KY - Breonna Taylor, 26, unarmed, fatally shot multiple times by police, Louisville, 13 Mar 2020

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  • #721
One thing you missed out was JG told an associate in a recorded jail call that BT was holding $8k for him.
That information was collected by LMPD after Breonna was killed when the city went into a mad rush to get all recorded calls JG had while he was jailed before the raid, it was after the raid when they used this info to offer Glover a plea for probation rather than trial with a 10 year possible sentence if Glover would only say that Breonna was part of his drug enterprise, he promptly turned down the plea. And it was not part of the surveillance information or the information collected before the warrant application was filled out.
 
  • #722
Im going to have to disagree with you here for several reasons. To obtain a warrant LE needs For there to be probable cause to search particular premises, it must be reasonably likely that:
a. the specific items to be searched for are connected with criminal activities; and
b. these items will be found in the place to be searched​

Facts of the case
Taylor, who has no drug offenses on her record, shared her apartment with her younger sister, Juniyah Palmer. Neither Taylor nor Palmer has any history of drug offenses. Taylor's boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, did not live in the apartment, according to the address listed on his arrest citation. He also has no history of drug offenses, and Walker was not named in the search warrant.

Jamarcus Glover, Ms. Taylor’s ex-boyfriend whose alleged packages led the police to her door that night, was arrested on Aug. 27 in possession of drugs, according to a charging document. He told The Courier Journal that Ms. Taylor had no involvement in the drug trade. “The police are trying to make it out to be my fault and turning the whole community out here, making it look like I brought this to Breonna’s door,” he said. While Taylor and Glover had a "passive" relationship, she was not "knee deep" in drug dealing with him.

The Courier Journal reported May 12 that a sworn affidavit from Jaynes said Glover was seen walking into Taylor's apartment one January afternoon and left with a "suspected USPS package in his right hand" then drove to a "known drug house" on Muhammad Ali Boulevard. But Louisville's U.S. postal inspector, Tony Gooden, told WDRB News in May that a different agency (which he did not identify) had asked in January to look into whether Taylor's home was receiving suspicious mail. The office had concluded that it wasn't, Gooden said. The report notes that Taylor's house was under surveillance, but does not find Taylor was "running drugs."

Sources:
Fact check: Posts with Breonna Taylor 'truths' include misinformation
What We Know About Breonna Taylor’s Case and Death

Probable Cause Analysis
BT has no known criminal/drug record, Nor did KW. The probable cause requirement was met because LE claims JG was receiving suspicious packages there. There's nothing illegal about receiving a package. The fact the JG then went to a "trap house" after is again not illegal. Evening assuming illegal activity occurred while there, this does not provide proof that the package JG brought with him contained drugs. Just because it could have been drugged, doesn't mean it was drugged or the it likely drugs. nor does it mean LE or anyone else should leap to that conclusion. Picking up your Amazon order than going to get high with your friends at somewhere, do not implicate either the package, BT, or her apartment. None of these facts create probable cause. to play devil's advocate lets say there were drugs in the package. LE witness JG picking up the package and leaving. There was no indication BT was storing the package or that the package was inside the apartment for any length of time. IMO even if the packages had drugs, which they didnt, they doesn't create a likelihood that they would be found in BTs apartment in the middle of the night, which is a requirement of the warrant. are these things suspicious? absolutely. But is there anything definitive tying BT or her apartment to drugs? No. So i argue no PC here.

Being seen in front of a trap house doesn't make you a drugie, or a drug dealer, or involved with drugs at all just like being spotted in a strip club parking lot doesnt make some a stripper. Its not illegal to go to a friend's house or drive in parts of the city where crime occurs. Driving by a place once also doesnt mean its a place you frequent. She could have been there for any number of reasons and we have no evidence to indicate JG has confirmed BT has nothing to do with his drug dealing. But just for the record taking drugs, or knowing someone who does, or having a friend who commits crimes doesnt make someone's life any less valuable nor does the legal requirements any different.

