Kyron Horman's general discussion thread for 2014

[ladonna]

Do you know Desiree?

If so, were there other people she was considering?

Why did she switch to thinking it was Terri?

Or if she never considered anyone but Terri, why is that?

What information led her to that deduction?

She *never switched* from TH, she had made up her mind from day one.


eta..why would you ask me such a question * if I know DY*? DO I Have to in order to comment? SMH
Yet until June 4th, she was very comfortable that Kyron was in good care.

 

[MissJ]

Because DY has put all her eggs in one basket since day one, and she never has considered other possibilities. Of which, there could be. She doesn't want to be wrong, I see Kaine has being more open...at times he speaks of Kyron being alive.

That is what I was saying a few pages back.:moo:

 

[MissJ]

She *never switched* from TH, she had made up her mind from day one.


eta..why would you ask me such a question * if I know DY*? DO I Have to in order to comment? SMH
Yet until June 4th, she was very comfortable that Kyron was in good care.

Odd isn't it?:moo:

 

[tlcya]

hoping this recent search leads to answers. Til then I will continue to fly my hawk and pray for resolution, answers and justice for this little man.

 

[ladonna]

I personally find TH extremely unlikeable. But I have struggled with trying to figure out what she would gain by removing Kyron from the picture by disappearing or killing him. Much easier to send him bak to his mother, DY, who wanted him back at that point. Or simply killed KH if her issue was with him and his sending away her older son.

As unlikeable as she is, and I think most can agree, based on evidence which has come to light she is exactly that, after all this time, LE has still been unable to come up with any evidence she disappeared Kyron, nor provide any motive.

And yes I recall that DY, who I respect immensely for her devotion to finding Kyron, claims she read emails that illustrated a hatred for Kyron. But it has not been enough to pull me off the fence completely.

I do now believe it is more likely than not that TH is involved in some way in Kyron's being missing. But I still have those niggling doubts. The why of it escapes me. So much easier if she were a murderous sort, to kill Kaine, have custody of her daughter and simply return Kyron to his mother and invite her own son to return to her. As a widow there would have been financial gain.

Quite frankly, I find Kaine rather unlikable as well. But being unlikable is not enough for me to decide someone is a killer or kidnapper.

The logistics of how TH would have accomplished this still bother me a bit.

I sincerely Pray that Desiree gets the answers she needs and deserves one day.

BBM,,,and that's where I am stumped. It seems impossible.

It would be so simple if it was TH, but after four years it seems even LE can't put it together.

 

[human]

She *never switched* from TH, she had made up her mind from day one.


eta..why would you ask me such a question * if I know DY*? DO I Have to in order to comment? SMH
Yet until June 4th, she was very comfortable that Kyron was in good care.

I am simply wondering how you know what Desiree thought from Day 1.

 

[gitana1]

Yes I do and I posted it on this thread.:twocents:

Then it should be super easy to find it and re-post it. I have not seen one link to the article you are discussing. I would like to see context. I researched heavily (I'm very good at that) and only found that blog which not only referenced a supposed article in which Kaine made such a statement, but also included other info I have only seen from you.

Please provide a link if you can. That would be much appreciated.

 

[JeannaT]

If TMH is not the "mastermind", then someone else is.

There have been plenty of. "Masterminds" Like Casey Anthony who didn't report her two year old as missing, made up jobs and imaginary babysitters, and had a death smell in her car.

We have no idea what LE knows

There doesn't have to be a "mastermind" in Kyron's disappearance IMHO. Children are led away by adults and teenagers with below average intelligence and killed frequently.

This child was in school on a day when the public was invited to the school, and sign-ins weren't done, and no one knows who all was there. A person with little intelligence and no forethought could have taken him out of the building and no one would have noticed. And then, driven him to a different state and buried him on family acreage, never to be found again.

It doesn't take a genius to take child in a chaotic environment such as this.

 

[human]

There doesn't have to be a "mastermind" in Kyron's disappearance IMHO. Children are led away by adults and teenagers with below average intelligence and killed frequently.

This child was in school on a day when the public was invited to the school, and sign-ins weren't done, and no one knows who all was there. A person with little intelligence and no forethought could have taken him out of the building and no one would have noticed. And then, driven him to a different state and buried him on family acreage, never to be found again.

It doesn't take a genius to take child in a chaotic environment such as this.

I was responding to a poster who said that Terri must be a mastermind to thwart LE for so long.

Exactly, Terri does not need to be a mastermind at all.

 

[JeannaT]

I was responding to a poster who said that Terri must be a mastermind to thwart LE for so long.

