Found Deceased KS - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #23

[Busylady]

Glass also is a witness, Bennett said Wednesday, to whatever happened to the Beech Elementary pre-kindergartner after he was last seen in February.
“I’m not saying anything the Police Department hasn’t already said: They identified her, I believe, as a person of interest. She’s certainly a witness in that case," Bennett told reporters. He did not call her a suspect in the case.
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article211291614.html

 

[SecretGarden]

Someone mentioned it earlier that perhaps someone took her drug paraphernalia for her from the house.

If the cops didn’t find it during an extensive search (I mean, I assume the house was well searched, do you?), where did she ditch it?

A person could’ve kept it for her, or she just threw it away?

Did she have garbage in the garage/house, or was that all gone too? Would drug dogs have been present? I’m assuming not because that would’ve been evidence in her recent trial..

 

[newmember]

Someone mentioned it earlier that perhaps someone took her drug paraphernalia for her from the house.

If the cops didn’t find it during an extensive search (I mean, I assume the house was well searched, do you?), where did she ditch it?

A person could’ve kept it for her, or she just threw it away?

Did she have garbage in the garage/house, or was that all gone too? Would drug dogs have been present? I’m assuming not because that would’ve been evidence in her recent trial..

imo, i think by the time everything was completed, the house had been searched well.

im not trying to make light of EGs drug use but i bet she either disposed of it and figured it wasnt a big loss considering the circumstances. im guessing she had like a bong & w/e is ppl use to do hard drugs - its not like she was making/selling drugs where there'd be a lot to dispose of. or, i still think she had a helper, and maybe they are hanging on to it for her.

imo, i dont think its more complex than that. i dont think its something a dealer would hold for you or worth asking a friend to hold onto unless they were her helper in disappearing Lucas.

what LE found in terms of garbage is an interesting question overall - had it recently been taken out/were the garbage cans in her house empty and the ones outside? if so, it sounds like she was disposing of lots of things....

 

[SecretGarden]

imo, i think by the time everything was completed, the house had been searched well.

im not trying to make light of EGs drug use but i bet she either disposed of it and figured it wasnt a big loss considering the circumstances. im guessing she had like a bong & w/e is ppl use to do hard drugs - its not like she was making/selling drugs where there'd be a lot to dispose of. or, i still think she had a helper, and maybe they are hanging on to it for her.

imo, i dont think its more complex than that. i dont think its something a dealer would hold for you or worth asking a friend to hold onto unless they were her helper in disappearing Lucas.

what LE found in terms of garbage is an interesting question overall - had it recently been taken out/were the garbage cans in her house empty and the ones outside? if so, it sounds like she was disposing of lots of things....

Yes, she admitted to the drugs to the police. But where did they go?

Supposedly she woke up and found a kid missing. But prior to running outside in a state of 9-11 panic, she removes the drugs from her house? No, you’d be losing your **** over your missing kid.. Not “what do I need to hide from the cops?!” I honestly wouldn’t care about a bag of pot sitting out in that situation, but if anything, maybe you half it and toss it in the garage garbage. She didn’t do that, it seems as if it were gone, gone.

But again, if pot/pipe/rolling paper is off her premises, it seems pretty damning that she had plenty of time between finding Lucas “missing” and calling 9-11 to “clean up” around her house.

A web of lies.

 

[newmember]

Yes, she admitted to the drugs to the police. But where did they go?

Supposedly she woke up and found a kid missing. But prior to running outside in a state of 9-11 panic, she removes the drugs from her house? No, you’d be losing your **** over your missing kid.. Not “what do I need to hide from the cops?!” I honestly wouldn’t care about a bag of pot sitting out in that situation, but if anything, maybe you half it and toss it in the garage garbage. She didn’t do that, it seems as if it were gone, gone.

But again, if pot/pipe/rolling paper is off her premises, it seems pretty damning that she had plenty of time between finding Lucas “missing” and calling 9-11 to “clean up” around her house.