Furthermore, the Postal worker reported they did not find BT was receiving anything suspicious and LEs own report notes state BT was not running drugs. If there was nothing suspicious arriving in the mail and if by LEs own report BT has not taking any drugs out of the house then no probable cause exists. Additionally, they were working off of information that was 2 months old. As I understand it drug operations tend to move around alot. IMO prior to applying for the warrant LE should have done their due diligence and spent an afternoon verifying this information was still current. JG doesnt do to this location regularly, there was no reason for LE to belive he would be found there. The post offices finding of drugs was the only tangible evidence they had, everything else related to BT is speculation and guesswork.

So the fact that LE lied about it, is not a small detail to sweep under the rug. Its not a small thing, its THE THING. Without this its totally unreasonable for LE to believe drugs would be found at BTs apartment. Everything remaining looks suspicious, I'll give you that but its all circumstantial. Without probable cause, LE should not have been granted a warrant and hence, they never should have been at BTs apartment. Her death was caused by a chain of misconduct from LE and it never should have happened. Lying about the packages is what made the difference between getting the warrant and not getting the warrant.

Counterargument
GPS tracking and surveillance had him picking up packages at her apartment in January multiple times. He was driving her car on video in front of the trap house. She was seen on video in February in front of the trap house. He was using her phone number and address as his own in February:

Yes he was seen picking things up and then leaving, driving her car but without her. He was not seen staying at her apartment overnight or for a significant length of time, at least to my knowledge so it doesnt make sense for LE to believe he or his drugs would like be found there in the middle of the night.​

She definitely had knowledge of what he was doing -

I want to emphasize her that we have ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing what BT did or did not know. Seriously, how many ladies here can testify to their man lying to them about important things? Alot probably. BT sand JG had an on and off again passive thing. This could mean they very close or it could mean they told each other nothing. IMO this comes awfully close to the line of victim shaming (and im not trying to say thats what your doing) whether BT had knowledge of what JG was up to or not really makes no difference to the probable cause analysis because she was never involved and theres nothing to imply she was from LE Reports, JG himself, or her previous record. having knowledge would not somehow make a falsified lie okay, it wouldnt justify what happened to her, nor would it excuse LEs behavior. So IMO it adds nothing to a legal argument and we should therefore not speculate on it​

The only real issue is the statement from the Postal inspector and even without that, they still had enough information collected during the investigation to justify having a search warrant for her apartment.

I absolutely disagree. everything they have is circumstantial. LE never confirmed visually or from others that drugs were ever at BTs apartment. It would not be reasonble for the to believe they would find drugs there, given they were workin on hearsay.

And this is neither here nor there but Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides that a warrant must command the officer to execute the warrant during the daytime, UNLESS the judge for good cause expressly authorizes the execution at another time. Daytime is between 6AM-10PM. I have not seen it noted anywhere they got that the judge authorized the execution of the warrant so late at night. Its very odd they did this and it just speaks to these officers continuous pattern of disregarding the letter of the law​

An innocent young woman was killed in her own home. She lives in a decent area, she had no criminal record, LEs own reports stated she wasn't dealing drugs. LE did not have a legal right to search her apartment. They did not do their due diligence in confirming the facts of the case. IMO their behavior was reckless and negligent and as a result someone lost there life. Im not trying to say every cop is bad or every precinct. This isnt even necessarily a reflection of this police force. Its simply a reflection of these officers, and the misconduct they engaged in. Thank you for coming to my ted talk

Although you skipped a few issues such as holding money for him, you made a good case for questioning the warrant. I understand the FBI is looking at this & hopefully we will see more about that. I would not characterize receiving packages as THE THING. I'm certainly open to charging anyone that broke a law in obtaining a warrant.
 
