Found Safe KY - Charlee Campbell, 2, *autistic* & Pitbull Terrier Named Penny, Bullitt County, 7 Jun 2018

  • #581
Glad she is found safe. Glad to hear the investigation is going to continue to make sure facts are found out.

JMO
I would not be surprised if she was wandering the woods as kids can be resilient sometimes when lost.

If the dog was clean though and she was not then that is suspicous. Just wish the sheriff would not speculate until he gets some facts determined.

If she had ticks then it seems the dog should have had ticks too but if the dog was treated with Frontline or something else then maybe the dog would not have a lot of ticks on it. If there was water pond or creek nearby then dog may have gone in water which could explain why dog was fairly clean.

Lets hope they do a good investigation.

BBM. They should be able to estimate how long she was out there by the engorgement of the ticks. And dogs can clean their fur with a good shake, unless they have been in sticky mud.
 
  • #582
It sounds like she's defending herself. She doesn't wipe away tears until she says "there ain't no reason for me to do something crazy because I can have my daughter whenever I want too". It seems like it's a defense of me, me, me.

Maybe this is an unfair characterization and I'm jaded with so many cases of precious children that are neglected.

I've just listened to the clip and made a hand-written transcript. On first glance I don't see anything to suggest she had anything to do with it.

My own personal analysis of it, for whatever it's worth.

The first question is to ask how she, N, is feeling. The answer N gives is to say she's feeling....lost.

That suggests she considers the baby lost.

When N says it's not a custody battle she shakes her head (no). That suggests she believes what she's saying.

N uses Charlee's name in one place, in other places she says "my daughter". I don't see a flag there.

The interviewer is asking a lot of very directed and leading questions and the interviewer fails to ask anything about Charlee, which is a shame imho. So the concern for Charlee doesn't come out as the priority for N, which would normally be a flag. But after the interviewer asks a question related to the support of the community, N gets emotional and in that answer she does show what I would consider concern for Charlee, she shows informed fear that after 24 hours her daughter might be dead, but she has trouble using the word 'dead' and instead hesitates before she gets out that in a lot of cases after 24 hours "it's a death". I don't consider that an admission, and we know it's not an admission as Charlee was found alive.

That's all my own work., my own analysis and opinions in that and in this conclusion. I'm no expert in statement analysis, I am just developing an interest in it. There might be other things in there that might indicate concern, but I am not skilled enough to pick them out. But in the main question of was the mother involved, my opinion would be, no.
 
  • #583
BBM. They should be able to estimate how long she was out there by the engorgement of the ticks. And dogs can clean their fur with a good shake, unless they have been in sticky mud.

You would think that the dog would have ticks too, if they had been together the entire time.

I know if my dog and I go for a walk in tall grass or a wooded trail he is just as likely to pick up a tick or two as I am.
 
  • #584
You would think that the dog would have ticks too, if they had been together the entire time.

I know if my dog and I go for a walk in tall grass or a wooded trail he is just as likely to pick up a tick or two as I am.
Has anyone said that the dog did not have ticks?
 
  • #585
Has anyone said that the dog did not have ticks?
No one has said that. I would suppose the focus was on Charlee's well-being and not the dog.
 
  • #586
I'm going to try this without offending anyone, but I apologize in advance if I don't succeed. It's been bothering me a bit reading so much criticism of the grandmother because of her past. If drinking automatically makes you unfit to care for a child, I'm afraid a lot of members here (and parents everywhere) would need to have their children removed and not be allowed to see their grandchildren. I've read many times that someone has had a rough day and can't wait for the kids to go to bed so they can have a glass of wine, or a bottle of it, or whatever else they drink. I had a DWI 45 years ago, quit drinking 43 years ago, and my oldest son is 40,but by the standards this woman is being held to, I never should have been allowed to have my boys and shouldn't be allowed around children now.

What I've seen posted was that she'd had some drug charges brought against her, but I didn't see anything saying she'd actually been convicted of anything to do with drugs. I've also seen nothing that leads me to believe that CQ was ever allowed to be alone with Charlee, and he may be the reason her grandfather has custody. The whole cousin thing has me confused. and I hope someone will straighten me out about it. I believe it's been shown that he was a convicted felon, but has it been said what he was convicted of? I'm also trying to figure out why he was taken in, questioned and released if he had a warrant out for him. Was that just part of getting him mixed up with CQ, or do they not always keep someone in custody under those conditions? This whole case has my head spinning.

