Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions....

[SmoothOperator]

Sorry if this was already mentioned... But does anyone else find it EXTREMELY ODD(to say the least) that according to this article, per J**** that Terri has no cell phone or computer, nor access to either call phone or computer??!!??

When we know that Terri was an avid electronic communicator.. This was one of the several "items of interest" that STOOD OUT to me when reading this??!!...

Does this mean that her atty(as it seems again per J**** that he is saying that it is her atty's instruction to NOT HAVE CELL NOR COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS ALONG WITH ALSO "TO STAY IN THE HOUSE" and keep quiet)Is it per Houze's instruction because of what all she has possibly "added fuel to the fire" of her "appearing" guilty to the masses, by her "questionable"(at best) communications that have come to light(not to mention the communications that have NOT been "leaked" to the public)...

I just am finding it SUPER HARD to believe that this woman who "seemingly" obsessively(reminds me of how LE said that CA was obsessively communicating via various electronic modes[i.e. email and MULTIPLE cell phones also]) .. OT but I do find more and more extreme similarities in TMH and CA(sadly I'm scared it too will reach a similar outcome as CA's child)...

Just wondering if others found this hard to believe and what your thoughts were on this particular issue from this article??..

Another possibility that IMMEDIATELY sprung to mind upon reading this particular info was- Is this what J**** was just being TOLD by Terri to be the case(no communication via cell or computer)? And that it is not necessarily the truth? I pondered what motive there would be for lying about this to him(or possibly to others and it just made its way thru the "grapevine" for J**** to hear this info)? And the thoughts just off the top of my head were #1 pity, #2 look what a martyr I am, an innocent woman willing to suffer thru such inconveniences to clear my name, #3 for it to intentionally get back to the media(thus get back to LE) so they would lay off, thinking she was NO LONGER communicating electronically and her have unknown "new batphone" activated under phoney names&info (thus still attempting to "outwit" LE)...
Just some possibilities that easily came to mind..{By all means I do not claim that any of the latter is fact, rather just speculation given her recent past history}

Anyone else with thoughts on this subject? either way? Am always interested to hear those with complete opposite&opposing view&opinions of mine... But personally I find it very difficult to believe that this is indeed 100% TRUE.. but JMO, though..

 

[wondering1]

I note that James, her son, who was there the first weekend says until Kyron disappeared, he'd never seen Kaine cry, and that his mother was absolutely hysterical. (IIRC, that's the first time we'd heard of Terri's more immediate reaction to Kyron's disappearance...)

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I read it that way, too. Than someone up-thread said they read it to mean Kyron's mother was hysterical, which makes sense since we saw her being very emotional. I'll have to go read it again because if TH was hysterical rather than annoyed or detached, that would change my pov quite a lot I think.

 

[BeanE]

Another

Terri Horman is a former body builder. She is twice divorced. In 1998 she filed a restraining order against her first husband citing his drug use saying:

"No parenting time due to use of meth - use of needles - was AIDS positive - then said he's negative now."

http://www.kget.com/news/local/stor...-missing-boy-case/8PvZw6D9zUCPbeUHjfixKw.cspx

 

[For The Kids]

Sorry if this was already mentioned... But does anyone else find it EXTREMELY ODD(to say the least) that according to this article, per J**** that Terri has no cell phone or computer, nor access to either call phone or computer??!!??

When we know that Terri was an avid electronic communicator.. This was one of the several "items of interest" that STOOD OUT to me when reading this??!!...

Does this mean that her atty(as it seems again per J**** that he is saying that it is her atty's instruction to NOT HAVE CELL NOR COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS ALONG WITH ALSO "TO STAY IN THE HOUSE" and keep quiet)Is it per Houze's instruction because of what all she has possibly "added fuel to the fire" of her "appearing" guilty to the masses, by her "questionable"(at best) communications that have come to light(not to mention the communications that have NOT been "leaked" to the public)...

