GUILTY KY - Trey Zwicker, 14, beaten to death, Louisville, 11 May 2011 #2

[TigerBalm]

Bless this child, my heart breaks for her. I pray she is living with a good family.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This Jason inmate seems believable for some reason

I agree. In fact in the end I found them all believable due to accumulative testimonies consistently in the trial.

They have really put themselves out there now and are at risk of great bodily harm. In prison the worst thing ever is to be labeled a snitch. It makes you a marked person. I am sure that is the reason why the other inmate refused to testify. Better to be in contempt of court rather than to be beaten to a bloody pulp or worse.

And why would these men lie? They didn't know Trey nor Josh Young. They received no deals whatsoever.

And even though the other cast of characters that have testified previously are quite seedy it also bolsters their testimony as well because everyone basically is saying that Josh murdered Trey by beating him to death with a bat.


Imo

 

[TigerBalm]

Defense attorney shouldn't even be asking her any questions.

State only asked her about the last time she saw her brother.

 

[aa9511]

This case is so hard because there is no tangible physical evidence so the jury must rely on the credible witness testimony (of which there are so few that are directly related and not law enforcement) and ones own comon sense.
Imo
Credible witnesses:
Terry Zwicker , Trey's Dad
Elderly kidnapped woman
Inmate from out of state

When you narrow it down like that the comonwealth's case is very weak, imho.

Are there any other credible testimonies, in your opinions that I missed?

I haven't gotten to the inmates yet...but so far I guess I'm in the minority but I actually think a lot of the witnesses, with huge exception of Josh Gouker, have been credible.

Amanda - I think only things she fudged were things with Gouker embarrassing to her and sometimes she minimized her relationship with Gouker.

Jahaira - I think she was believable and she was not that close with Gouker to be under his control other than on the trip.

Elderly lady - Believable, but I think she made an honest mistake that Angelique passed the gun to Gouker. I think she viewed Angelique and Gouker as the team, and Young as an innocent child caught up in everything. So it would be natural that she would think that Angelique passed the gun to him.

John R - believable.

Cassie - I thought she was believable, and felt like she wanted to do the right thing now.

Angelique - believable, but I think she is the one still the most attached/infatuated to Gouker, so unsure about her.

 

[Agatha_C]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 1m

Makenzie testifying about the last time she saw Trey. Quick. Defense already crossing. This is heartbreaking #JoshYoung @WLKY

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 1m

Little sister said Trey left that night "like he was in a hurry." Defense asking her about what she has been told about trial

 

[Agatha_C]

Paige Quiggins WDRB ‏@PaigeWDRB 38s

Defense asking the 5th grader what she remembers about what happened the night her big brother, #treyzwicker, was murdered.

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 1m

Trey's sister is just in the 5th grade. #JoshYoung @WLKY

 

[digitalwindows]

Treys sister...I want to cry

My Gish! Me too

 

[Jewels53]

Defense attorney shouldn't even be asking her any questions.

State only asked her about the last time she saw her brother.

I agree 110% he is totally out of line with this witness, She is too young to be doing this to her.

 

[Thundar]

Well thank you Tiger for that youtube linky.....I am sort of caught up!

From this morning......Witness John Robertson has an x-box and a playstation at his house that all the kids were playing the night of the murder. He named off names of the people there but could not remember the names of 3 of the boys.

Witness, Cassie, and their two children all sleep together in one bed upstairs that might be a queen bed....but it is big.....Witness also never woke up that night!

Witness found out that Cassie and Gouker were having relations after Gouker had been incarcerated for about 2 months.

Witness was also told by Gouker the morning after the murder before the body was found that young Josh had killed Trey.

Witness Embry was incarcerated with Gouker for a while.....the best part of his testimony was when the defense attorney asked him, "What he did NOT recall." The Judge answered with...You cannot ask a witness to recall what he cannot recall.....defense attorney then said....that was rather ironic wasn't it? LOL

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 1m

Makenzie testifying about the last time she saw Trey. Quick. Defense already crossing. This is heartbreaking #JoshYoung @WLKY

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 1m

Little sister said Trey left that night "like he was in a hurry." Defense asking her about what she has been told about trial

This may be one of the worst mistakes the defense has made. He should have left her alone and asked no questions.

She sounds so young and innocent.

 

[TigerBalm]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0jZmrz2P2E"]Joshua Young Trial. Day 5. Part 2[/ame]

 

[Agatha_C]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 1m

Defense asks Trey's little sis to read statement she made to social worker after Trey's death. Prosecution objects #JoshYoung @WLKY

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 49s

Defense: what did you tell her? Sister: I don't remember what I told her..that much. #JoshYoung @WLKY

 

[TigerBalm]

Now the jurors have questions for her

I hope not too many, this poor innocent child

 

[Agatha_C]

Jason Riley ‏@jasonrileyCJ 45s

Defense asking Trey's sister about a statement she gave. She doesn't remember. Jury questions coming up

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 34s

Attorneys down with Trey's sister. Jurors have a few questions for her. #JoshYoung @WLKY

 

[Cappuccino]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 1m

Defense asks Trey's little sis to read statement she made to social worker after Trey's death. Prosecution objects #JoshYoung @WLKY

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 49s

Defense: what did you tell her? Sister: I don't remember what I told her..that much. #JoshYoung @WLKY

Poor girl. Please don't tell me he's going to start questioning her about sexual abuse.

 

[Agatha_C]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 28s

Jury questions: "Was Josh Young at your house that night? I don't know. Did you hear either Josh come back to house that night? I don't know

 

[Thundar]

Juror questions....Did Josh Gouker ever come out and play video games while you were on the couch? No he did not.......that blows Gouker out of the water!

 

[Agatha_C]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 48s

Jury questions: "Did Josh Gouker ever come out that night to play video games?" No..he never did.

Paige Quiggins WDRB ‏@PaigeWDRB 17s

Zwicker's little sister says she did not hear Josh Young Josh Gouker the night of the murder when she was sleeping on the couch

 

[TigerBalm]

States witness, Jeanne Goodman

 

[Agatha_C]

Marissa Alter ‏@WLKYMarissa 53s

Next witness for prosecution: Jean Goodman. #JoshYoung @WLKY