  • #723
That information was collected by LMPD after Breonna was killed when the city went into a mad rush to get all recorded calls JG had while he was jailed before the raid, it was after the raid when they used this info to offer Glover a plea for probation rather than trial with a 10 year possible sentence if Glover would only say that Breonna was part of his drug enterprise, he promptly turned down the plea. And it was not part of the surveillance information or the information collected before the warrant application was filled out.
I guess you have a link for these facts regarding the plea negotiations.
 
  • #724
Brett Hankison: Ex-cop charged with shooting into Breonna Taylor's apartment to be arraigned today

Brett Hankison's arraignment is scheduled for 3:30 p.m. ET at the Jefferson County Courthouse in Louisville. It's unclear if Hankison will appear in court, or if his attorney, Stewart Matthews, will appear on his behalf.

Hankison was charged by a grand jury with three counts of wanton endangerment last week. Hankison is charged with firing several rounds into the building following the initial shootout, allegedly putting Taylor's neighbors in danger.

Hankison faces a maximum of 15 years in prison.

To bad downtown is still closed off I would love to attend this.
 
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Although you skipped a few issues such as holding money for him, you made a good case for questioning the warrant. I understand the FBI is looking at this & hopefully we will see more about that. I would not characterize receiving packages as THE THING. I'm certainly open to charging anyone that broke a law in obtaining a warrant.
no drugs or money were found in the home after the raid.
 
  • #728
Although you skipped a few issues such as holding money for him, you made a good case for questioning the warrant. I understand the FBI is looking at this & hopefully we will see more about that. I would not characterize receiving packages as THE THING. I'm certainly open to charging anyone that broke a law in obtaining a warrant.
Apologies, I was typing so furiously I think I may have implied the wrong thing. For me the biggest issue was the false testimony LE original stated theyd gotten from the postal worker. This was their link to direct evidence to support their claims, but without it all the evidence remaining is merely circumstantial and the receipt of suspicious packages confirms their legal nature. What they found was certainly suspicious but I don't think its enough for LE to say they reasonably believe they would find drugs in the apartment. Its possible the could be right but without at least one piece of tangible evidence I wouldn't feel comfortable saying its probable

And thank you, that was all basically what I was trying to say with my first few posts but I foolishly thought I could skip covering PC, so feel free to just ignore those now. I tend to get on my soapbox when I see misconduct issues, clearly. I mostly wrote it as a way to express my frustrations with the current state of the criminal justice system so I appreciate everyone who took the time to read my novel lol
 
  • #729
no drugs or money were found in the home after the raid.

I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying the warrant is invalid because they didn't find what the warrant allowed them to look for?
 
  • #730
Apologies, I was typing so furiously I think I may have implied the wrong thing. For me the biggest issue was the false testimony LE original stated theyd gotten from the postal worker. This was their link to direct evidence to support their claims, but without it all the evidence remaining is merely circumstantial and the receipt of suspicious packages confirms their legal nature. What they found was certainly suspicious but I don't think its enough for LE to say they reasonably believe they would find drugs in the apartment. Its possible the could be right but without at least one piece of tangible evidence I wouldn't feel comfortable saying its probable

And thank you, that was all basically what I was trying to say with my first few posts but I foolishly thought I could skip covering PC, so feel free to just ignore those now. I tend to get on my soapbox when I see misconduct issues, clearly. I mostly wrote it as a way to express my frustrations with the current state of the criminal justice system so I appreciate everyone who took the time to read my novel lol

I do find it curious that the media hasn't provided any expert advice on the legality of the warrant. Maybe too busy interviewing entertainers.
 
  • #731
I am afraid I cannot access that one as it is not EU friendly but thanks for providing. This one below clearly states that info regarding Breonna was not in the plea agreement offer out of respect for her.

Attorney alleges Breonna Taylor’s name was used in drug suspect’s plea deal; prosecutor says that’s ‘false’

Also, as the recordings and his 5 visits to her flat in January will form part of the evidence against Glover, that could be why it is not being discussed much in the media perhaps.
 
