KY - Breonna Taylor, 26, unarmed, fatally shot multiple times by police, Louisville, 13 Mar 2020

[kaen]

I agree with you in principle. However, I don't believe those that want the officers arrested will look at the transcripts in good faith. jmo

The same could be argued the other way also. That said, distrust of motives or ability to comprehend is not a reason to withhold this information. Let's look at everything and we can still agree to disagree if needed. But, there are plenty in the middle who want to know with as much certainty as possible. These are our public servants. They owe it to all constituents to be transparent regardless of politics or any other factor.

Now, we have Mattingly's lawyer releasing a segment of tape. If that doesn't create more distrust, I am not sure what will. He releases footage of his client after he is shot from a body cam of an officer, after the public is told no body cam footage existed. He is fueling the fire of a "conspiracy" and the LMPD acknowledges its existence and has PR issues with the leaked emails etc. And, there are many who want the public to blindly trust. I don't think it works that way--you build trust by disclosing the good and the bad because we all know faulty stuff happens as no one is perfect.

 

[oviedo]

Yes, thank you. I have added a link to the first post and in future threads.

Thank you - and your links to MSM has been stellar.

on a personal note, I am just devastated over this shooting of a promising young woman (even though I have seen it before) - it never gets easier...
JMO

 

[Deleted member 267032]

The same could be argued the other way also. That said, distrust of motives or ability to comprehend is not a reason to withhold this information. Let's look at everything and we can still agree to disagree if needed. But, there are plenty in the middle who want to know with as much certainty as possible. These are our public servants. They owe it to all constituents to be transparent regardless of politics or any other factor.

Now, we have Mattingly's lawyer releasing a segment of tape. If that doesn't create more distrust, I am not sure what will. He releases footage of his client after he is shot from a body cam of an officer, after the public is told no body cam footage existed. He is fueling the fire of a "conspiracy" and the LMPD acknowledges its existence and has PR issues with the leaked emails etc. And, there are many who want the public to blindly trust. I don't think it works that way--you build trust by disclosing the good and the bad because we all know faulty stuff happens as no one is perfect.

I may not have made myself clear. Releasing the transcripts will do more harm than good. jmo

 

[tresir2012]

The same could be argued the other way also. That said, distrust of motives or ability to comprehend is not a reason to withhold this information. Let's look at everything and we can still agree to disagree if needed. But, there are plenty in the middle who want to know with as much certainty as possible. These are our public servants. They owe it to all constituents to be transparent regardless of politics or any other factor.

Now, we have Mattingly's lawyer releasing a segment of tape. If that doesn't create more distrust, I am not sure what will. He releases footage of his client after he is shot from a body cam of an officer, after the public is told no body cam footage existed. He is fueling the fire of a "conspiracy" and the LMPD acknowledges its existence and has PR issues with the leaked emails etc. And, there are many who want the public to blindly trust. I don't think it works that way--you build trust by disclosing the good and the bad because we all know faulty stuff happens as no one is perfect.

I am interested to know what posters think would have been a fair and just result if they do not think the GJ decision was the right one.

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[tresir2012]

The same could be argued the other way also. That said, distrust of motives or ability to comprehend is not a reason to withhold this information. Let's look at everything and we can still agree to disagree if needed. But, there are plenty in the middle who want to know with as much certainty as possible. These are our public servants. They owe it to all constituents to be transparent regardless of politics or any other factor.

Now, we have Mattingly's lawyer releasing a segment of tape. If that doesn't create more distrust, I am not sure what will. He releases footage of his client after he is shot from a body cam of an officer, after the public is told no body cam footage existed. He is fueling the fire of a "conspiracy" and the LMPD acknowledges its existence and has PR issues with the leaked emails etc. And, there are many who want the public to blindly trust. I don't think it works that way--you build trust by disclosing the good and the bad because we all know faulty stuff happens as no one is perfect.

He has to defend the accusations of being a murderer. He has been cleared by the GJ for his actions.

 

[kaen]

He has to defend the accusations of being a murderer. He has been cleared by the GJ for his actions.

My point is not about his defense or anything to do with him really. His lawyer released a body cam video. Let's see the whole thing, not just a segment. If the camera was activated as the officer left his/her car, we should see that footage as well as all of the footage after this segment. Knowledge is power.

 

[Kimmer]

My point is not about his defense or anything to do with him really. His lawyer released a body cam video. Let's see the whole thing, not just a segment. If the camera was activated as the officer left his/her car, we should see that footage as well as all of the footage after this segment. Knowledge is power.

I am not sure but I think this is an officer that showed up after the officer down call was put out, on the other hand if this is a cam from one of the officers who conducted the raid I agree release all of it..but I am not sure that is the case if there is video from the raid I don't think it will ever be released JMO

 

[Deleted member 267032]

The media has shown little interest in getting at the truth in accessing the GJ results. They had every opportunity to have legal experts explain the case but instead interviewed entertainers & athletes. If the transcripts are released, I would expect more of the same. Major knit-picking with no rebuttal. I guess it's the world we live in. jmo

 

[CSIDreamer]

Breonna Taylor autopsy report: Details of fatal gunshot wound | whas11.com

I havent read it yet, just hopped over to link it. Still not what I want to see. Jmo

 

[Kimmer]

So does that mean 5 shots? Reports have claimed 6-8.

