Kyle Clifford: Wanted in connection with triple murder in Bushey, 3 women murdered in home, 9th July 2024 *arrest*

  • #381
Being locked in a cage like a rabid animal
is fate worse than death IMO.

And to think he brought it all upon himself by himself :oops:

For a young man fixated on power and control
Fate couldn't be more fair
sentencing this creature
to lifetime of being dependent on mercy of others.

JMO
 
  • #382
<modsnip> What do others think? All the time and huge expense of a trial plus precious nhs resources wasted on this person
Only for him to end up with a cushy life in jail and possibly even get released early as we have seen happen recently JMO
He won't be released early. He'll almost certainly get a whole life order.
 
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  • #383
<modsnip>. What do others think? All the time and huge expense of a trial plus precious nhs resources wasted on this person
Only for him to end up with a cushy life in jail and possibly even get released early as we have seen happen recently JMO
Yes. I think this was the act of someone who enjoys inflicting terror and fear on other people. Worse than psychopaths who may lack empathy, I think this was one of those acts that was so heinous it almost defies belief. If the universe had taken this perpetrator I think the world would have been better off. I think he is likely to go on and seek vulnerable victims in prison and continue to cause harm as long as he can. MOO.
 
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  • #384
I can’t say I’m over the moon that my taxes are spent on his lawyers / trial/ rehabilitation / NHS and no doubt his long prison spell but that’s the way it is in a civilised democracy.
JMO.
 
  • #385
The Royal Courts of Justice is a strange venue for a hearing is it not? I didn't think they dealt with criminal matters
I believe it’s because a decision needed to be made about where it would be held due to him being a wheelchair user.
 
  • #386
Well we don't know yet if there's going to be a trial as he's only recently been charged and had his initial appearances in magistrates and crown court and therefore hasn't entered pleas yet.

Also there is no way he would be eligible for anything resembling the 'early release' scheme as murder carries a mandatory life sentence.
I do not share the same trust as you do. Having read about the pilot who killed his wife up for parole and violent criminals released and reoffending and many un-tagged that should be. (UK) JMO I realise this topic is sliding over to other cases
 
  • #387
One of the criteria for a whole life order is "murder of two or more persons, involving a substantial degree of premeditation, abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct".

I'd say he qualifies on three of those grounds.
 
  • #388
One of the criteria for a whole life order is "murder of two or more persons, involving a substantial degree of premeditation, abduction of the victim, or sexual or sadistic conduct".

I'd say he qualifies on three of those grounds.
Possibly. Whole life orders are still very rare even for multiple murders. Ian Huntley didn't get one for example. Only around about 70 people are presently serving whole life orders - less than 1% of murder convictions result in them.

It is a very public multiple murder with aggravating factors, so I'd not be shocked if he got one, but I'd not be shocked if he didn't either.
 
  • #389
Possibly. Whole life orders are still very rare even for multiple murders. Ian Huntley didn't get one for example. Only around about 70 people are presently serving whole life orders - less than 1% of murder convictions result in them.

It is a very public multiple murder with aggravating factors, so I'd not be shocked if he got one, but I'd not be shocked if he didn't either.

Hopefully he will get at least 40 plus years.
 
  • #390
ADMIN NOTE:

Remember, this case is in the UK and therefore it is sub judice.

We can not state something regarding the guilt or innocence of the accused. IOW, we can not state an allegation as fact, i.e. we can't say "He did this or that". We can say "It is alleged the accused did this ..."

Sub Judice 101:

Sub judice is in effect from the time of arrest and throughout the judicial process:

Please stick to discussing the trial content without posting anything that violates the following principles:

Basically anything that may prejudice the accused’s right to a fair trial
Any suggestion, opinion, or direct accusation that the accused is either guilty OR innocent
(i.e. the accused cannot be called "the killer". Instead use "the accused", "the alleged killer", or "the defendant")
A defendant’s previous history of any offences is off limits
Scandalizing the court (disparaging judges, lawyers, any officer of the Court) is off limits
Broadcasting anything about proceedings which happen in the jury's absence is off limits
Any non compliance with an Order of the court is off limits

In the event of an Appeal subsequent to verdict:

Appeals are usually heard by senior judges who are not likely to be influenced by the media, therefore responsible comment is usually considered acceptable once a trial has concluded, regardless of if there is going to be an appeal.


Reference: UK Contempt of Court Act 1981
 
  • #391
  • #392
Does a victim's word count for nothing then? One of them was able to call the emergency services and was still alive when they arrived.
 
  • #393
Possibly. Whole life orders are still very rare even for multiple murders. Ian Huntley didn't get one for example. Only around about 70 people are presently serving whole life orders - less than 1% of murder convictions result in them.

It is a very public multiple murder with aggravating factors, so I'd not be shocked if he got one, but I'd not be shocked if he didn't either.
Whole life tariffs weren't really a thing in 2002. The minimum tariffs for multiple murders have been raised considerably over the past 20 years.
 
  • #394
I would absolutely bet on him getting a whole life order. I really don't think life in jail will be 'cushy' for him either, especially not after paralysing himself. I think he'll be very frustrated that he didn't kill himself.
In one way I'd rather he had died but I'm also glad he didn't get away with it.
 
  • #395

Kyle Clifford, 26, from Enfield, north London, who was arrested after being found injured in a cemetery near his home on 10 July, appeared at Cambridge Crown Court via video link on Thursday.

The defendant did not enter a plea during the 15-minute mention hearing.

No date for a further hearing was fixed but, the judge said, another hearing might be staged in early December.
 
  • #396
For the offences he committed he deserves a whole life order without doubt. I'd be very angry if he didn't. Familicide and without any aggravating circumstances.
 
  • #397
Clifford, of Rendlesham Road, Enfield, was not asked for pleas when he appeared by prison videolink from Belmarsh.

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Kyle Clifford. (Image: Elizabeth Cook/PA Wire)

The judge, Mr Justice Johnson, said his preference was for a plea hearing on December 5 with the defendant to be produced to court.

He added that he would need to make enquiries before a date could be fixed.

 
  • #398
The defendant, who was in a wheelchair, did not enter a plea during the 15-minute mention hearing.

 
  • #399
The defendant, who was in a wheelchair, did not enter a plea during the 15-minute mention hearing.

Wonder why he's in a wheelchair? Attacked in prison? Or feigning something...
 
  • #400
Wonder why he's in a wheelchair? Attacked in prison? Or feigning something...
He is paralysed from a self-inflicted wound from before he was caught, when the police closed in on him.
 

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