Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #19 *Arrest*

[Paddleboarder]

The cases where there was help, did they eventually turn on each other?

Yes, they usually do.

 

[n_6CC]

Yes, they usually do.

Well that could be a sign of hope for finding Lucas. [emoji120] I just wish Lucas could be brought home to his family, and soon.


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[Horror]

Perhaps the person has a history of drug use, a criminal record, mental illness, or something else keeping him/her quiet.

Jumping of this to ask

What is the US rule on how many times you can be charged/jailed before being put away for a long time. Is it like 3 serious crimes or ? Maybe someone is at a limit.


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[Paddleboarder]

Jumping of this to ask

What is the US rule on how many times you can be charged/jailed before being put away for a long time. Is it like 3 serious crimes or ? Maybe someone is at a limit.


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It varies state to state and has been the subject of much debate over the years.

Under the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, the "Three Strikes" statute provides for mandatory life imprisonment if a convicted felon: (1) has been convicted in federal court of a "serious violent felony"; and (2) has two or more previous convictions in federal or state courts, at least one of which is a "serious violent felony" (the other offense may be a serious drug offense). The sentencing enhancements in this law can have a significant impact on a criminal defendant.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/three-strikes-sentencing-laws.html

 

[Horror]

It varies state to state and has been the subject of much debate over the years.

Under the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, the "Three Strikes" statute provides for mandatory life imprisonment if a convicted felon: (1) has been convicted in federal court of a "serious violent felony"; and (2) has two or more previous convictions in federal or state courts, at least one of which is a "serious violent felony" (the other offense may be a serious drug offense). The sentencing enhancements in this law can have a significant impact on a criminal defendant.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/three-strikes-sentencing-laws.html

Thanks PB it’s an interesting thought to ponder in light of previous posts.
I did try to google and got confused a bit as differences were popping up. Local knowledge is always way better for explaining.

ETA - after reading the link it’s a stretch I think to ponder this ( I need to rethink ideas again)


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[ScarlettLin]

Jumping of this to ask

What is the US rule on how many times you can be charged/jailed before being put away for a long time. Is it like 3 serious crimes or ? Maybe someone is at a limit.


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I know from hearing my regulars talk when I had a bar, that KS does have a three strikes law but its application is up to more discretion than some other places where its more concrete. There’s a sentencing guidelines book that has the if thens lined out basically. But judges often get quite a bit of leeway in some sentencing.....

But on another note

If EG killed Lucas and the DA goes with a felony murder charge, anyone involved in helping her would also be charged with felony murder if I’m not mistaken. It’s one of those if you are there when it happened or even if you just help after the fact and you didn’t report it or stop it you’re just as guilty in the eyes of the law things. I had to do a paper on it in class.


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[Steelslady]

Perhaps the person has a history of drug use, a criminal record, mental illness, or something else keeping him/her quiet.

Well now, the plot thickens.......... for sure for sure, it will come out soon enough.

 

[Somer]

JUSTICE IS COMING

EG it will be hard and fast

DONT DOUBT LE, the Feds and highly trained teams looking for Lucas and those who are assembling a case against EG anyone who knowingly or unknowungvhelped her. She fits the criteria. She’s in jail and is going to stay. She has lost her children forever. That includes the one she’s carrying.

While its terrible for everyone to wait, I think the DA HAS ITS VERY BEST On THIS CASE. As difficult as it is for those on the outside looking in , the devoted team putting this case in order are looking at some pretty ugly facts.

CHILD ABUSE

DCF AN ENTIRE AGENCY OF PEOPLE WHO FAILED.

A SCHOOL NURSE WHO TRIED TO REPORT THE ABUSE TO DCF.

ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS Who DID EVERYTHING THEY KNEW TO DO TO SAVE LUCAS.

AND the first responders who quickly decided EG was most likely responsible going so far as to say “ LUCAS was not abducted and we don’t believe he walked out of that house”. That says it all.

Now its up to the team of men and women to put the case together and present it in court. They will get it done and do it well. Just as EGs ATTORNEY is defending her well. It’s her right to have the best defense possible.


JUSTICE IS COMING TO EG. I believe in the people who are going to prosecute the child in need case, the endangerment matter and especially the charges yet to be filed. I hope today we can get some comfort in all that’s coming to EG.


Lucas will be found.

Thank you so much for this. Im sure im not the only one who really needed this post. Thank you, thank you.

 

[katydid23]

Perhaps the person has a history of drug use, a criminal record, mental illness, or something else keeping him/her quiet.

What if she was allowing a sick twisted predator type person, to have their 'private time' with lil Lucas, in exchange for drugs or money? We have certainly seen that horror play out here in other cases. :cry:


Maybe that would be someone she could call on for help in disposal, because of those crimes?

 

[Kuyluc2764]

Is PB trying to tell us without telling us that Emily had help from an unsuspecting person who had issues? *gasp*

I'm confused though, about the part of this person possibly not knowing that Emily had any children. Could this mean that little MH wasn't with Emily at the time this happened? Oh, one could only hope. Although she is little, I think it would haunt her if she found out when she was older that she accompanied her mother while mommy dearest was doing a very dark deed. I'm not sorry to say that I hope that little baby will never again be carried in Emily's arms.

 

[Kuyluc2764]

What if she was allowing a sick twisted predator type person, to have their 'private time' with lil Lucas, in exchange for drugs or money? We have certainly seen that horror play out here in other cases. :cry:


Maybe that would be someone she could call on for help in disposal, because of those crimes?

