Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2020 - 2022

[katydid23]

I think where I find this to falter is, when is she supposed to have done this, and where was she when she was waiting for whatever she gave him to take effect? Benadryl isn't instantaneous and her schedule is pretty tight as is.

She had plenty of time to do this. She could have given him a milkshake or juice cup immediately upon driving away from school. Or she may have given it to him at school, as they were walking around the science fair, or whenever.

Benadryl begins it's affects w/in about 30 to 45 minutes if it is the correct amount. If it is tripled or doubled, it may begin working even quicker. It makes kids drowsy.

If she gave it to him as they were leaving school, he would be getting tired just about the time they arrived at the store parking lot. She could have easily given him a blanket and told him to rest, and waited for him to fall asleep.

 

[Truth Prevails]

We don't know for a certainty that nothing was found in the F250 when it was twice towed and searched by LE.

Snipped quote: Additionally, Young said Horman made several odd statements, including one about possible physical evidence in the case.

“She was talking about DNA in the back of the truck and I just thought, ‘How are you not upset by this?” Young said. “Why would there by Kyron’s DNA in the back of the truck? I don’t understand. It was upsetting me, but she was not skipping a beat, she was talking about it like it was nothing, trying to justify it.”

2019: Kyron Horman’s mom to release book, shares new details about investigation

Nine years after the Portland boy disappeared, Kyron Horman’s mother Desiree Young said the investigation is “very active,” with recent searches and new evidence.

www.kgw.com

 

[Truth Prevails]

Dramamine or Benadryl could put him to sleep. Alcohol in the suggested milkshake could work.

IIRC it was said that TH had a drinking problem? Had she been giving Kyron alcohol to cause him to go to sleep at home?

jmho ymmv lrr

BBM In my opinion, yes.

Snipped quote: On July 10, 2005, she was pulled over by police on Interstate 5 near Woodburn just after 6 p.m. Given a breath test, she registered 0.15. Under Oregon law, it is illegal to drive with a blood alcohol level of 0.08 percent or more.

Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions

The missing boy's stepmother, focus of the inquiry into his disappearance, is described as a giver and a taker, caring but controlling, sweet but manipulative.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[Truth Prevails]

The first I ever heard of Kyron being with a "man" at the school was from Terri herself, in emails she wrote the day after Kyron's disappearance. Is this the man she claims took him? Or was it a different man?

Again, if anyone saw this man, why wasn't a description put out? Someone must have told Terri about this man, why didn't Terri put out the description?


was seen with a male chaperone and two girls after she left Skyline School on June 4, the morning the boy disappeared.

New Terri Moulton Horman e-mails detail day of Kyron Horman's disappearance

In personal e-mails obtained by KATU, Terri Moulton Horman vents to an unidentified person about being targeted by bloggers who've implicated her in Kyron's disappearance. "I just want to scream."

www.oregonlive.com

I notice she doesn't say who it was that saw Kyron with the "male chaperone". She must have been protecting her sources. I'm pretty sure the "lead" was quickly dismissed, with good reason.

Although he could still be a prime suspect in her mind. It's hard to say.

He must have only been interested in Kyron as no other children were reported missing that day.

The two girls should have had a lot to say if it really happened.

 

[ReadySet]

I think where I find this to falter is, when is she supposed to have done this, and where was she when she was waiting for whatever she gave him to take effect? Benadryl isn't instantaneous and her schedule is pretty tight as is.

I was giving my opinion on what Terri could have used to subdue Kyron; why she would have had it and what she did with it. It's an OTC med. Easy to throw away the bottle.

 

[Laughing]

I think where I find this to falter is, when is she supposed to have done this, and where was she when she was waiting for whatever she gave him to take effect? Benadryl isn't instantaneous and her schedule is pretty tight as is.

Are you a parent, or someone who has experience with young children?

TH parented Kyron for years. She would know how different OTC and prescription medications worked for him, how long meds took to start working, how much to give, how long to wait.

Is the tight timeline designed to maximize the effect of some drug Terri chose??? She hands him the doped juice as they all pull into the parking space at school, knowing she has 45 minutes to return to the truck with him walking before she has to carry both kids?

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[OddOneOut]

Did anyone check TH's receipts on her credit cards to see what she purchased in the weeks prior to Kyron going missing?

 

[Laughing]

Did anyone check TH's receipts on her credit cards to see what she purchased in the weeks prior to Kyron going missing?

Ooooohhhh -- no idea. A Mom with 2 kids picking up a bottle of Benadryl or Dramamine here & there wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

IIRC, LE checked her receipts & the store records for the day of his disappearance, surely they've checked the weeks prior?

Weren't there problems with excessive spending around that time?