Something I've been thinking while reading the last few pages is that it is possible that CQ did take her, and Penny followed/tracked them. If he had her somewhere that would cause her to be dirty, covered with leaves and ticks, etc., maybe Penny wasn't in the exact spot but chased him away from her and wouldn't let him near her. He could have been going back to try to get to her, but Penny wouldn't let him. Once Charlee was able to get away from the spot and close to the neighbor's house, Penny could go home and get food and drink. Of course, it doesn't have to be him that did it, but things aren't looking great for him. I'd love to see how Penny would react if she saw him approaching Charlee now.

Anyway, if this post has you anymore confused than you were before reading it, welcome to my world. MOO
 
  • #587

I just watched the full video. OMG I think I love that sheriff! His kind heart really shows. He thanked the FBI for getting involved then humbly gave them ALL the credit for Charlee being found. He didn't sit there and explain everything HE did to find her. He said he believes in his heart of hearts that the FBI are the reason Charlee was found, and got all choked up about it. Some other things he said that REALLY stood out to me:

1. Robert Bailey told the sheriff he'd been at the house till 4:30 AM getting high on meth with grandma. He never saw grandma go to sleep during that time.

2. Grandpa knows that grandma is not sober and continues to leave Charlee in her care.

3. The strange/random text between grandma and RB twenty minutes after he left.

4. Grandma didn't report Charlee missing until nearly two hours after she supposedly woke up.

5. Mom was hiding from LE for hours before she showed up to look for Charlee.

6. Penny was NOT with Charlee when found and was a pretty good distance away from her.

ETA: He also said they are going to check and see if there has been any "Foul Play." I'm not exactly sure if he means violence against Charlie, or if he was talking about the cadaver dogs hitting on the pool.

hmm....
 
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  • #588
1. Robert Bailey told the sheriff he'd been at the house till 4:30 AM getting high on meth with grandma. He never saw grandma go to sleep during that time.

2. Grandpa knows that grandma is not sober and continues to leave Charlee in her care.
I guess I can scrap quite a bit of my last post. I still believe what I said about judging someone without all the facts, but in this case the judgment might be fitting. MOO
 
  • #589
I just watched the full video. OMG I think I love that sheriff! His kind heart really shows. He thanked the FBI for getting involved then humbly gave them ALL the credit for Charlee being found. He didn't sit there and explain everything HE did to find her. He said he believes in his heart of hearts that the FBI are the reason Charlee was found, and got all choked up about it. Some other things he said that REALLY stood out to me:

1. Robert Bailey told the sheriff he'd been at the house till 4:30 AM getting high on meth with grandma. He never saw grandma go to sleep during that time.

2. Grandpa knows that grandma is not sober and continues to leave Charlee in her care.

3. The strange/random text between grandma and RB twenty minutes after he left.

4. Grandma didn't report Charlee missing until nearly two hours after she supposedly woke up.

5. Mom was hiding from LE for hours before she showed up to look for Charlee.

6. Penny was NOT with Charlee when found and was a pretty good distance away from her.

hmm....

Yep, yep, yep... Everyone needs to watch the video with the sheriff. JMO.
 
  • #590
I just watched the full video. OMG I think I love that sheriff! His kind heart really shows. He thanked the FBI for getting involved then humbly gave them ALL the credit for Charlee being found. He didn't sit there and explain everything HE did to find her. He said he believes in his heart of hearts that the FBI are the reason Charlee was found, and got all choked up about it. Some other things he said that REALLY stood out to me:

1. Robert Bailey told the sheriff he'd been at the house till 4:30 AM getting high on meth with grandma. He never saw grandma go to sleep during that time.

2. Grandpa knows that grandma is not sober and continues to leave Charlee in her care.

3. The strange/random text between grandma and RB twenty minutes after he left.

4. Grandma didn't report Charlee missing until nearly two hours after she supposedly woke up.

5. Mom was hiding from LE for hours before she showed up to look for Charlee.

6. Penny was NOT with Charlee when found and was a pretty good distance away from her.

hmm....
Wow.
 
