Kyron Horman General Discussion thread 2023 - 2026

[minazoe]

Here's where I get caught up on the pedophile killer kidnap from school theories.

this unknown person's car was never seen or identified
an unknown person was not noticed by anyone
Kyron was never seen with an unknown person

Kyron was only seen with Terri
Terri's car was noticed
Terri was identified as the person in the parking lot with Kyron.

so, I don't believe an unknown predator left the building with Kyron.
I don't believe an unknown predator targeted the only child who had a FAKE doctor's appointment
that morning.

mOO

 

[minazoe]

just adding, I think he was told he had a doctors appointment and so was the teacher, this way there would be no obvious change of plans that day or arguments about leaving. Kyron left with Terri to go to the doctor.

Terri says there was no doctor appointment, that is a mistake.

yes, Terri! it is a mistake. Your mistake. mOO

 

[Diddian]

just adding, I think he was told he had a doctors appointment and so was the teacher, this way there would be no obvious change of plans that day or arguments about leaving. Kyron left with Terri to go to the doctor.

Terri says there was no doctor appointment, that is a mistake.

yes, Terri! it is a mistake. Your mistake. mOO

Here's a question: If TMH was driving the white pickup On June 4, 2010 because she planned to pickup Kyron and his Science Fair project at the end of the day (the reason she gave Kaine for needing the pickup), then after TMH emailed the teacher and learned that Science Fair projects were to be picked up some later date, HOW was Kyron supposed to receive the message that he was to get on the bus rather than wait for his mother to pick him up with his project?

What was the basis for TMH and Kaine expecting Kyron to be on that bus if Kyron began school that day under the assumption that he and his project were going home in the pickup?

Any attempt to get a message to Kyron would have surfaced the reality that he wasn't there at school once classes began.

 

[Maat99]

Here's where I get caught up on the pedophile killer kidnap from school theories.

this unknown person's car was never seen or identified
an unknown person was not noticed by anyone
Kyron was never seen with an unknown person

Kyron was only seen with Terri
Terri's car was noticed
Terri was identified as the person in the parking lot with Kyron.

so, I don't believe an unknown predator left the building with Kyron.
I don't believe an unknown predator targeted the only child who had a FAKE doctor's appointment
that morning.

mOO

Ita. I also don’t think it makes any sense for a pedophile to target that school on that day. If the goal was a school in a remote location where no one is around, why do it on a day when the school was packed with people?
If the goal was to hide in a crowd, why not do it at a school smack in the middle of a busy residential neighborhood - there are plenty to choose from - during of drop off/pick up. Not to mention, plenty of kids walk and bike to school through quiet neighborhoods. A crime of opportunity would be a predator seeing a child walking alone - not seeing a busy school packed with parents.
On the other hand, if you were the responsible parent, trying to shift the blame and responsibility for the abduction to the school makes a lot of sense. Jmo

 

[Knox]

Here's a question: If TMH was driving the white pickup On June 4, 2010 because she planned to pickup Kyron and his Science Fair project at the end of the day (the reason she gave Kaine for needing the pickup), then after TMH emailed the teacher and learned that Science Fair projects were to be picked up some later date, HOW was Kyron supposed to receive the message that he was to get on the bus rather than wait for his mother to pick him up with his project?

What was the basis for TMH and Kaine expecting Kyron to be on that bus if Kyron began school that day under the assumption that he and his project were going home in the pickup?

Any attempt to get a message to Kyron would have surfaced the reality that he wasn't there at school once classes began.

Post in thread 'Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2017-2019'
Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2017-2019

Hoping this link works. There is so much information which has been discussed the past fifteen years.

 

[Diddian]

Post in thread 'Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2017-2019'
Kyron Horman Discussion Thread 2017-2019

Hoping this link works. There is so much information which has been discussed the past fifteen years.

Thank you for the link. I am slowly working my way through past threads, but am only part way through Kyron Horman, Part #11 so far. (I've jumped around a bit on the "topical" threads relating to Kyron, but not much yet.)

In the link you provided, it appears that poster similarly wondered about the story TMH must have given Kaine for why she did not pick up Kyron and his SF project as originally planned. But beyond the question, no answer is provided. And the poster doesn't address how Kyron would have been informed about the change in plans so that he'd ride the bus instead of expect TMH to pick him up.