 

[Kimmer]

Louisville police Major relieved of duty after email.
Louisville Police Major relieved of 5th Division command after controversial personal emails

 

[CSIDreamer]

So does that mean 5 shots? Reports have claimed 6-8.

I thought 6 but JMO. Everything I'm trying to double check is paywalled.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Louisville police Major relieved of duty after email.
Louisville Police Major relieved of 5th Division command after controversial personal emails

Holy heck! You can read the email here:

LMPD Maj. Hallahan relieved of duty, will retire after BLM comments

The Louisville police major who sent an email last month criticizing antifa and Black Lives Matter activists as the same people washing officers' cars or working at Walmart has been relieved of her duties commanding the department's Fifth Division and will retire, officials said Friday.

The Courier Journal obtained the message Tuesday, hours after an email surfaced from Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly.

 

[sds71]

So does that mean 5 shots? Reports have claimed 6-8.

Cameron said 5 shots and a projectile in her foot.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I thought 6 but JMO. Everything I'm trying to double check is paywalled.

In total, police fired 32 shots into Taylor's apartment.

From the doorway, Mattingly fired six shots and Cosgrove fired 16 "in a matter of seconds," according to Cameron's investigation. From outside, Hankison shot 10 more.

Of the six shots that struck Taylor, Cameron said only one was fatal. (He noted the sixth shot was a "projectile" lodged in one of Taylor's feet, despite her death certificate listing five shots as the cause of death.)

Breonna Taylor announcement: Ex-police officer Brett Hankison charged

 

[tresir2012]

My point is not about his defense or anything to do with him really. His lawyer released a body cam video. Let's see the whole thing, not just a segment. If the camera was activated as the officer left his/her car, we should see that footage as well as all of the footage after this segment. Knowledge is power.

He has possibly just released the footage that shows it was self defence to make it clear the murder accusations are defamatory. His client is entitled to defend himself against such public accusations after all. I don't see us having a right to see the GJ evidence.

 

[Deleted member 267032]

Why can't they release the audio?
They did it with the Grand Jury trial for Kenneth Walker .

Attorney for Breonna Taylor's boyfriend says LMPD provided 'misleading' information to get indictment

There was no trial. Who is the "they" & do you have a link. I'd really like to here it.

 

[Deleted member 267032]

Breonna Taylor's family attorney Benjamin Crump called for transparency from the Kentucky attorney general and demanded the transcripts of the grand jury proceedings be released. He added there was precedence for releasing the transcripts of a grand jury proceeding, citing the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Missouri.

Former Kentucky Assistant Attorney General John W. Stewart said the grand jury transcripts should be released, noting a lack of transparency in the Taylor case.

Stewart said that before he heard the decision, he thought it would be a cut and dry case of self-defense and didn't expect any of the officers to be charged. After hearing the facts presented by Cameron, he now feels all three officers -- Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly, Detective Myles Cosgrove and former Detective Brett Hankison -- should have been charged in connection with Taylor's death.

Stewart joins the long list of people calling for the grand jury proceedings to be made public, including Kentucky's own Governor Andy Beshear and Louisville's Mayor Greg Fischer.

"If these two officers did not get indicted, then the grand jury testimony ought to be public. You can't hide behind the secrecy of the grand jury," Stewart added.

Breonna Taylor's family attorney believes the Kentucky attorney general's investigation was a coverup

Actually Kentucky's own Governor Andy Beshear asked the AG to release what he could.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...orney-general-demands-grand-jury-information/

 

[sds71]

There was no trial. Who is the "they" & do you have a link. I'd really like to here it.

sds71 said: ↑
Why can't they release the audio?
They did it with the Grand Jury trial for Kenneth Walker .

Attorney for Breonna Taylor's boyfriend says LMPD provided 'misleading' information to get indictment
There was no trial. Who is the "they" & do you have a link. I'd really like to here it.

I already linked it above. #565
The audio file is in the article I posted under
Recorded grand jury testimony in attempted murder case against Kenneth Walker.

More links:
Police officer left out key facts in obtaining indictment of Breonna Taylor's boyfriend

Wine said there is no misleading testimony and no ethical breaches of his office, but he said he does agree that more should have been presented to the grand jury.
Charged dropped against Breonna Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth Walker | king5.com

 

[Deleted member 267032]

sds71 said: ↑
Why can't they release the audio?
They did it with the Grand Jury trial for Kenneth Walker .

Attorney for Breonna Taylor's boyfriend says LMPD provided 'misleading' information to get indictment
There was no trial. Who is the "they" & do you have a link. I'd really like to here it.

I already linked it above. #565
The audio file is in the article I posted under
Recorded grand jury testimony in attempted murder case against Kenneth Walker.

More links:
Police officer left out key facts in obtaining indictment of Breonna Taylor's boyfriend

Wine said there is no misleading testimony and no ethical breaches of his office, but he said he does agree that more should have been presented to the grand jury.
Charged dropped against Breonna Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth Walker | king5.com

Thanks. I had read the article but didn't lessen to the audio. This is purely a guess. Once Walker was indicted, his attorney was given the court recording & he made it public.