I just am finding it SUPER HARD to believe that this woman who "seemingly" obsessively(reminds me of how LE said that CA was obsessively communicating via various electronic modes[i.e. email and MULTIPLE cell phones also]) .. OT but I do find more and more extreme similarities in TMH and CA(sadly I'm scared it too will reach a similar outcome as CA's child)...

Just wondering if others found this hard to believe and what your thoughts were on this particular issue from this article??..

Another possibility that IMMEDIATELY sprung to mind upon reading this particular info was- Is this what J**** was just being TOLD by Terri to be the case(no communication via cell or computer)? And that it is not necessarily the truth? I pondered what motive there would be for lying about this to him(or possibly to others and it just made its way thru the "grapevine" for J**** to hear this info)? And the thoughts just off the top of my head were #1 pity, #2 look what a martyr I am, an innocent woman willing to suffer thru such inconveniences to clear my name, #3 for it to intentionally get back to the media(thus get back to LE) so they would lay off, thinking she was NO LONGER communicating electronically and her have unknown "new batphone" activated under phoney names&info (thus still attempting to "outwit" LE)...
Just some possibilities that easily came to mind..{By all means I do not claim that any of the latter is fact, rather just speculation given her recent past history}

Anyone else with thoughts on this subject? either way? Am always interested to hear those with complete opposite&opposing view&opinions of mine... But personally I find it very difficult to believe that this is indeed 100% TRUE.. but JMO, though..

Well her facebook picture was altered after she moved so...i assume she still has some sort of access to the net.

 

[For The Kids]

Another

Terri Horman is a former body builder. She is twice divorced. In 1998 she filed a restraining order against her first husband citing his drug use saying:

"No parenting time due to use of meth - use of needles - was AIDS positive - then said he's negative now."

http://www.kget.com/news/local/stor...-missing-boy-case/8PvZw6D9zUCPbeUHjfixKw.cspx

Thanks heaps

 

[SmoothOperator]

Another

Terri Horman is a former body builder. She is twice divorced. In 1998 she filed a restraining order against her first husband citing his drug use saying:

"No parenting time due to use of meth - use of needles - was AIDS positive - then said he's negative now."

http://www.kget.com/news/local/stor...-missing-boy-case/8PvZw6D9zUCPbeUHjfixKw.cspx

All I can say is ... WOW! My Lord the drama, the craziness, the dysfunction IT ALL just keeps on coming!!!..
No time to ever even absorb recently released info before BAM! SOME NEW, OUTLANDISH, OUTRAGEOUS DETAIL makes it way out to the media, which of course is then relayed to us, the public...

WOWSER!! Thanks BeanE for always "digging" and "searching" for any new and/or relevant info to this case(as well as Gabe's).. I, for one do appreciate your heart and soul you put into these innocent babies cases..:blowkiss:

All in all the more that comes to light the sadder I get for not only Kyron, and baby K, but I think MOST OF ALL FOR J****, as he has definitely been a product of this dysfunction at its finest for practically his entire life...

ETA~ I must say in looking at everything as a whole the one common denominator that is a constant throughout all of the years of dysfunction and chaos is TERRI... jmo but she seemingly is the ONE COMMON VARIABLE THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE YEARS BEING DISCUSSED.. again just my personal observation..others of course may very well disagree, and that too is fine...

 

[PDXMom]

Sorry if this was already mentioned... But does anyone else find it EXTREMELY ODD(to say the least) that according to this article, per J**** that Terri has no cell phone or computer, nor access to either call phone or computer??!!??

When we know that Terri was an avid electronic communicator.. This was one of the several "items of interest" that STOOD OUT to me when reading this??!!...

Does this mean that her atty(as it seems again per J**** that he is saying that it is her atty's instruction to NOT HAVE CELL NOR COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS ALONG WITH ALSO "TO STAY IN THE HOUSE" and keep quiet)Is it per Houze's instruction because of what all she has possibly "added fuel to the fire" of her "appearing" guilty to the masses, by her "questionable"(at best) communications that have come to light(not to mention the communications that have NOT been "leaked" to the public)...