  • #591
I guess I can scrap quite a bit of my last post. I still believe what I said about judging someone without all the facts, but in this case the judgment might be fitting. MOO
I hadn't read your post yet. I'm a little behind and need to catch up after watching the video.
 
  • #592
I guess I can scrap quite a bit of my last post. I still believe what I said about judging someone without all the facts, but in this case the judgment might be fitting. MOO

IMO, previous posts on this thread were not judging grandma (at least my posts we not meant to). We were explaining why Charlee was not just given back to the grandparents after she was found. There are good reasons for it (which the sheriff has been alluding to in other interviews but he really laid it all out in the most recent one). Charlee's safety comes first. If that's being too judgemental, so be it. MOO.
 
  • #593
From the video with the sheriff -

He asks grandma why she waited so long to report Charlee missing because if that was his three year old he would want everyone there looking. Grandma said because she got busy and distracted.
:eek::(
 
  • #594
I just watched the full video. OMG I think I love that sheriff! His kind heart really shows. He thanked the FBI for getting involved then humbly gave them ALL the credit for Charlee being found. He didn't sit there and explain everything HE did to find her. He said he believes in his heart of hearts that the FBI are the reason Charlee was found, and got all choked up about it. Some other things he said that REALLY stood out to me:

1. Robert Bailey told the sheriff he'd been at the house till 4:30 AM getting high on meth with grandma. He never saw grandma go to sleep during that time.

2. Grandpa knows that grandma is not sober and continues to leave Charlee in her care.

3. The strange/random text between grandma and RB twenty minutes after he left.

4. Grandma didn't report Charlee missing until nearly two hours after she supposedly woke up.

5. Mom was hiding from LE for hours before she showed up to look for Charlee.

6. Penny was NOT with Charlee when found and was a pretty good distance away from her.

ETA: He also said they are going to check and see if there has been any "Foul Play." I'm not exactly sure if he means violence against Charlie, or if he was talking about the cadaver dogs hitting on the pool.

hmm....

Thanks for linking the video. At the end of video the sheriff is walking over to a chalkboard to show a diagram of what he thinks happened, then the video ends. Does anyone have a link to the sheriff's diagram explanation?
 
  • #595
From the video with the sheriff -

He asks grandma why she waited so long to report Charlee missing because if that was his three year old he would want everyone there looking. Grandma said because she got busy and distracted.
:eek::(

Yeah. He gives a lot of information in this video. I think he wanted the public to know why he's as skeptical as he is and why Charlee can't go home. He seems to really care about her well being.
 
  • #596
Thanks for linking the video. At the end of video the sheriff is walking over to a chalkboard to show a diagram of what he thinks happened, then the video ends. Does anyone have a link to the sheriff's diagram explanation?

I can't take credit for linking the video. It was cybervampira that originally posted it. I want to see it too. I was disappointed it ended.
 
  • #597
IMO, previous posts on this thread were not judging grandma (at least my posts we not meant to). We were explaining why Charlee was not just given back to the grandparents after she was found. There are good reasons for it (which the sheriff has been alluding to in other interviews but he really laid it all out in the most recent one). Charlee's safety comes first. If that's being too judgemental, so be it. MOO.

I had been withholding judgement until the latest statement from the sheriff but my hunch was that this wasn’t the first time Grandma slept until 10 am.

And a houseguest that arrives in the evening and leaves at 4:30 am that Grandma “forgets” to mention to LE sounded like a party could have been taking place there. Which would give grandma a good reason to “forget” about him being there.
 
  • #598
Without knowing very much about him, I saw one thing that gave me a hopeful feeling about grandpa, that he seemed to care about little Charlee in a very positive way.

I didn't get quite such a positive feeling from grandma, but I was hoping I was being unfair/too suspicious.

I am disappointed but not entirely shocked to read these recent revelations :(
 
  • #599
Without knowing very much about him, I saw one thing that gave me a hopeful feeling about grandpa, that he seemed to care about little Charlee in a very positive way.

I didn't get quite such a positive feeling from grandma, but I was hoping I was being unfair/too suspicious.

I am disappointed but not entirely shocked to read these recent revelations :(

True. And sheriff said grandpa doesn't do drugs.
 
  • #600
While I agree that Charlee needs responsible people to care for her, I am not sure why this has to be played out on the public stage. Surely Charlee has some rights to privacy and the Sheriff does not have to explain his actions to the public.
 

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