Found Safe KY - Charlee Campbell, 2, *autistic* & Pitbull Terrier Named Penny, Bullitt County, 7 Jun 2018

[beatrixpotter]

So many of these cases just remind me of what a horrible drug problem we have in this country.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I hadn't seen this video-- interview with the neighbor that found her: Neighbor finds Bullitt County girl on porch

I thought they found her on a hillside. I didn't realize she walked up to a house and she had a bottle in her hand. Poor baby must have been so hungry and thirsty. The neighbor is standing on his porch in the video. I'm not trying to sleuth his address (don't post it if you can figure it out) but can anyone figure out where this is in relation to Charlee's Grandparents house? How far away? Is it right off a main road where someone could have dropped her off there?

I found the following. It doesn't give the exact address, so I think it is ok to post. It doesn't give a distance at this link, but I think I have read where it was only a number of yards. I'll keep looking for that.

Snipped quote: Charlee Campbell, who will turn 3 next month, was found just after 6 p.m. Friday. A neighbor on Roy Layne Road spotted the little girl and called authorities.

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He said, when he found her, the little girl was dirty and covered in leaves and ticks. She was also extremely dehydrated and quickly drank 1 1/2 bottles of water. He said, beside pointing to the family's dog and saying "puppy" she was quiet.
Bullitt County 2-year-old found alive

Here is a screenshot from a video: I think Roy Layne Road is just underneath the station identification to the bottom right. As a bird flies, it certainly seems close.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Well, I found this one that gives the distance as 1/4 mile. There is a better one, and I must have watched it 10 times today, but it's location seems determined to elude me for the moment.

Snipped Quote: A neighbor spotted Charlee around 6 p.m. Friday less than a quarter-mile from her home.
Bullitt County toddler remains hospitalized after being found safe

 

[MsFacetious]

The officer came out shortly before she was found and said that Charlee was not confirmed to be autistic.

One side of the family said she was and the other side of the family said she was not. So this is NOT something that should be taken as fact.

 

[Truth Prevails]

The officer came out shortly before she was found and said that Charlee was not confirmed to be autistic.

One side of the family said she was and the other side of the family said she was not. So this is NOT something that should be taken as fact.

Yep, here is a supporting quote:

Sheriff Donnie Tinnell @ about 8:30 minutes:
That’s a disputed thing from the family. She is having issues about speaking clearly and forming sentences; but she can say words. So, as far as we know right now, the child doesn’t have autism. That’s what they tell me. So, we don’t have any proof to verify anything on that issue.

(Sorry. I just want to post the link, not insert the video, but no matter what link I try, it converts it to the video).

 

[mom2four717]

Doesn't CPS usually try to find a suitable family member to assume care?

 

[creepcrusher]

Doesn't CPS usually try to find a suitable family member to assume care?

Yes. And it looks like they've already tried that. Grandpa is the only one with custody. Mom is with a violent sex offender, grandmother has a criminal record and dad's been denied visitation.

 

[mom2four717]

Yes. And it looks like they've already tried that. Grandpa is the only one with custody. Mom is with a violent sex offender, grandmother has a criminal record and dad's been denied visitation.

Grandpa has custody but sketchy past Grandma babysits all day I guess? Oooof.

 

[zencompass]

Dear Charlee,

One day, when you are older, you will learn that thousands of strangers sent love and prayers your way for your safe way home.

You may feel surprised and say "really? Am I that important?" . Yes Charlee, you are precious.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Yep, here is a supporting quote:

Sheriff Donnie Tinnell @ about 8:30 minutes:
That’s a disputed thing from the family. She is having issues about speaking clearly and forming sentences; but she can say words. So, as far as we know right now, the child doesn’t have autism. That’s what they tell me. So, we don’t have any proof to verify anything on that issue.

(Sorry. I just want to post the link, not insert the video, but no matter what link I try, it converts it to the video).

Ugh, thanks for sharing that. I watched the clip though and it really sounds like the sheriff is trying to say that because she can say words that supports family that say she doesn't have autism. Which is absolutely not true as far as autism goes. I wonder how this became an issue of dispute between family members. People don't usually claim a child is autistic without a diagnosis in my experience. Usually in part because people spend a long time trying to dismiss glaring developmental problems as still within the range of normal before an actual diagnosis.

