visits with her, JH and her were not the perfect couple (called of engagement, violent household at times). these are all situations, that if they took full form, she'd be facing serious consequences. and who knows what else was going on in her life.

based on what we know, the LL only saw Lucas through the window. what if Lucas' description of the LL matched someone else, someone EG had reason to be more paranoid about than the LL like a CPS worker, an ex-bf (maybe while she was w JH), a drug dealer collecting a debt...maybe thats what set her off her temper or if premeditated, put her plan in action.

 

[ScarlettLin]

Looking back at the report for the CINC case, this just jumped out at me.
When investigating the incident reported by her children, DCF and LE were unable to contact JH on Feb 8, 2018. JH left to work in NM on Feb 9, 2018.
Was contact attempted in person? Via the telephone? Did they, EG and JH know of the attempt to contact? Would that have been the motivation to send the pic of 2 strangers in the yard? ‘They’re back looking for you’ and knowing it was regarding her sons, she’s angry and paranoid because she doesn’t want to lose visitation? We also know that Feb 9 was the last day Lucas went to school...

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article208704089.html


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[n_6CC]

EG says in the interview that she keeps thinking of the two people outside, but I get the sense that she's thinking back retrospectively thinking of how she could insert them into a story of Lucas' disappearance. I'm not getting a sense that she thought about them before Lucas disappeared. Taking a photo of them is odd, though.

Paranoia? Who did she think they were that made her take a photo and send it to JH? Did she fear they were there to check up on her?

I think that might work? Let's say that whole week she's getting more and more paranoid over something, and somehow it relates to Lucas. Is she scared CPS is going to come for another check and that she's going to get in trouble? I don't know if EG was aware that her sons' dad put in a report about Feb 4th....if she did know, that could lead to a heightened paranoia that CPS would come to check on Lucas, and maybe she was scared that this time she wouldn't get away with the lies, that it would be another nail in the coffin preventing her from having contact with her sons in future.

We don't understand what happened on Vday other than EG told JH that the bio mom had Lucas that day.

Then the LL comes and sees Lucas while EG is at OG....what does that do for EG's hypothetical paranoia?

Does this firm up plans in EG's head that she has to hide the evidence in order to save herself/save her chance of an ongoing relationship with her older boys? Does she disappear Lucas to hide the evidence?

I said before that the CINC report saying Lucas tended to have bruises after she and JH fought suggested not out of control violence but controlled and purposeful violence ("Emily's *mean* to me" as a child would put it, and I think those were Lucas' words).

So, what if EG was fomenting this plan in her mind, maybe the VDay thing is a part of pre-planning but it didn't happen that day, it took another event to raise the paranoia levels so much that she actually went through with her plan?

I often wonder if the whole “valentines day” story came out after Lucas had disappeared. Maybe when LE was trying to figure out where she was the week prior to Lucas’s missing. So, out of curiosity, why would she need a Valentine’s Day story? several threads back I mentioned that I thought Lucas’s story might begin on Valentines Day. The recent article mentioned that Lucas may have been abused by Emily during times she was mad at Jonathan. It was Valentine’s Day, was she mad at Jonathan? Why the lie at Lucas being with his mom? Was she entering bio-mom into the picture maybe to thwart eyes in JO direction? She was only going to be caught in this lie. Even if she were doing something behind Jonathan’s back, why lie about JO?? This was not very well thought out on her end, so, I’m guessing it wasn’t planned out-That was a careless lie, and could easily be verified. She slipped.
I’m starting to think the only persons opinion she cares about is JH. She will blatantly lie about Lucas seeing his mother on V-day- yet, he is still by her side. He obviously has been so mind @#$%^ by her he believes what she says over LE or anyone else. Surely he is starting to see through the facade.
Let’s hope. MOO


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[n_6CC]

Looking back at the report for the CINC case, this just jumped out at me.
When investigating the incident reported by her children, DCF and LE were unable to contact JH on Feb 8, 2018. JH left to work in NM on Feb 9, 2018.
Was contact attempted in person? Via the telephone? Did they, EG and JH know of the attempt to contact? Would that have been the motivation to send the pic of 2 strangers in the yard? ‘They’re back looking for you’ and knowing it was regarding her sons, she’s angry and paranoid because she doesn’t want to lose visitation? We also know that Feb 9 was the last day Lucas went to school...

http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article208704089.html


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And they moved!!!


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[n_6CC]

Like everyone else here who doesn't know EG. I can only speculate on her drug use during the time of Lucas' disappearance.
The only thing we know for sure that she was using was mary jane.
We know from allegations from the father of her other boys that meth and heroin were a factor at some point during the custody arrangements.
Also that the court "forgave" her former drug use and warned her that future use would go to prove she was an unfit custodian of her own children.
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article208704089.html
RSBM "The order said that Glass “has used illegal drugs in the past and is forgiven” but warned that any future use would be seen as “a choice by her not to parent” her children. She was not allowed to leave Butler and Sedgwick counties with the children."
RSMB "It says Emily Glass, Lucas' 26-year-old stepmother, has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, has difficulty controlling her anger and has experimented with methamphetamine and heroin."

As I have said before I often work to help addicts and those with bipolar disorder.
Meth and heroin are a tragic combination for those suffering from bipolar.
Paranoia would be assured. The mood swings would be horrible.
Whether EG suffers from this disease I have no idea, but it does not excuse her actions IMO.
Also if she was using H again and had an unfulfilled craving, that's a nightmare scenario for Lucas.
All she had to do is what is recommended by physicians. Go to a methadone clinic.
That's what is done when a woman finds out that she is pregnant.
I have taken people to them before and am never surprised at the spectrum of society that has to use their services.
On the other hand, methadone is cheap and easy to find on the streets.:thinking:
**Just going thru all the old links again trying to find anything to grasp on to,**
I am so very worried that someone could have helped her, but as in the CA case, it's likely Lucas is near home just unfound yet.:tantrum:
jmo

The combination of BP and those drugs os so interesting to me. Thanks for relaying that. I can’t shake a 2nd person either, I just don’t know how that factors in yet. I’m still racking my brain!! MOO


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