Resolved KY - Louisville, *GRAPHIC*, HispMale 35-40, UP91, “Jose from Chicago”, hanged, Sept’04 - namus removed

[MadMcGoo]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP91
Male, Hispanic / Latino

Cloth pendant necklace ​

Date Body Found: September 9, 2004
Location Found: Louisville, Kentucky
Estimated Age: Adult - Pre 40; 35-40
Estimated PMI: Days
Measured Height: 5' 2"(62 inches)
Measured Weight: 119 lbs.
Hair Color: Black with some gray; sparse, black mustache
Eye Color: Brown

Clothing: Black striped shirt with sleeves cut off short, gray sweatpants, and blue briefs
Jewelry: Yellow cloth necklace with black pendant bearing the initial "M" worn around his neck

Circumstances of Recovery: The victim was found hanging. He had recently moved to Louisville from Chicago and was known only as "Jose”.

Dentals: Not available
Fingerprints: Not available.
DNA: Available (FBI NMPDD)

Louisville Metro Police Department
Sergeant Marcus Latham (502) 574-7111
Kentucky Medical Examiner’s Office
Amy Burrows-Beckham (502) 489-5209
ME/C Case Number: ME-04-802
Regional Program Specialist
Amy Jenkinson (817) 304-8873

Sources
NamUs
The Doe Network

Spoiler: POST MORTEM IMAGE

 

[carbuff]

Post-mortem photo at his Namus link: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

It sounds like there were people who knew him, but just didn't know his full name.

 

[MadMcGoo]

That’s the case with a few of these...same with the cloth necklaces. I’d never seen one before, but there are 2 (I’m thinking maybe 3) who had one and both were hanged. 1996 & 2004. Are these popular in the area? Or is there somewhere they could be getting them, maybe a group that passes them out...

I know around here you see that sort of thing but it’s black plastic rosary. Although to my understanding they are not meant to be worn as fashion jewelry. I wasn’t sure if that was the case here. Talk on other threads of migrant workers frequenting some areas of KY throughout the year comes to mind. That would explain people knowing “Jose” but him remaining unidentified...

 

[MadMcGoo]

Contrary to how the PM makes him appear, Jose was a very small guy.

 

[carbuff]

It looks very similar to Catholic devotional scapulars Scapular - Wikipedia

But it looks handmade and the initial doesn't look religious. Unless it's M for the Virgin Mary?

 

[MadMcGoo]

It looks very similar to Catholic devotional scapulars Scapular - Wikipedia

But it looks handmade and the initial doesn't look religious. Unless it's M for the Virgin Mary?

Here’s one of the other ones I’m thinking of... The Doe Network: 1072UMKY . Maybe the other one wasn’t a KY case, but I know it was discussed and it looked very much like these! :thinking:

 

[MadMcGoo]

Texas! Of course. There are a few others I hadn’t seen (outside of KY)

TX - TX - Dallas, Hisp Male 202-5 UP14783 with capula with "M" Mar 1985 and heraldic emblem

CT - CT - Milford, BlkMale UP9152, 35-45, clavicle fracture, religious medallion, Apr'95

GA - GA - Seminole Co., HispMale UP5666, 17-25, felt charm bracelet, Apr'09

 

[carbuff]

Looks like we can safely conclude the dude is probably Hispanic and Catholic.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Is there any state(s) in particular that the migrant workers tend to come from? I know Jose claimed to be from Chicago and he could be but most times some or all of their back story is fabricated.

 

[carbuff]

He could be local, or related to someone local

Fastest-Growing Immigrant Group in Louisville, Kentucky? Cuban Americans

Article about the Cuban population in Louisville.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Fastest-Growing Immigrant Group in Louisville, Kentucky? Cuban Americans

“According to the latest census figures, there were 9,190 Cubans in the Louisville/Jefferson County metropolitan area in 2014. Louisville's share of Cubans was the second highest of any city outside Florida, trailing only the Las Vegas metropolitan area.“

Would never have guessed this!

 

[carbuff]

Would never have guessed this!

I wouldn't either--I was looking for connections between Chicago and Louisville and the Cuban community came up as one.

 

[MadMcGoo]

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[madamx]

He could be local, or related to someone local

Fastest-Growing Immigrant Group in Louisville, Kentucky? Cuban Americans

Article about the Cuban population in Louisville.

Wow, Iam Cuban and totally had NO IDEA of this! A know that recently ( I mean like in the last 7 years or so)they had been going to Nevada but never heard Kentucky. It’s always been Florida (Miami and Hialeah) Texas and Union City NJ.. Very few left here in NY. Thanks for this info Carbuff.

 

[iulia]

The NamUs page for this man has been removed.

 

[Oakie]

Wow, Iam Cuban and totally had NO IDEA of this! A know that recently ( I mean like in the last 7 years or so)they had been going to Nevada but never heard Kentucky. It’s always been Florida (Miami and Hialeah) Texas and Union City NJ.. Very few left here in NY. Thanks for this info Carbuff.

I'm not Cuban, but I travel to Louisville fairly often, and I didn't know about it either. I have to drive there today to pick my wife up at the airport. Maybe we'll eat at Havana Rumba!

 

[MadMcGoo]

I was updating the spreadsheet and saw his NamUs page was down. I wonder if we’ll ever get to know who “Jose from Chicago” was.

 

[Melt71]

I was updating the spreadsheet and saw his NamUs page was down. I wonder if we’ll ever get to know who “Jose from Chicago” was.

@iulia back in March when you posted that the Namus was down, did you notice any MP file disappear at the same time?

 

[iulia]

@iulia back in March when you posted that the Namus was down, did you notice any MP file disappear at the same time?

No MPs that would fit were removed in the same time frame. The closest time-wise were MP7495 Paul Cerniglia, 22yo, missing from Los Angeles County, CA since 10/07/1994 (removed March 28) and MP15679 Jose Guevara Lugue, 38-39 ys, missing from Cameron County, TX since 02/28/2001 (removed February 21-22).

I got a bit excited about JGL but I can't find additional information about him, and I think he may have been identified as UP59024, male found on 01/20/2002 in Brooks County, TX, whose profile was removed in the same time frame.


I didn't search exclusively for men named Jose, but I did I saw the profile for Jose Flores, missing from Chicago since 1994, was removed four days ago. That gave me pause, but the timing doesn't work and other stats don't match either. 5619DMIL - Jose Angel Flores