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[djanga]

sounds like you have great knowledge of the surnames and serbian dna project.

maybe the slavic village historic records don't include those with serbian names like those suggested for this uid. however, just what i've seen online there has been quite the serbian population in cleveland since the 60's... maybe there are records within the st sava serbian orthodox church. anyway, there are serbfests, and other great activity within the serb population in cleveland. but, of course, i don't have your knowledge of the names... i don't know just regular serbian names vs other names from non-regular serbian regions.

Serbians in Cleveland | Cleveland Serbs

People, culture, music, food and traditions of the Serbs, Serbians and Serbian-American community in Cleveland Ohio and beyond. Culture, music, people and information on Serbia and Serbians in Cleveland

www.clevelandpeople.com

I think these articles refer to a more recent Serbian population in Ohio. Our John Doe was born in the 1950s or 1960s, so either he or his parents moved to Ohio if the first Serbian population began arriving there in the 1960s. It still seems more plausible that he was from a different state.

 

[fred&edna]

I think these articles refer to a more recent Serbian population in Ohio. Our John Doe was born in the 1950s or 1960s, so either he or his parents moved to Ohio if the first Serbian population began arriving there in the 1960s. It still seems more plausible that he was from a different state.

we don't know when this uid arrived or if he was born in the us.... nor do we know where he/his family was settled. but, the serbian population in cleveland has a long history.... and that's really my only point regarding cleveland... which is supported by the link below.

on another note, i suppose i am not alone in noticing serbian residents living in cincinnati ohio with the last name Ljubisavljevic... with z ljubisavljevic passing in 2011 and had children born in the us in the late 50's. but, i can't find any solid links to a missing person within the family. however, i haven't searched for info regarding the grandchildren mentioned in his obit.




As children were born to the immigrants, other organizations were needed. In 1909 St. Sava Lodge organized St. Sava Church so that Cleveland Serbs could observe their religious and ethnic customs. A succession of houses served as churches until 1919, when the community purchased a German Lutheran church on E. 36th St.

The migration immediately following World War II was markedly different from the earlier one. Nearly all the immigrants were displaced persons, people who had been prisoners of war in Germany and did not want to return to a Communist Yugoslavia, or political refugees such as Chetniks who fled Yugoslavia after their military defeat. Many were from Serbia proper and were schooled professionals from urban backgrounds. With their strong commitment to Serbian culture and their large numbers (over 700 came to Cleveland between 1949-52), they instilled new life into Cleveland's Serbian community. They formed new organizations, cultural, fraternal, and political, and strengthened the St. Sava Serbian Orthodox parish.

From the 1960s through the mid-1980s a large number of Serbs immigrated to Cleveland from Yugoslavia, as Yugoslav emigration policy was liberalized

SERBS | Encyclopedia of Cleveland History | Case Western Reserve University

SERBS. Although the Serbs are not one of Cleveland's largest ethnic groups, they have made themselves widely known throughout the city. Serbian immigr...

case.edu

jmo

 

[djanga]

we don't know when this uid arrived or if he was born in the us.... nor do we know where he/his family was settled. but, the serbian population in cleveland has a long history.... and that's really my only point regarding cleveland... which is supported by the link below.

on another note, i suppose i am not alone in noticing serbian residents living in cincinnati ohio with the last name Ljubisavljevic... with z ljubisavljevic passing in 2011 and had children born in the us in the late 50's. but, i can't find any solid links to a missing person within the family. however, i haven't searched for info regarding the grandchildren mentioned in his obit.




As children were born to the immigrants, other organizations were needed. In 1909 St. Sava Lodge organized St. Sava Church so that Cleveland Serbs could observe their religious and ethnic customs. A succession of houses served as churches until 1919, when the community purchased a German Lutheran church on E. 36th St.

The migration immediately following World War II was markedly different from the earlier one. Nearly all the immigrants were displaced persons, people who had been prisoners of war in Germany and did not want to return to a Communist Yugoslavia, or political refugees such as Chetniks who fled Yugoslavia after their military defeat. Many were from Serbia proper and were schooled professionals from urban backgrounds. With their strong commitment to Serbian culture and their large numbers (over 700 came to Cleveland between 1949-52), they instilled new life into Cleveland's Serbian community. They formed new organizations, cultural, fraternal, and political, and strengthened the St. Sava Serbian Orthodox parish.