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  • #732
I am afraid I cannot access that one as it is not EU friendly but thanks for providing. This one below clearly states that info regarding Breonna was not in the plea agreement offer out of respect for her.

Attorney alleges Breonna Taylor’s name was used in drug suspect’s plea deal; prosecutor says that’s ‘false’

So far, I consider the question of implicating Breonna in the drug business in a plea deal a wash. Walkers lawyer says one thing & the prosecutor says another.Each has his own agenda and I have no idea who's version is true.
 
  • #733
They released a recording of Walker’s Grand Jury proceedings to his attorney. I hope his attorney receives the transcripts from Hankison’s also.
They should release everything since it’s leaking without context.

But over the weekend, other videos have surfaced on social media, including an unidentified officer walking to the door of Taylor's apartment and asking, "Is anybody here dead?"

In addition, a Facebook account named "Julia Roberts" posted Snapchat videos containing clips of apparent body camera footage posted by Kendrick Wilson.

Wilson told reporters Sunday he obtained the footage from Sam Aguiar, an attorney for Breonna Taylor's family, who helped negotiate the family's $12 million settlement with the city. He called on Aguiar to release more of the records he'd obtained under seal, despite the settlement's requirement that attorneys destroy that evidence.
Evidence in Breonna Taylor case leaks onto social media and Vice

Seems like this could be a problem and jeopardise any future trials. Some of these people may be doing it on purpose. I won't be discussing any of this for that reason.
 
  • #734
So far, I consider the question of implicating Breonna in the drug business in a plea deal a wash. Walkers lawyer says one thing & the prosecutor says another.Each has his own agenda and I have no idea who's version is true.
I agree and it is not for us to determine that as it will be fully discussed in the trial for JG and his co accused as well as the Officer's trial and any civil trial KW may bring.
 
  • #735
IME it really depends on the circumstances of the case. I have no doubt the attorneys are working hard on the case, that being said the rules of discovery require both the prosecution and defense to share all of the evidence they collect with each other
Supreme court has ruled that GJ evidence is hearsay so I don't think it would be admissible. MOO.
 
  • #736
I won't be around today at 3:30pm, I can report on the details tonight.

Brett Hankison: Ex-cop charged with shooting into Breonna Taylor's apartment to be arraigned today

Brett Hankison's arraignment is scheduled for 3:30 p.m. ET at the Jefferson County Courthouse in Louisville. It's unclear if Hankison will appear in court, or if his attorney, Stewart Matthews, will appear on his behalf.

Hankison was charged by a grand jury with three counts of wanton endangerment last week. Hankison is charged with firing several rounds into the building following the initial shootout, allegedly putting Taylor's neighbors in danger.

Hankison faces a maximum of 15 years in prison.
 
  • #737
Im going to have to disagree with you here for several reasons. To obtain a warrant LE needs For there to be probable cause to search particular premises, it must be reasonably likely that:
a. the specific items to be searched for are connected with criminal activities; and
b. these items will be found in the place to be searched​

Facts of the case
Taylor, who has no drug offenses on her record, shared her apartment with her younger sister, Juniyah Palmer. Neither Taylor nor Palmer has any history of drug offenses. Taylor's boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, did not live in the apartment, according to the address listed on his arrest citation. He also has no history of drug offenses, and Walker was not named in the search warrant.

Jamarcus Glover, Ms. Taylor’s ex-boyfriend whose alleged packages led the police to her door that night, was arrested on Aug. 27 in possession of drugs, according to a charging document. He told The Courier Journal that Ms. Taylor had no involvement in the drug trade. “The police are trying to make it out to be my fault and turning the whole community out here, making it look like I brought this to Breonna’s door,” he said. While Taylor and Glover had a "passive" relationship, she was not "knee deep" in drug dealing with him.