And that is my que to leave. Goodnight everyone. Goodnight sweet fatty cheeks Lucas baby.

 

[Somer]

As far as whether a person is "born bad" I really don't subscribe to that idea.
Of course that does apply with true psychopaths/sociopaths.
As a child of adoption, I can attest to the competing roles that nature vs nurture play out in real-life. (not saying EG is adopted at all).
Luckily I got all the love and affection I needed to thrive.
In TM's opinion about EG being like CA I think one of the key points he was trying to make was that she likely snapped and discarded him nearby.
IMO EG didn't have any time to party like CA.
Also the lack of empathy is obvious.
I am still thinking about all of this and after coffee maybe I will think more clearly.:cup:
In the meantime here is some short but interesting reading about psychopathic mothers:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-equation/201307/the-psychopathic-mother
RSBM [Psychopathic mothers[FONT=&amp] play "Super Mom" when others are watching. She will make sure anyone who will listen knows what a great parent she is. In fact, she may come across as something of a martyr, i.e., a mother who sacrifices her own wants and needs for those of her offspring. Behind closed doors, though, she shows little or no genuine interest in nurturing or caring for the child and may subject him/her to abuse or neglect.[/FONT][FONT=&amp] ] [/FONT]:gaah:
Lucas:heartbeat:

Chi, thank you for your reply and I'm so happy to hear you landed in a loving and nurturing home. What I have found is that most adults are very complex people based on a number of childhood experiences and their coping skills. I've been spending a lot of time trying to figure out how someone can sit by in silence knowing how many people are suffering by their actions. How can someone not at least try and minimize that suffering? I dont expect anyone to answer.. just thinking out loud. As far as TM's comparison, I've wondered if it has to do with lack of remorse shown by both of them, not that EG was out partying but I'm sure however she's been acting since Lucas went missing isn't going unnoticed. Her interview sure got my attention and wasn't at all how I'd expect someone in her shoes to act unless it was premeditated. Maybe I'm one of the few who doesn't see her as snapping. If someone snaps and kills someone wouldn't they eventually snap out of it and confess because they just couldn't live with what they did? Cold calculating people rarely snap. Just saying. JMO.

 

[Somer]

I don’t think Casey did anything particularly ‘right’ to get off
I think the prosecution in that case messed up spectacularly.
Which is why we see LE and prosecution taking their time and being ever more thorough.
JMO


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Agreed.

 

[katydid23]

And that is my que to leave. Goodnight everyone. Goodnight sweet fatty cheeks Lucas baby.

Sorry. I know that is an awful thought. But we have seen cases like that here, tragically. :cry:

 

[Somer]

Come to think of it, JH probably had lots of friends he introduced her to. Another thought, most men I've ever known would never leave their girlfriend (wife, etc.) and family alone, weeks at a time, miles away without a designated one or two buddies watching out and acting as the "go to" guy.

Hmmm hadn't thought of that. Very interesting point.

 

[flute4peace]

Even then. This is monumental. Never getting out of jail risk.
Who would risk that for another. Who would you risk that for? Who would risk that for you? Who would she risk that for, or who would risk that for her? A sibling? A cousin? A spouse? A child? A parent? A friend? I cannot think of anyone I would cover like that for nor can I think of a single person I would ask. What if they said NO???? Now they know and that’s another liability.....



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Perhaps someone who has a lot to lose by contacting LE? Such as someone with things to hide, beyond/unrelated to LH. Someone who isn't protecting EG so much as themselves.

**speculation/opinion only*

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[Somer]

Perhaps the person has a history of drug use, a criminal record, mental illness, or something else keeping him/her quiet.

And perhaps homeless and known to EG before she met JH. Maybe EG and this person have done mutual favors for eachother in the past. A protective figure with ties to everywhere and nowhere in particular. Maybe the person thought they were disposing of a male that turned on EG and not a child? I really don't know but considering how her past life before meeting JH could tie in somehow. Maybe.

 

[flute4peace]

Perhaps the person has a history of drug use, a criminal record, mental illness, or something else keeping him/her quiet.

Woops sorry, PB, I posted without reading ahead.

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[DakotaMayi]

FWIW, Jonathan still does not believe that Lucas was abused. When presented with quotes or articles regarding the abuse, he deflects to another subject.

It’s difficult for me to believe anyone can still doubt that this poor child was not abused. There is no doubt in my mind. I trust the photos and the words that Lucas spoke.

PB, I know, we speak every day, I'm sure I fill up your iMessages enough with my anger about this so I won't go into that :gaah:But, how do you think it's possible for him to think that? How do you think he sees Lucas' injuries in his mind? Because he sure isn't seeing them the same way we are and if I'm honest, I find it a complete disservice to his little boy. How can anyone look at him and hear what he has to say about Emily; "she doesn't like me anymore" and think that this is anything other than abuse? Is it because his love for her is greater than his love for Lucas? I don't think I'm expecting anyone to know the answers to this but my god, none of it makes a lick of sense and I feel it's such a disrespect to Lucas. :notgood:

 

[Insomnia Momma]

The only reason that I don’t think that she had help during or after is because LE has to have gone through her phone and probably her car with a fine toothed comb. If anything pointed to an accomplice, IMO, that person would have already been arrested and I feel that anyone arrested in conjunction would sing like a bird for lesser charges.

Where are you sweet boy? We’re thinking of you and looking for you. We will find you! 💚