KY - Barren Co., NtvFem UP9284, 20-50, Off Cumberland Pkwy, Aug'11 - Carma Purpura

[Filly]

Mexican drug cartels scalp people?




http://gulfnews.com/news/world/usa/riddle-as-police-find-scalped-woman-1.1068313

 

[tarabull]

Looking for other cases:

In 1985 a woman was stabbed and then scalped in Albany NY...so the perp could disguise himself during a flight to Canada!! (riiiiiiiight)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...INGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zzENAAAAIBAJ&pg=4638,1914473

I have to wonder where Alex Mengel is today? Who else would do this?!?!?

 

[TrackerSam]

Angry boyfriend doesn't necessarily preclude a hate crime. Given this woman's ancestry, the fact that she was scalped would seem to be a key element of the crime.

Most victims of scalping were natives scalped by other natives. It's still a hate crime.

Certain tribes of Native Americans practiced scalping, in some instances up until the end of the 19th century. According to Haines and Steckel (2000), "Probably the most dramatic skeletal example of prehistoric violence in North America comes from the Crow Creek site in central South Dakota. Archaeological excavations revealed about 486 skeletons within a fortification ditch on the periphery of the habitation area. The site represents the Initial Coalescent period and dates to about 1325 A.D. P. Willey's analysis revealed that 90% of the individuals had cut marks characteristic of scalping."[8]

In the 1710s and 1720s, New France engaged in frontier warfare with the Natchez people and the Meskwaki people, during which both sides would employ the practice.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping"]Scalping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[tarabull]

Scalping Analysis: http://dickshovel.com/scalp.html

[note: as far as i have seen, no cases in KY]

 

[tarabull]

Here's the AP article:

Police find woman scalped, but other clues scant

snipped...Kentucky State Police Detective Chad Winn isn't even sure where the woman is from or how she got to a remote area of Barren County, about 95 miles south of Louisville. He speculates she was dumped there.

Such an unusual killing has authorities wondering if the woman was the victim of a hate crime, Winn said. Mexican drug cartels are also known for beheading and scalping people in turf wars south of the border, though that kind of brutality has yet to be seen in rural Kentucky. Without more evidence, those theories remain pure speculation.

"I'm not saying there's no connection tying violence here to the cartels," said Jim Balcom, the Drug Enforcement Administration agent overseeing Kentucky, who is not involved in the investigation. "I'm just saying we can't do it at this point."

 

[Jacie Estes]

The western border of the colonies was being populated with settlers that were comprised of a dubious lot. They were outlaws and runaways. With them they brought disease and alcohol. The frontier was a breeding ground for conflict with the Indian population. Initially the frontiersmen turned on the Indians in an attempt to move them off the land. When the Indians retaliated, the settlers turned to the government for help. The settlers demanded retribution for the Indian reprisals. The Dutch, and soon after the English, government created the scalp bounty as a means to pacify the settlers. Simply, they paid a fee for each scalp that was delivered to the locally appointed magistrate.

http://www.essortment.com/history-indian-european-scalping-21193.html

 

[Jacie Estes]

As monuments go, the one depicting Colonial heroine Hannah Dustin looks like any other, with one crucial exception: In her left hand she holds a fistful of human scalps.

The inscription underneath tells of her 1697 capture in an Indian raid, and how she slew her captors as they slept - 10 women and children. Later she returned for their scalps, having remembered they could fetch a bounty.

The idea of a settler scalping Indians might seem like a historical quirk. Most Americans assume that if there was any scalping going on in Colonial times, the Indians were doing it, not the English.

But the truth, it turns out, is more complex. In an era where Indian-nicknamed teams are under fire and even the meaning of Thanksgiving is being re-evaluated by Native Americans, the very word "scalp" has become culturally loaded - and the origins of the practice increasingly controversial. If one thing is certain, however, it's that Hannah Dustin was no fluke. "

Americans certainly scalped Indians during the Revolution and after," says Colin Calloway, who teaches history at Dartmouth College. "They also stripped Indian corpses of skin."


http://www.hawthorneinsalem.org/ScholarsForum/MMD2263.html

 

[Jacie Estes]

Most tribal battles involved a lot of skirmishing, a lot of coup counting, with very few casualties. Indians were not out to annihilate each other, but to exact revenge or cover themselves with war honors. In most instances, it was better to humiliate the enemy than to kill him.