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[Truth Prevails]

Ooooohhhh -- no idea. A Mom with 2 kids picking up a bottle of Benadryl or Dramamine here & there wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

IIRC, LE checked her receipts & the store records for the day of his disappearance, surely they've checked the weeks prior?

Weren't there problems with excessive spending around that time?

jmho ymmv lrr

I think it would be standard procedure for law enforcement to subpoena all records such as credit cards, bank statements, cell phone records, computer records, etc., for an approved time period for the person who was the main focus of their investigation. I'm not saying at that point in time they would have had the right to go back five or ten years, but certainly for at least 30 days. In my opinion.

Snipped quote: Last week KGW reported that investigators have been using Terri Horman's cell phone and email records to see who she was in contact with just before and after the disappearance of Kyron.

Terri Horman agrees to leave house

Kyron's parents said they expected 'heavy' obligations for police this week in Kyron Horman case.

www.kgw.com

And from the following statement from Kaine, it seems he felt her spending habits were excessive:

Snipped quote: "Controlling with my money — yeah," Kaine said, "because she was spending all of it. She was going out and spending it like water and not checking with me where we should be spending our money."

Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions

The missing boy's stepmother, focus of the inquiry into his disappearance, is described as a giver and a taker, caring but controlling, sweet but manipulative.

www.oregonlive.com

And, strictly, in my own opinion only, the following suggests to me that at some point in time they received enough evidence of her involvement in Kyron's disappearance to investigate every dirty little secret she ever thought she hid:

Snipped quote: Police unexpectedly contacted Rea in 2011, ...

Terri Horman's ex-boyfriend alleges murder-for-hire plot in 1990

Detectives in Roseburg are investigating allegations of a murder-for-hire plot involving Terri Horman that occurred nearly 30 years ago – long before her stepson Kyron Horman disappeared.

www.wthr.com

This would certainly have given them the right:
Snipped quote: Kaine Horman says he's learned from law enforcement officials that more than one circuit judge had found probable cause exists to implicate his estranged wife in Kyron's disappearance and in a murder-for-hire plot.

Kaine Horman calls his estranged wife 'severely emotionally disturbed,' releases more texts between Terri Horman and Michael Cook

"I believe that Respondent is severely emotionally disturbed and unfit to parent Kiara. Her actions are horrifying and unexplainable,'' Kaine Horman wrote. "Kiara's physical and emotional safety are now at extreme risk.''

www.oregonlive.com

 

[ReadySet]

I think it would be standard procedure for law enforcement to subpoena all records such as credit cards, bank statements, cell phone records, computer records, etc., for an approved time period for the person who was the main focus of their investigation. I'm not saying at that point in time they would have had the right to go back five or ten years, but certainly for at least 30 days. In my opinion.

Snipped quote: Last week KGW reported that investigators have been using Terri Horman's cell phone and email records to see who she was in contact with just before and after the disappearance of Kyron.

Terri Horman agrees to leave house

Kyron's parents said they expected 'heavy' obligations for police this week in Kyron Horman case.

www.kgw.com

And from the following statement from Kaine, it seems he felt her spending habits were excessive:

Snipped quote: "Controlling with my money — yeah," Kaine said, "because she was spending all of it. She was going out and spending it like water and not checking with me where we should be spending our money."

Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions

The missing boy's stepmother, focus of the inquiry into his disappearance, is described as a giver and a taker, caring but controlling, sweet but manipulative.

www.oregonlive.com

And, strictly, in my own opinion only, the following suggests to me that at some point in time they received enough evidence of her involvement in Kyron's disappearance to investigate every dirty little secret she ever thought she hid:

Snipped quote: Police unexpectedly contacted Rea in 2011, ...

Terri Horman's ex-boyfriend alleges murder-for-hire plot in 1990

Detectives in Roseburg are investigating allegations of a murder-for-hire plot involving Terri Horman that occurred nearly 30 years ago – long before her stepson Kyron Horman disappeared.

www.wthr.com

This would certainly have given them the right:
Snipped quote: Kaine Horman says he's learned from law enforcement officials that more than one circuit judge had found probable cause exists to implicate his estranged wife in Kyron's disappearance and in a murder-for-hire plot.

Kaine Horman calls his estranged wife 'severely emotionally disturbed,' releases more texts between Terri Horman and Michael Cook

"I believe that Respondent is severely emotionally disturbed and unfit to parent Kiara. Her actions are horrifying and unexplainable,'' Kaine Horman wrote. "Kiara's physical and emotional safety are now at extreme risk.''

www.oregonlive.com

LOL I just ran across the story about the alleged murder for hire plot of Terri's boyfriend in 1990 myself. I don't remember that one at all. Interesting....