From the 1960s through the mid-1980s a large number of Serbs immigrated to Cleveland from Yugoslavia, as Yugoslav emigration policy was liberalized

SERBS | Encyclopedia of Cleveland History | Case Western Reserve University

SERBS. Although the Serbs are not one of Cleveland's largest ethnic groups, they have made themselves widely known throughout the city. Serbian immigr...

case.edu

jmo

From what I see on the DDP poster, his matches reside in the U.S., I always think from the point of view of the probabilities, I think seeing his matches living in the US, I would think he has an extended family there. There are some other Does the forensic genealogy is working on where the closest matches are in Europe. But I mean, yes,we should check all the possibilities

 

[MarziPanda]

From what I see on the DDP poster, his matches reside in the U.S., I always think from the point of view of the probabilities, I think seeing his matches living in the US, I would think he has an extended family there. There are some other Does the forensic genealogy is working on where the closest matches are in Europe. But I mean, yes,we should check all the possibilities

To be fair, DNA tests are very uncommon in Serbia. There are likely to be hardly any Serbians in GEDmatch to begin with. So it would make sense that his closest matches would be distant US relations, even if he was born in Serbia. I'm from the UK and many of my matches in GEDmatch are distant US matches.

 

[djanga]

To be fair, DNA tests are very uncommon in Serbia. There are likely to be hardly any Serbians in GEDmatch to begin with. So it would make sense that his closest matches would be distant US relations, even if he was born in Serbia. I'm from the UK and many of my matches in GEDmatch are distant US matches.

Yes, I was thinking about that too! But I believe the difference is that he is Slavic, and Slavic populations are underrepresented on GEDmatch. We can see this in the case of the recently identified Nathaniel Dabrowski from Ohio, whose highest match was only 45 cM. I'm also somewhat Slavic, and my highest GEDmatch matches aren't from the US—they're from Scandinavia and Russia.

Also I think his highest match is 3rd cousin and it sounds she/he lives in the US: John Doe’s closest DNA match is an approximate third cousin with recent Croatian and Serbian ancestry,” said Missy Koski, team leader on the case

 

[MarziPanda]

Yes, I was thinking about that too! But I believe the difference is that he is Slavic, and Slavic populations are underrepresented on GEDmatch. We can see this in the case of the recently identified Nathaniel Dabrowski from Ohio, whose highest match was only 45 cM. I'm also somewhat Slavic, and my highest GEDmatch matches aren't from the US—they're from Scandinavia and Russia.

Also I think his highest match is 3rd cousin and it sounds she/he lives in the US: John Doe’s closest DNA match is an approximate third cousin with recent Croatian and Serbian ancestry,” said Missy Koski, team leader on the case

If the closest match is a second or even third generation immigrant, though (which probably are, since they have 'recent Croatian and Serbian ancestry') I don't think it matters that much if they were born in the US or not.

A man born in Serbia who uploads to GEDmatch probably is going to have more US matches than matches living in Serbia, even if that's a third cousin, because the numbers of matches living in Serbia will probably be near zero. It's very possible for, say, his grandmother's brother to have moved to the US and had grandchildren that would be these matches - whilst the rest of the family continued to live in Serbia. I think near enough everyone in Europe will have American matches because of the history of immigration

Similarly, my half brother is half Indian, his mother is from a small village in India. All his maternal matches were born and live in the US or UK. The number of Indian matches he has on GEDmatch are in the single figures, distant matches, because nobody over there has tested. So if his mum took a test, even though she was born and raised in India, her matches wouldn't reflect that.

I do think our guy is probably second or third gen though, with parents or grandparents born in Croatia/Serbia. I think the main point is he doesn't seem to be 'mixed', so his family either hasn't been in the US very long, or they only married other Serbs/Croats. Which is possible (cultures do like to stick together) but seems unlikely if his family has been in the US for a couple hundred years. And there would probably also be more cousins who had tested if that were the case.

I guess the TL-DR is that we don't know, lol. Hopefully he will be ID'd before long, and then we'll know.