I'll keep reading...seems there is much question raising, but few answers. And also much conflicting information, whether that is because of faulty reporting or a particular party's distant relation to the truth.

 

[Knox]

Thank you for the link. I am slowly working my way through past threads, but am only part way through Kyron Horman, Part #11 so far. (I've jumped around a bit on the "topical" threads relating to Kyron, but not much yet.)

In the link you provided, it appears that poster similarly wondered about the story TMH must have given Kaine for why she did not pick up Kyron and his SF project as originally planned. But beyond the question, no answer is provided. And the poster doesn't address how Kyron would have been informed about the change in plans so that he'd ride the bus instead of expect TMH to pick him up.

I'll keep reading...seems there is much question raising, but few answers. And also much conflicting information, whether that is because of faulty reporting or a particular party's distant relation to the truth.

Read the qoted post TP is replying too.

Terri drove the truck on June 3rd to drop off the project and again on June 4th to pick it up. I don’t think she ever said she was bringing Kyron home that day. It was about getting the project home. The murkiness and confusion IMO was intentional on Terri’s part.

Much like the confusion about Kyron’s doctor appointment. That was also intentional and prevented the teacher from being concerned about Kyron’s absence that day and the fact his backpack and coat were still in the classroom, JMO.

 

[Boxer]

Thank you for the link. I am slowly working my way through past threads, but am only part way through Kyron Horman, Part #11 so far. (I've jumped around a bit on the "topical" threads relating to Kyron, but not much yet.)

In the link you provided, it appears that poster similarly wondered about the story TMH must have given Kaine for why she did not pick up Kyron and his SF project as originally planned. But beyond the question, no answer is provided. And the poster doesn't address how Kyron would have been informed about the change in plans so that he'd ride the bus instead of expect TMH to pick him up.

I'll keep reading...seems there is much question raising, but few answers. And also much conflicting information, whether that is because of faulty reporting or a particular party's distant relation to the truth.

This os a huge question. Where she parked is not a factor in my opinion, it looks like normal parking.
But if he was expecting to be picked up and not take the bus, it is a very big deal- he would refuse the bus and wait, unless she contacted the office for him to take the bus.

School busses leave very quickly after the grades they are transporting's last bell, kids that end up missing busses end up in the office waiting for the next bus with a call to parents or for the for parents to come pick up.

 

[Diddian]

FBI will dedicate up to 6 agents to help investigate the Kyron Horman disappearance

Agents from the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit based in Quantico, Virginia, came to Portland when Kyron first was reported missing, and two returned to spend several days with Kyron Horman investigative team in late January and early this month.

www.oregonlive.com

My point is - the FBI BAU has been involved in this case since the beginning and intermittently. I can find other links with mentions later when I have more time.

Bottom line, this is all beneficial for Kyron, Desiree & Kaine.

I have often wished the FBI’s BAU used their expertise to get enough inside the head of the perpetrators to accurately (or as close to accurately as possible) predict WHERE those perpetrators would be likely to place the bodies of their victims. Too often, those sociopaths get off on their success at hiding the bodies, while the victim’s loved ones suffer in agony at not knowing. The concealment is a crime that continues to inflict new pain.

I wish it in the case of Jennifer Dulos and I wish it in this case.

 

[wvmoonangel]

I have been watching True crime podcasts of the disappearance of Kyron and so far my main question is what happened to him after the pic was taken with his science project. She took his project to school on Thursday then took him to school on Friday took the pic and was never seen again. Kyron was counted absent that day,the day he disappeared. She had Cains truck parked below the school yard fence line on a dirt road.Why? Why did she wash his backpack and jacket less than 12 hours of him missing?

 

[Bipolar Express]

I have been watching True crime podcasts of the disappearance of Kyron and so far my main question is what happened to him after the pic was taken with his science project. She took his project to school on Thursday then took him to school on Friday took the pic and was never seen again. Kyron was counted absent that day,the day he disappeared. She had Cains truck parked below the school yard fence line on a dirt road.Why? Why did she wash his backpack and jacket less than 12 hours of him missing?