The Courier Journal reported May 12 that a sworn affidavit from Jaynes said Glover was seen walking into Taylor's apartment one January afternoon and left with a "suspected USPS package in his right hand" then drove to a "known drug house" on Muhammad Ali Boulevard. But Louisville's U.S. postal inspector, Tony Gooden, told WDRB News in May that a different agency (which he did not identify) had asked in January to look into whether Taylor's home was receiving suspicious mail. The office had concluded that it wasn't, Gooden said. The report notes that Taylor's house was under surveillance, but does not find Taylor was "running drugs."

Sources:
Fact check: Posts with Breonna Taylor 'truths' include misinformation
What We Know About Breonna Taylor’s Case and Death

Probable Cause Analysis
BT has no known criminal/drug record, Nor did KW. The probable cause requirement was met because LE claims JG was receiving suspicious packages there. There's nothing illegal about receiving a package. The fact the JG then went to a "trap house" after is again not illegal. Evening assuming illegal activity occurred while there, this does not provide proof that the package JG brought with him contained drugs. Just because it could have been drugged, doesn't mean it was drugged or the it likely drugs. nor does it mean LE or anyone else should leap to that conclusion. Picking up your Amazon order than going to get high with your friends at somewhere, do not implicate either the package, BT, or her apartment. None of these facts create probable cause. to play devil's advocate lets say there were drugs in the package. LE witness JG picking up the package and leaving. There was no indication BT was storing the package or that the package was inside the apartment for any length of time. IMO even if the packages had drugs, which they didnt, they doesn't create a likelihood that they would be found in BTs apartment in the middle of the night, which is a requirement of the warrant. are these things suspicious? absolutely. But is there anything definitive tying BT or her apartment to drugs? No. So i argue no PC here.

Being seen in front of a trap house doesn't make you a drugie, or a drug dealer, or involved with drugs at all just like being spotted in a strip club parking lot doesnt make some a stripper. Its not illegal to go to a friend's house or drive in parts of the city where crime occurs. Driving by a place once also doesnt mean its a place you frequent. She could have been there for any number of reasons and we have no evidence to indicate JG has confirmed BT has nothing to do with his drug dealing. But just for the record taking drugs, or knowing someone who does, or having a friend who commits crimes doesnt make someone's life any less valuable nor does the legal requirements any different.

Furthermore, the Postal worker reported they did not find BT was receiving anything suspicious and LEs own report notes state BT was not running drugs. If there was nothing suspicious arriving in the mail and if by LEs own report BT has not taking any drugs out of the house then no probable cause exists. Additionally, they were working off of information that was 2 months old. As I understand it drug operations tend to move around alot. IMO prior to applying for the warrant LE should have done their due diligence and spent an afternoon verifying this information was still current. JG doesnt do to this location regularly, there was no reason for LE to belive he would be found there. The post offices finding of drugs was the only tangible evidence they had, everything else related to BT is speculation and guesswork.

So the fact that LE lied about it, is not a small detail to sweep under the rug. Its not a small thing, its THE THING. Without this its totally unreasonable for LE to believe drugs would be found at BTs apartment. Everything remaining looks suspicious, I'll give you that but its all circumstantial. Without probable cause, LE should not have been granted a warrant and hence, they never should have been at BTs apartment. Her death was caused by a chain of misconduct from LE and it never should have happened. Lying about the packages is what made the difference between getting the warrant and not getting the warrant.

Counterargument
GPS tracking and surveillance had him picking up packages at her apartment in January multiple times. He was driving her car on video in front of the trap house. She was seen on video in February in front of the trap house. He was using her phone number and address as his own in February:

Yes he was seen picking things up and then leaving, driving her car but without her. He was not seen staying at her apartment overnight or for a significant length of time, at least to my knowledge so it doesnt make sense for LE to believe he or his drugs would like be found there in the middle of the night.​

She definitely had knowledge of what he was doing -

I want to emphasize her that we have ABSOLUTELY no way of knowing what BT did or did not know. Seriously, how many ladies here can testify to their man lying to them about important things? Alot probably. BT sand JG had an on and off again passive thing. This could mean they very close or it could mean they told each other nothing. IMO this comes awfully close to the line of victim shaming (and im not trying to say thats what your doing) whether BT had knowledge of what JG was up to or not really makes no difference to the probable cause analysis because she was never involved and theres nothing to imply she was from LE Reports, JG himself, or her previous record. having knowledge would not somehow make a falsified lie okay, it wouldnt justify what happened to her, nor would it excuse LEs behavior. So IMO it adds nothing to a legal argument and we should therefore not speculate on it​

The only real issue is the statement from the Postal inspector and even without that, they still had enough information collected during the investigation to justify having a search warrant for her apartment.