I remember when my son was diagnosed as a toddler. My mil tried to say she didn't believe he had autism. But she's not a child psych or child neuro qualified to diagnose anyone. I hope the family didn't just make it up when they called LE though.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Found another article. "Officials originally said Charlee was autistic but Tinnell said Friday that she was not and that she does speak." I wonder who told him kids aren't autistic if they can speak. Either way I hope Charlee gets some proper care with good doctors now!

'I can't believe she survived it': Police confirm 2-year-old Charlee Campbell found safe

 

[PhoneJockey]

Often, doctors and other medical professionals are hesitant to solidly diagnose children this young with autism. They can see signs of it and even start interventions (speech therapy, ruling out hearing and other physical issues, parents as teachers or early childhood programs, etc) but they usually want to make sure they've ruled out everything else before they diagnose that a child is on the spectrum. My stepson is almost 7 and he wasn't formally diagnosed until about a year and a half ago. He had already been receiving interventions, and of course we knew as parents that he was, but they wanted to rule out everything else and give him plenty of time in structured learning environments to see what type of progress he would/wouldn't make.

I'm guessing that Charlee's doctors are seeing signs and they are keeping an eye on things with her, perhaps even introducing interventions but aren't ready to solidify that diagnosis at such a young age, especially since she's had a rocky life in her short time(mother losing custody, not having a dad in her life, etc) which could cause delays.

 

[MsFacetious]

I think what the Sheriff meant was that he had been told she was non verbal, only grunted AND was autistic.

Once that story was refuted that she COULD speak and was not formally diagnosed, he shared that.

It may well be that some family believes she IS, but without a formal diagnosis they can't really say that.

 

[MsFacetious]

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Man, this family must be like mine and started having babies young! My dad was a great grandpa at 60.

Kids are lucky to be able to have great and even great great grandparents around though. I never met any of my great grandparents, my kids met almost all of theirs!

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[Sd8503]

I feel much better about it. More adults to monitor is better!

Man, this family must be like mine and started having babies young! My dad was a great grandpa at 60.

Kids are lucky to be able to have great and even great great grandparents around though. I never met any of my great grandparents, my kids met almost all of theirs!

Yes I agree they must have all started very young! When I first seen the person I was very surprised and I thought no way!! Lol I guess there is though! I wasnt able to meet any of mine so that is a plus to starting young I guess!

 

[Gardener1850]

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Do you have a MSM source for this? Thanks.

 

[Sd8503]

Do you have a MSM source for this? Thanks.

Honestly i have no idea what that is. Im sorry im new!

 

[Kankan]

Honestly i have no idea what that is. Im sorry im new!

Welcome to Websleuths!
MSM=Mainstream Media
If you state something in a comment or give info you have to have a link from msm to prove what you’re saying. It can’t just be from comments you’ve read on social media. It helps keep this a fact based forum.

 

[beatrixpotter]

Environments don't cause delays that mimic autism that a child psychologist, child neurologist or developmental pediatrician aren't able to see through and diagnose. In my experience these specialists also specifically say that a child meeting criteria in the past for an autism diagnose is still an autism diagnosis. You can improve and outgrow certain symptoms. BUT it doesn't change a diagnosis. And they would never dismiss previous symptoms as not applying to a diagnosis.

My own son was diagnosed at just barely 2 yo and his cousin at 3 yo, neither considered severely autistic. Changing environments doesn't change an autism diagnosis and can't improve or change whether a child is autistic. Hesitating to diagnose is usually what causes kids to not get proper treatment and therapy. There is no reason to delay a diagnosis because that's simply not how autism works. And it prevents addressing socials skills early in favor of only focusing on motor skill or speech delays etc. And delayed diagnosis are the opposite of what up to date medical professionals try to do. Unfortunately it looks like Charlee lives in an area that's unlikely to have up to date treatment and probably long waits for specialists.

With that I think I'll just bow out of the autism discussion for now. I did just want to explain that I do know what it's like dealing with young children on the autism spectrum and getting a diagnosis though.

 

[whatsnext]

I guess we'll never know, but I am so curious to know where she and Penny have been during the time they were missing. Maybe we should ask David Paulides? Lol
JMO