Of course, warfare was more serious than that. It was important to lift the enemy's hair, both as a warning to the enemy and as a morale-booster to the scalper, his party, and other tribesmen. Nothing delighted a waiting camp more than to see scalps on the lances of returning warriors. These scalps were passed around, talked about, laughed at, sometimes thrown into the fire or given to the dogs in disdain. Often the hair decorated a lodge or was sewn onto a war shirt. White men's hair was taken but was less desirable because it was usually short. Some of the white men were balding and weren't worth scalping. But scalping was an institution among the Plains tribes. A scalp was a trophy of war, just as it became for the whites.

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/scalping.htm

 

[colette]

It could be the killer just liked her hair and kept it as some sick souvenier.

 

[Sonya610]

It would be a major anomoly for an Indian man to scalp an Indian woman. I was talking with several friends of mine about this today, all Indian. None of them could see one of our guys doing this.

An anomaly for an Indian MAN to do this to a Indian woman, but what if the killer, or accomplice, was a very angry, possibly jealous woman? Scalping would humiliate the victim after death, if the woman had beautiful hair it would also be symbolic.

 

[Jacie Estes]

An anomaly for an Indian MAN to do this to a Indian woman, but what if the killer, or accomplice, was a very angry, possibly jealous woman? Scalping would humiliate the victim after death, if the woman had beautiful hair it would also be symbolic.

That methodology is possibly more prevalent for a serial killer than anyone else.

 

[arielilane]

Absolutely horrifying and sad. Her family I'm sure is looking for her.
I have not read this whole thread, but it's possible the remains were moved from another location to the Glasgow location. Possibly from Ohio? Or even Tennessee?:twocents: Also, I believe Bowling Green is near Glasgow and there is a university there.

 

[rollinginit]

I have checked all the missing people in the surrounding states....so far nothing that matches up to somebody being as tall as she is.

About scalping....I'm watching "gangland" now about the wild boyz. Even the most evil criminals in the native American community.....it is really not a crime that other native American commit against each other. I will admit, I don't know much about the culture, but out of all the evil acts these serious criminals commit against others, I haven't heard one case where scalping peoples heads happened. The wild boyz mostly just beat people with metal pipes and shoot them.

What I posted, I really don't know if it's true. What I am hearing is from the tv show that is on gangland right now about native American gangs.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I've wondered if this has any connection to the Highway of Tears. Were any of those victims scalped?

 

[Jacie Estes]

I have checked all the missing people in the surrounding states....so far nothing that matches up to somebody being as tall as she is.

About scalping....I'm watching "gangland" now about the wild boyz. Even the most evil criminals in the native American community.....it is really not a crime that other native American commit against each other. I will admit, I don't know much about the culture, but out of all the evil acts these serious criminals commit against others, I haven't heard one case where scalping peoples heads happened. The wild boyz mostly just beat people with metal pipes and shoot them.

What I posted, I really don't know if it's true. What I am hearing is from the tv show that is on gangland right now about native American gangs.

My degrees are in American Indian Studies, Sociology and I am Indian. I have not heard of scalping as a modern day action. I've asked some of my previous professors and spoken with friends on and off rez, no one has heard of this. I know the girl gangbangers, when they fight, will cut another girl's face with a razor blade from the cheekbone down to the jaw. Nasty scar that can't be repaired. As you said for the guys, beatings, a shot to the back of the head and put the body in the Badlands.

This scalping and the body placed near water are more ritualistic. I would like to see if there are markings on the bones, other than animal marks.

 

[rollinginit]

I agree with you, jacie.

This lady was very tall. I am suspecting, IMO, she must have been really recognized as native American if her head was scalped. Sounds like more of a rage/hate crime. IMO

I hope she is identified soon.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I agree with you, jacie.

This lady was very tall. I am suspecting, IMO, she must have been really recognized as native American if her head was scalped. Sounds like more of a rage/hate crime. IMO

I hope she is identified soon.

There are different heights in any population of people but, taller women are more prevalent in Oceti Sakowin [Lakota/Nakota/Dakota], Cherokee, Cheyenne, Osage and Shawnee. My Shawnee grandmother was 6' tall, her shortest son was 6'4", her daughters were both around 6'.

I agree, as well, about the hate crime/rage aspect.

A family is missing their daughter.

 

[tarabull]

I've wondered if this has any connection to the Highway of Tears. Were any of those victims scalped?

None that I'm aware of but now you have me looking...

 

[rollinginit]

I hope you post in her unidentified thread, jacie. They are working very hard to find her and bring her home....and I believe your information could be very valuable.

Yes, a family is missing a daughter. It makes me very sad tonight thinking about her.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I hope you post in her unidentified thread, jacie. They are working very hard to find her and bring her home....and I believe your information could be very valuable.

Yes, a family is missing a daughter. It makes me very sad tonight thinking about her.

Thanks, I put some info about dentition and tori there.