I just am finding it SUPER HARD to believe that this woman who "seemingly" obsessively(reminds me of how LE said that CA was obsessively communicating via various electronic modes[i.e. email and MULTIPLE cell phones also]) .. OT but I do find more and more extreme similarities in TMH and CA(sadly I'm scared it too will reach a similar outcome as CA's child)...

Just wondering if others found this hard to believe and what your thoughts were on this particular issue from this article??..

Another possibility that IMMEDIATELY sprung to mind upon reading this particular info was- Is this what J**** was just being TOLD by Terri to be the case(no communication via cell or computer)? And that it is not necessarily the truth? I pondered what motive there would be for lying about this to him(or possibly to others and it just made its way thru the "grapevine" for J**** to hear this info)? And the thoughts just off the top of my head were #1 pity, #2 look what a martyr I am, an innocent woman willing to suffer thru such inconveniences to clear my name, #3 for it to intentionally get back to the media(thus get back to LE) so they would lay off, thinking she was NO LONGER communicating electronically and her have unknown "new batphone" activated under phoney names&info (thus still attempting to "outwit" LE)...
Just some possibilities that easily came to mind..{By all means I do not claim that any of the latter is fact, rather just speculation given her recent past history}

Anyone else with thoughts on this subject? either way? Am always interested to hear those with complete opposite&opposing view&opinions of mine... But personally I find it very difficult to believe that this is indeed 100% TRUE.. but JMO, though..

Maybe TH just didn't want to feel obligated to keep in touch with J. Like a discarded ex, she may have said, oh gee hon, I don't have any way to get in touch regularly, so Ill just call you when I can...

 

[citigirl]

For those of you who are not parents, when I was not a parent I thought most parents were much too soft on their kids.

When I became a parent, I learned that you have a much higher tolerance for kids' misbehavior when you have been a parent for a while. As a teacher you usually develop even more. If bad behavior really bothered me, I would be miserable as a teacher--I can deal with it now without letting it get to me. But I have never forgotten how annoying it was before I had my own kids.

Terri should have had this perspective with Kyron. She had a much older son and she had had many jobs as a sub teacher. That she could be so rigid seems odd to me.

 

[tiredblondy]

I believe this punitive behavior goes along with Terri's obsession with appearance. She may have felt that Kyron's misbehavior at school would keep her from being considered for a FT teaching job.

As a teacher I think that her response was much too harsh. A yellow card in our house was cause for a long, stern conversation with dad and me. I cannot imagine confining a 7 year old to his room for the whole evening, let alone repeated evenings. That is the behavior of a parent who does not want to deal with her kid.

Sure would give her more time at her computer alone without interruptions. I also agree , my opinion only, that this would be to make her look better. Who knows what she told the teachers about his behavior at home! Bless his heart.

 

[Jade2010]

To be honest to me its irrelevant if he had toys in his room or not. She was isolating a 7 yr old child from his family for no real reason. How many nights was that poor child sent to his room on his own while he could hear the others having fun without him? No wonder he cried at Desirees when he had to go back to that kind of life style.

I don't know. BUT thank goodness his dad was there to protect him, make sure he wasn't being abused, right?

 

[21merc7]

Sudden obsession with body building doesn't really happen that way. It is a slow learning process, then it becomes an obsession, only to help heighten your reduced self esteem.

TH was not really a body builder, she worked out and joined a competition. She was not lifelong die hard, obviously. Who knows why, maybe past relationships, maybe one guy made a fat comment, maybe a friend did, maybe she just wanted to do it for herslelf (best option), but she is not a "body builder." Go to a gym, you will know who is and is not.

She did it, it was fun, she probably felt great, she got a man who did it to, KH. She lost interest in the extremes of body building, and that is that. She may have tried to get started working out again, great high btw no drugs, just exercise, but could never make it for being pulled right back down again.

 

[1Chump]

H hasnt seen J in years apparently because he asked Terri if he could reduce his payments as they were crippling him. He never got to see J again.