Exactly, Terri does not need to be a mastermind at all.

I guess what I was saying is NO ONE needs to be a mastermind to have kidnapped Kyron that day.

This kidnapping doesn't point to Terri, IMHO, and doesn't require any kind of genius at all. This school was a public venue for that day and Kyron was a known wanderer. Anyone could have taken that sweet child.

 

[human]

I guess what I was saying is NO ONE needs to be a mastermind to have kidnapped Kyron that day.

This kidnapping doesn't point to Terri, IMHO, and doesn't require any kind of genius at all. This school was a public venue for that day and Kyron was a known wanderer. Anyone could have taken that sweet child.

Could you please link where it gives the info that he was a known wanderer?

Thanks

 

[MissJ]

Well I guess the problem might be that you'd still have to prove that Kyron left with Terri or that Terri knows and arranged whatever happened to him.

But, but didn't the official posters say that Kyron left with Terry or was last seen with her?
:moo:

 

[MissJ]

Then it should be super easy to find it and re-post it. I have not seen one link to the article you are discussing. I would like to see context. I researched heavily (I'm very good at that) and only found that blog which not only referenced a supposed article in which Kaine made such a statement, but also included other info I have only seen from you.

Please provide a link if you can. That would be much appreciated.

I didn't reference a blog and I'm tired of being called out by you. go back a few pages. Interview with Anna Consano Katu-TV 8-27-2011, there is a thread here labeled that way,:twocents:

 

[MissJ]

Then it should be super easy to find it and re-post it. I have not seen one link to the article you are discussing. I would like to see context. I researched heavily (I'm very good at that) and only found that blog which not only referenced a supposed article in which Kaine made such a statement, but also included other info I have only seen from you.

Please provide a link if you can. That would be much appreciated.

Here are some additional links June 25, 2011 oregonian.com by Mike Zacchiio and June 25, 2013 nancy Grace. I watch only news stories and these have to do with Kyron. As I said before I don't do blogs or repeat gossip. Do you remember everything you see on TV? Or do you need to call everything I say a rumor? Have at it. I agree to disagree. :twocents: Now I'm dropping it.

 

[Donjeta]

I didn't reference a blog and I'm tired of being called out by you. go back a few pages. Interview with Anna Consano Katu-TV 8-27-2011, there is a thread here labeled that way,:twocents:

What would you be doing if you were innocent? KH admitted in news report 18 months ago that TMH may be telling the truth. What if she is? JMO.

I followed the thread back to see what statement the question was about, and it was about this but August 2011 is not 18 months ago.

The reason links are asked for is because it would be really helpful to provide clickable links so everybody who reads the thread doesn't have to go google for the information on their own and probably most of them will never find it.

 

[Donjeta]

But, but didn't the official posters say that Kyron left with Terry or was last seen with her?
:moo:

I don't remember any posters saying Kyron definitely left with Terri but of course her possible involvement was heavily implied because they published a flier with her photos on it

http://img2-1.timeinc.net/people/i/2010/news/100823/dede-spicher-240.jpg

It's a long, long way in court from "child was last seen with X (that we know of)" to "it's been proven beyond reasonable doubt that X made child disappear"

 

[Donjeta]

Not sure if this was posted:
http://www.katu.com/news/local/Private-group-searches-for-Kyron-Horman-264121451.html

"All the missing child's cases we have, they are all solved by somebody," Young said. "Someone that sees his photo then sees him. Someone who knows info then comes forward. Someone who's out hiking and find something. Our cases are solved by people. It's critical to keep his face out there because we have a higher chance that we will get the answer."

Young said the teams searched both new areas and places they've already searched.

She still hopes her son is out there somewhere. She said the tip line still gets frequent calls from people who think they've spotted him.

 

[ami]

Alot of "muscle women" make large amounts of money do and web cam stuff. Betcha, just betcha this is the money source.

I actually think that's not a bad supposition, if only because we know that money has been a wild card in this case with TMH, she definitely proved that regardless of no longer being a body builder and having retained the baby weight, she was still content sending crotch shots and bragging about her carnal abilities to Kaine's friend during the search for Kyron. Between that and the bodybuilding she could very well be something of an exhibitionist, overconfident of her appeal to men. I wouldn't totally discount some kind of webcam for money.

Also we never have learned what grossed LE out so much after they searched her computer and dug farther into her life. They saw things they wished they hadn't known, to paraphrase, and Desiree was also completely put off by whatever it was - but it was nothing actionable (like child ) or they would have used that. So it was something negative, offputting or offensive (just from their tone when speaking about it) that cast her in a very bad light, but not illegal.