A web of lies.

so imo, particularly since the VIs have told us to focus on the late hours of Friday night, i think Lucas passed Friday evening and she had all night (as well as some of saturday during the day if needed) to remove evidence/clean/concoct her plan. i dont think she woke up saturday from a nap and lucas was missing, i think she waited until saturday to report him missing to buy herself time, as part of her storyline and/or she needed to do so soon bc someone was coming over (such as her boys who usually visited on sundays).

i would guess she disposed of them wherever she disposed of any other garbage/items she felt she needed to get rid of - perhaps she took bags of trash to a local dump? in addition to where she put lucas, if there was garbage (drugs or other items she felt could be evidence) it is interesting to wonder where that trash maybe went.

 

[PommyMommy]

THREE MONTHS. My heart is so heavy. Given EG's acquittal yesterday, I understand how she is the center of discussion right now; I really do, but I would like to talk about how we can speed the process of finding Lucas. Specifically, does anybody have any fresh ideas how to encourage more participation in searches? How to get more property owners to search their land? Can anyone local to the area tell us if TV and/or radio stations are getting this information out to the public? Will someone throw me a bone, lol? TIA

JMO

 

[andalso]

Well, if EG is reading here, please sign up and join our discussion!

IMO

 

[andalso]

(ScarlettLin...we had discussed garbage bag colors in the last thread...and lo and behold EG is carrying a clear garbage bag whilst leaving jail. Just found it interesting.

I had asked what color garbage bags people use in that area.)

 

[kidetect22]

First thing I have to say this morning: I’m not thrilled with EG’s parents hiring their on PI. I can’t see them hiring an efficient one and scared that PI will do more harm then good. I also don’t think the PI JH was trying to hire will take on any part of this investigation if it’s on behalf of EG’s family: obviously I don’t know Philip Klein personally, but he doesn’t want his name associated with EG!!! IMO

Second thing: EG will have her day! I have faith in that. This will all come crashing down on her sooner than later. I’m guessing within the next 2 months(seems like an eternity I know) little Lucas will be found. I’m still betting closer to JO... I’ve always thought that and I’m sticking with that. EG is a monster. I can’t wait for the day she is given the guilty verdict of murdering Lucas.

 

[kkdj]

They never said running barefoot, they described what Lucas was wearing when he disappeared - socks no shoes - then said if anyone say someone running with no shoes please call. If necessary I can try and go back through all the videos from the beginning and find the link - it was in one of the press conferences.

This isn't the video but a quote of what Officer Davidson said in that portion of the video

"We're still searching for a missing, five-year-old, little boy," Officer Davidson said. "That's why we continue to plea and ask our community, if they saw somebody running with no shoes on a couple days ago, or they saw something suspicious, something out of place that might be related to this case, please call us.

https://www.kfdi.com/news/search-for-missing-wichita-boy-enters-day-four

No need to find it. That's how I actually remember it now too. I remember at the time it seemed odd to me and I was trying to make sense of who they were talking about since they didn't say if it was a child or adult, male or female.

 

[deedee21]

First thing I have to say this morning: I’m not thrilled with EG’s parents hiring their on PI. I can’t see them hiring an efficient one and scared that PI will do more harm then good. I also don’t think the PI JH was trying to hire will take on any part of this investigation if it’s on behalf of EG’s family: obviously I don’t know Philip Klein personally, but he doesn’t want his name associated with EG!!! IMO

Second thing: EG will have her day! I have faith in that. This will all come crashing down on her sooner than later. I’m guessing within the next 2 months(seems like an eternity I know) little Lucas will be found. I’m still betting closer to JO... I’ve always thought that and I’m sticking with that. EG is a monster. I can’t wait for the day she is given the guilty verdict of murdering Lucas.

It will be a cold day in hell before LE or FBI gives any information to any PI EG parents hire.
He or she will gladly take their money though.
Whether they produce results or not.

 

[deedee21]

If EG weren't pregnant I'd like to take her out and get her really drunk. Sometimes that can be a truth serum. :drink::martini::crosseyed:

Thats what I was thinking too.

On another note.
Is there anyone here familiar with the area they rented the house in?
The reason I ask.
LE asked EG what route she took to the OG?
She said shes new to the area and does not remember.
I dont believe that. She found her way the first time around.
Is there more than one way to get from point A to point B?
Would she have lied because she does not want LE having a look?