I absolutely disagree. everything they have is circumstantial. LE never confirmed visually or from others that drugs were ever at BTs apartment. It would not be reasonble for the to believe they would find drugs there, given they were workin on hearsay.

And this is neither here nor there but Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides that a warrant must command the officer to execute the warrant during the daytime, UNLESS the judge for good cause expressly authorizes the execution at another time. Daytime is between 6AM-10PM. I have not seen it noted anywhere they got that the judge authorized the execution of the warrant so late at night. Its very odd they did this and it just speaks to these officers continuous pattern of disregarding the letter of the law​

An innocent young woman was killed in her own home. She lives in a decent area, she had no criminal record, LEs own reports stated she wasn't dealing drugs. LE did not have a legal right to search her apartment. They did not do their due diligence in confirming the facts of the case. IMO their behavior was reckless and negligent and as a result someone lost there life. Im not trying to say every cop is bad or every precinct. This isnt even necessarily a reflection of this police force. Its simply a reflection of these officers, and the misconduct they engaged in. Thank you for coming to my ted talk
She absolutely had knowledge of what he was doing. Read the articles and transcripts of the phone calls. She was on the transcripts talking to him about one of the other suspects being at the trap house. She talked about the stress of being around him because of the police. She had bailed him out of jail multiple times. She was seen at the trap house in February with him. None of this is implying that she was involved in the drug dealing or deserved to be killed. All of this coupled with him using her address as his own points to the possible chance that drugs/ proceeds from said drug dealing would be in the apartment.

The thing with the package issue is that which postal inspector did they go to for the information since it wasn't the local one? Also which other LE agency went to him as part of their investigation? Was it Jefferson County? Was it KSP? Or on the outside possiblity since it was a drug case and he was wanted in connection with another drug case in a different state, the DEA?
 
  • #738
Although you skipped a few issues such as holding money for him, you made a good case for questioning the warrant. I understand the FBI is looking at this & hopefully we will see more about that. I would not characterize receiving packages as THE THING. I'm certainly open to charging anyone that broke a law in obtaining a warrant.
No I was replying to the first sentence in your post that Breonna where you said a few steps were missed "like Breonna holding money for him."
They did not hear any jail house phone calls between Glover and Breonna until after the raid so her holding money was not gleaned from the jail house calls that were not listened to until after her death.
And they did not find said money in her home after the raid.
 
  • #739
No I was replying to the first sentence in your post that Breonna where you said a few steps were missed "like Breonna holding money for him."
They did not hear any jail house phone calls between Glover and Breonna until after the raid so her holding money was not gleaned from the jail house calls that were not listened to until after her death.
And they did not find said money in her home after the raid.

I'm confused. However, thanks for trying to clarify for me.
 
  • #740
No I was replying to the first sentence in your post that Breonna where you said a few steps were missed "like Breonna holding money for him."
They did not hear any jail house phone calls between Glover and Breonna until after the raid so her holding money was not gleaned from the jail house calls that were not listened to until after her death.
And they did not find said money in her home after the raid.
How do you know when they heard the jail phone calls? Also, they would not have known there was nothing in the house until after the search was conducted. That was the reason for the searches all on the same night so that evidence could not be moved or destroyed. Just because it was not found that night does not mean anything. It was his address and they knew he used that address for his vehicle, correspondence and bank accounts so they had to include it for that one reason alone.
 
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