That might fit.

Because DY has put all her eggs in one basket since day one, and she never has considered other possibilities. Of which, there could be. She doesn't want to be wrong, I see Kaine has being more open...at times he speaks of Kyron being alive.

She doesn't want to be wrong in believing Terri killed her son? My guess is DY would LOVE to be wrong about that.

From http://koin.com/2014/06/21/volunteers-family-continue-search-for-kyron-horman/

“We have lots of evidence. We just don’t have that final thing, the final answer. It’s frustrating. It’s not a stranger that walked into Kyron’s school that took him. It was someone in our trusted circle. We know who has the answer, she just refuses to talk,” said Young.

I was watching 48 hours mystery this weekend and I can't tell you how many times the case they were featuring sat dormant for 5 or 10 or 20 years - LE positive that they knew who the murderer was, but lacking that one critical piece of evidence or information that would ensure a conviction. Often it would take a new team coming in and adding their energy to the case, but sometimes it was the same group waiting for that critical clue to turn up.

 

[ami]

I think that is the problem for anyone who loves their children.

How could Casey kill her child?

There is that one now who killed her child by putting salt in his feeding tube.

So many people who kill their own children and so many that kill their step -children or their SO's children.

And how could Terri abandon her baby daughter? That's one thing we KNOW she did for certain. How many of us who are parents, step parents or guardians see ourselves voluntarily giving up baby in favor of our right not to incriminate ourselves? Of all the different parts of this case, that is the one that I can not get over. We KNOW she's done that, we've watched it happen. It's a fact.

How many innocent people would believe an attorney if they told us that if we kept telling the truth we would be arrested, so we should keep our mouths shut and lose our baby? And being given that choice over and over again through the years - your baby is now 2, now 3, and each year you know that you are innocent and COULD see your baby if you would only try again to explain your innocent actions to LE, yet keep your mouth closed and accept the loss of your child in exchange for living a half-life in your parents' house, a pariah, because telling the innocent truth MIGHT lead to an arrest, and because you somehow believe that even if the cops were totally unreasonable in disbelieving you, your expensive, talented attorneys MIGHT have no way of defending your innocent actions in front of a judge and jury?

I feel like I would fire even a very good, very high priced attorney who told me losing my baby was the only way to stay out of jail. I would be outraged to hear them say that an innocent person should abandon their baby lest they be seen as guilty, I would not believe them, and I would demand that they either find a way I could maintain my innocence while still parenting my child, or fire them and find another attorney.

All of Terri's experience with the courts have worked in her favor - even the DUI she got, she didn't do jail time and she was still allowed to drive and keep her license. She has been given child support from men who aren't the father of her child. She has no reason to think an innocent person would be railroaded in court. Yes she might believe that LE for some reason has it out for her and is focused unfairly on her and she could no longer get fair treatment from them, but would she really believe that with all the cards on the table and her own attorneys working diligently to prove all the perfectly innocent things she did that day - while also working hard to identify all the people who saw "the real kidnapper" - all of that wouldn't be enough to convince a judge and jury? Weighing her baby in one hand and the potential future chance of an unfair trial in the other hand, and deciding to lose her baby *just in case* she was arrested and *just in case* a future trial found an innocent woman guilty?

No, just no way. IMO.

 

[MissJ]

I followed the thread back to see what statement the question was about, and it was about this but August 2011 is not 18 months ago.

The reason links are asked for is because it would be really helpful to provide clickable links so everybody who reads the thread doesn't have to go google for the information on their own and probably most of them will never find it.

Alright?Sometimes I forget how old I am and miss it by a year or three.. Lol. But I gave the link in this very thread. I've been on this case since the beginning and I saw the clip of KH when he was asked could TMH possibly be telling the truth. he hesitated and admitted it was possible. he also said IIRC, in response to a question about DY blaming him and saying he should have known....that as far as he knew TMH had always been good to the kids. So if you want to label my statements as my own opinion its ok.:moo: Its been four years....I've seen a lot of interviews, Dr Phil, Nancy Grace, and various TV stations in the area. Just don't call me out for starting rumors. Everyone on here states TMH was the last person to see Kyron (no one accuses them of taking rumors from blogs) but it isn't necessarily fact. I pointed out in this very thread that on another thread or two here "What the School Staff and students say about the morning Kyron went missing" and another one that you mentioned in 2011 DY herself actually said that a man had been seen outside with Kyron and the source was reliable. KH acted as if he didn't want her to talk about it. My opinion of fence sitting is unpopular here but I don't deserve to be ridiculed about it because I verbalize my opinions just like everyone else.