Supposedly she walked him to his class or half way to his class…its very concerning that she washed his back pack and jacket. Huge red flag, IMO

 

[Boxer]

I have been watching True crime podcasts of the disappearance of Kyron and so far my main question is what happened to him after the pic was taken with his science project. She took his project to school on Thursday then took him to school on Friday took the pic and was never seen again. Kyron was counted absent that day,the day he disappeared. She had Cains truck parked below the school yard fence line on a dirt road.Why? Why did she wash his backpack and jacket less than 12 hours of him missing?

Still, I cannot imagine a worse idea for abducting a child than leaving a school with them without someone noticing. At the minimum other kids are around and unpredictable.

 

[sunshineray]

Still, I cannot imagine a worse idea for abducting a child than leaving a school with them without someone noticing. At the minimum other kids are around and unpredictable.

A little boy, so young, so trusting. Possibly, I'll go get the car honey, meet me over there? Idk, I just find a some of her actions extremely suspicious and unexplained. JMO I'm glad they're looking at the case again with better tech, the new and the old.

 

[wvmoonangel]

A little boy, so young, so trusting. Possibly, I'll go get the car honey, meet me over there? Idk, I just find a some of her actions extremely suspicious and unexplained. JMO I'm glad they're looking at the case again with better tech, the new and the old.

I just finished up a podcast from a true crime source and in that podcast there is a clip of an interview that was done with all 4 parents and only bio mom,bio dad and stepdad showed genuine emotions as where stepmoms was forced and faked. In another clip of an interview bio dad states that he believes stepmom played a part into Kyron's disappearance,in that podcast they state that 4 people had given statements that they had seen her walk out of the school with Kyron. The podcast I'm watching at the moment shows everywhere she supposedly went that day. Along those routes she took there is so many service roads and trails she could have easily placed him in. She had quickly gotten a lawyer and still today refuses to answer questions or take a polygraph test.
This is the true crime podcasts I'm watching. They are very interesting and telling.

 

[Boxer]

A little boy, so young, so trusting. Possibly, I'll go get the car honey, meet me over there? Idk, I just find a some of her actions extremely suspicious and unexplained. JMO I'm glad they're looking at the case again with better tech, the new and the old.

Agree. It would have been easy enough to have him go back to the car, but so many or potential for witnesses. I guess she could have driven around to see if the office was going to call from the teachers attendance absence without a parent call in to explain.
Even if a teacher "knew" he was absent for a reason, being absent should have been recorded and submitted, the office them removes the absence with the legit excuse.

Anyway, though easy enough to get him back to the truck, it doesn't cover that there was views from windows, doorways, random kids, parents arriving and leaving etc.
Doesn't mean someone wouldn't take a chance, just puts a real risky element to it.

 

[Knox]

Agree. It would have been easy enough to have him go back to the car, but so many or potential for witnesses. I guess she could have driven around to see if the office was going to call from the teachers attendance absence without a parent call in to explain.
Even if a teacher "knew" he was absent for a reason, being absent should have been recorded and submitted, the office them removes the absence with the legit excuse.

Anyway, though easy enough to get him back to the truck, it doesn't cover that there was views from windows, doorways, random kids, parents arriving and leaving etc.
Doesn't mean someone wouldn't take a chance, just puts a real risky element to it.

The absence was recorded and submitted. She took roll at 10:00 AM that morning.

IIRC, the truck was not parked in front of the school. It was on the side of the school in an odd area.

 

[Boxer]

The absence was recorded and submitted. She took roll at 10:00 AM that morning.

IIRC, the truck was not parked in front of the school. It was on the side of the school in an odd area.

Thanks. True.
Do you happen to know would the way to walk to and from the truck which was on the road or side ramp be to go up the main drive way to the front entrance?

 

[Knox]

Kyron investigators focus on movements of white pickup

Investigators asked for the public's help in providing more details about several reported sightings of the Horman family's pickup truck the day Kyron disappeared, including sightings at two Fred Meyer stores.

www.kgw.com

 

[sunshineray]

Thanks. True.
Do you happen to know would the way to walk to and from the truck which was on the road or side ramp be to go up the main drive way to the front entrance?

Where did Kyron's classmate see him by? Was it that front door?

 

[Bethlamb16]

Curious about when the abduction could have occurred. I need to go back and refresh my memory. I remember she Terri she watched him walk towards his classroom?

Was he walking to another floor? Was it only steps away on the same floor?

Hi Knox. My recollection is that she says she watched him walk down the hall. She was at or near the top of the stairs.