Does the OG have cameras?
Do they show scratches on her hands?

 

[kkdj]

Thats what I was thinking too.

On another note.
Is there anyone here familiar with the area they rented the house in?
The reason I ask.
LE asked EG what route she took to the OG?
She said shes new to the area and does not remember.
I dont believe that. She found her way the first time around.
Is there more than one way to get from point A to point B?
Would she have lied because she does not want LE having a look?

Does the OG have cameras?
Do they show scratches on her hands?

Good question! Or did any of the staff notice scratches on her hands?
And, the staff might be able to tell if she was there with another person.

 

[kkdj]

The more I think about this the more I think EG had help disposing of Lucas. I don't think she would have wanted to possibly be seen leaving the house in the middle of the night. But, her cell would show if she called anyone after she spoke with JH Friday evening. I believe she said they face-timed after the kids went down. So, I don't think she had gotten rid of Lucas yet when they spoke. In fact, that might have been when she got really upset with JH and then took it out on Lucas....after the face-time call.

 

[deedee21]

I wonder if they go fund me money will be put towards this PI. Then her parents are putting in the rest. But why didn't they bail her out if they had the money? There must be a reason. I know we thought if she got bailed out LE would just slap some other charges on her so it wouldn't get her out, but now she's out and no more charges yet.

Go fund me does not allow fund raising for someone who is a POI in an investigation. Does not matter if the money is for a PI or any other reason.
PERIOD

 

[kansasjason]

Wichita streets are on a grid. Even though Olive Garden is only about three miles away, there are probably four realistic routes. Probably only takes seven or eight minutes. All routes are going to be fairly heavily trafficked areas with homes and small businesses..

Thats what I was thinking too.

On another note.
Is there anyone here familiar with the area they rented the house in?
The reason I ask.
LE asked EG what route she took to the OG?
She said shes new to the area and does not remember.
I dont believe that. She found her way the first time around.
Is there more than one way to get from point A to point B?
Would she have lied because she does not want LE having a look?

Does the OG have cameras?
Do they show scratches on her hands?

 

[andalso]

I use my phone GPS so much that I am often unable to tell you how I got from point A to point B, I just listen and turn but I am often not really not paying enough attention that I could do it again.

I know it's bad, but I feel now is as good a time as any to admit it.

I definitely have gotten places and not really known how I got there...:blushing:

NOT trying to stick up for EG, just making a point to be considered.

MOO

ETA a side note: I also tend to trust my gps a little too much. I have had it tell me to turn off the road I am driving on, cut through a lovely little neighborhood, only to put me right back on the street I was on. Ok gps...whatever you say I will do! Additionally, it has gotten me lost more then once.

 

[kkdj]

Go fund me does not allow fund raising for someone who is a POI in an investigation. Does not matter if the money is for a PI or any other reason.
PERIOD

But it's not for EG, it's for Lucas. That's what the PI JH was going to hire said. Maybe that's why he made that clear.

 

[ScarlettLin]

(ScarlettLin...we had discussed garbage bag colors in the last thread...and lo and behold EG is carrying a clear garbage bag whilst leaving jail. Just found it interesting.

I had asked what color garbage bags people use in that area.)

I noticed that too! And I realized some other companies use clear bags also, I think these must be corporate type supply or something because I looked at the local stores I shop and I cannot find clear bags!


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[nyvictoria]

The more I think about this the more I think EG had help disposing of Lucas. I don't think she would have wanted to possibly be seen leaving the house in the middle of the night. But, her cell would show if she called anyone after she spoke with JH Friday evening. I believe she said they face-timed after the kids went down. So, I don't think she had gotten rid of Lucas yet when they spoke. In fact, that might have been when she got really upset with JH and then took it out on Lucas....after the face-time call.

I’m leaning toward thinking she acted alone. BUT if she did have help, who could it be? We’ve heard she’s a loner, so I don’t think it’s a friend. A dealer would never get involved in a murder. He/she would have far too much to lose if caught, so that’s out. There is that relative who could be a possibility. Maybe when LE checked her cell records they saw a call to that person?


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