 

[Truth Prevails]

LOL I just ran across the story about the alleged murder for hire plot of Terri's boyfriend in 1990 myself. I don't remember that one at all. Interesting....

I didn't pay it much attention until recently. I guess I had shrugged it off as just another of her murder-for-hire plots and I didn't realize the significance until I came across the link from KGW8 explaining how Kyle Iboshi had become aware that a new investigative grand jury on Kyron's case had been impaneled in 2017 and was reviewing various evidence, with one of the items on their schedule being this murder-for-hire plot dating back to 1990. I was surprised. (In a good way).

I'm enthralled with the information contained in the "letter" denying Mr. Iboshi's public records request appeal for the sheriff's report of the 1990 murder-for-hire plot. Which LE had known about since 2011.

Kyron's case was relatively active around the time the 1990 murder-for-hire plot became public knowledge (April 2017). Her interview with Dr. Phil was around September 2016, and law enforcement did two searches around July 2017--one near the golf course on Highway 30; and the other between NW Skyline Blvd and NW 128th Ave.

Probably that's why an "old" murder-for-hire plot didn't seem that interesting.

 

[minazoe]

"just another of her murder for hire plots" ... LOLZ

 

[minazoe]

Terri has the face of a hardened criminal, some people are born this way , she should be locked up ..she is a danger to society. mOO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

Terri has the face of a hardened criminal, some people are born this way , she should be locked up ..she is a danger to society. mOO

I'm happy that she's not locked up. There's no conviction, no charges, no indictment, no probable cause for anything. No evidence for her involvement has been released. People shouldn't be locked up because we don't like their faces.

 

[minazoe]

well, no but murder for hire plots, threats with knives, these things can and should be prosecuted. and yeah I don't like her smug face. mOO

 

[FergusMcDuck]

well, no but murder for hire plots, threats with knives, these things can and should be prosecuted. and yeah I don't like her smug face. mOO

There seems to be even less evidence for murder for hire plots, since LE either hasn't gone for an indictment, or doesn't have anything like probable cause, and charging her for those "plots" would not harm any future case for the abduction. The inaction of LE speaks volumes.

When a person has been demonized by media for years, people tend to come out of the woodwork to add their own bit of gossip to the mix.

 

[minazoe]

it's serious enough to pull a grand jury, and serious enough that many people, professionals in the field of law enforcement and criminal justice , believe Terri murdered that child..so not just gossip but an actual circumstantial case. mOO

 

[OddOneOut]

it's serious enough to pull a grand jury, and serious enough that many people, professionals in the field of law enforcement and criminal justice , believe Terri murdered that child..so not just gossip but an actual circumstantial case. mOO

"believe Terri murdered that child" is not evidence. I realize the probability of Kyron being murdered is very high; however, there is no proof that he is dead or that TH killed him. I thought Jaycee Dugard was dead too. Two of the three women in Cleveland were believed dead. The girl who's father locked her in a basement for years and had children with her was probably believed dead. I suspect that police didn't find any evidence of Kyron being dead in the truck or they would have arrested her.

 

[Truth Prevails]

it's serious enough to pull a grand jury, and serious enough that many people, professionals in the field of law enforcement and criminal justice , believe Terri murdered that child..so not just gossip but an actual circumstantial case. mOO

Yes, absolutely. The knock on her door could come at any moment. IMO

Snipped quote, Page 6:
First, the investigation involves the crime of Solicitation to Commit Murder. That offense has no statute of limitations and charges can be brought at any time under Oregon law. Second, these reports contain potential evidence, witnesses, and information that is helpful for developing leads as to the investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman.


Snipped quote, Page 7:
Furthermore, the evidence contained in MCSO report 11-401045 could be offered into evidence in a future criminal prosecution (in either a guilt or punishment phase of a criminal case) regarding the Kyron Horman disappearance.


Snipped quote, Page 7, Cases quoted for reference:
… (and the admissibility of other acts evidence in criminal cases);

… (discussing the state’s burden to prove the probability of “future dangerousness” in certain capital cases).

 

[FergusMcDuck]

it's serious enough to pull a grand jury, and serious enough that many people, professionals in the field of law enforcement and criminal justice , believe Terri murdered that child..so not just gossip but an actual circumstantial case. mOO

Putting your case before a grand jury isn't a sign of seriousness. The grand jury is there to determine if probable cause exists, and if it does, return a true bill. It hasn't done so in this case, or for any of the murder for hire plots. If it had, that would have been a sign of seriousness.

What LE individuals personally believe is also irrelevant without evidence. There have been plenty of cases when LE have (based on intuition, or hunches or the like) believed in a person's guilt and turned out to have been completely wrong.

Evidence matters.