IMO, the amount of child support you pay is based on how much you see the child. The more you see the child the less you pay...the less you see the child the more you pay. It sounds like he was not seeing the child which is why TH got the Court to increase his child support.

IMO, if he did not see his child after TH refused to allow him to reduce the amount the Court ordered him to pay....that is HIS FAULT. If he wanted to see HIS child and TH refused, he could have fought to see his child. Obviously, he didn't care enough to fit to see his child so he should not be complaining about it now.

 

[WestCoastLady]

From the original article....BBM....

Since July 16, when Terri was forced out of the home on Sheltered Nook Road, she's lived with her parents in Roseburg. She's rarely been seen in public under orders from defense attorney Stephen Houze.

James said she has a treadmill in her parents' home but no cell phone or computer.

He's seen her a few times and talks to her regularly on the phone.

"I think she's really lonely," James said. "She's not supposed to leave the house."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

 

[For The Kids]

I don't know. BUT thank goodness his dad was there to protect him, make sure he wasn't being abused, right?

His dad had to work ...so couldnt be there all the time. Who knows what went on when Kaine wasnt there.

And however good a dad Kaine is...he wasnt able to protect Kyron when he most needed it

 

[Jade2010]

Ok, 14 pages into this, I'm surprised nobody has brought this up...

What was behind the sudden fanatical interest in body building?

Maybe she met someone at the gym and that person was a bodybuilder?

 

[21merc7]

IMO, the amount of child support you pay is based on how much you see the child. The more you see the child the less you pay...the less you see the child the more you pay. It sounds like he was not seeing the child which is why TH got the Court to increase his child support.

IMO, if he did not see his child after TH refused to allow him to reduce the amount the Court ordered him to pay....that is HIS FAULT. If he wanted to see HIS child and TH refused, he could have fought to see his child. Obviously, he didn't care enough to fit to see his child so he should not be complaining about it now.

Legally nope.

Child support is paid whether you choose to see your child or not. It is based on income, and I am certain someone around here can pull up the forms for Oregon that will help show this.

See your child is your option, child support is mandatory regardless.

ETA: That is for mom or dad, and if in jail or unemployed, the custodial parent can get support through SSI, or some other form, but still those payments are reduced from said paying parent. Always the Country for the children here in the U.S.

 

[For The Kids]

IMO, the amount of child support you pay is based on how much you see the child. The more you see the child the less you pay...the less you see the child the more you pay. It sounds like he was not seeing the child which is why TH got the Court to increase his child support.

IMO, if he did not see his child after TH refused to allow him to reduce the amount the Court ordered him to pay....that is HIS FAULT. If he wanted to see HIS child and TH refused, he could have fought to see his child. Obviously, he didn't care enough to fit to see his child so he should not be complaining about it now.

Actually...there was nothing in that article that suggested he wasnt seeing J BEFORE she asked for it to be increased. Reading the article it was after that incident where he stopped seeing J.

 

[RubyRed]

Could be ...

My first reaction to this is why then punish him if it's something he can't help but what if she was trying to determine if he COULD help it. IOW, if it stopped because he knew he'd get in trouble at home, then she could rule out it being d/t an organic cause.

I've not had any experience with a child with ADD. Are they able to control their behavior to avoid punishment?

I'm just catching up on this thread, so not sure if this has been answered. The answer is no.

 

[Jade2010]

His dad had to work ...so couldnt be there all the time. Who knows what went on when Kaine wasnt there.

And however good a dad Kaine is...he wasnt able to protect Kyron when he most needed it

Sorry you had said nights and I just assumed Kaine would be home then.

 

[Emma Peel]

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I read it that way, too. Than someone up-thread said they read it to mean Kyron's mother was hysterical, which makes sense since we saw her being very emotional. I'll have to go read it again because if TH was hysterical rather than annoyed or detached, that would change my pov quite a lot I think.

Examine the sentence in context. This article, is about Terri. J was quoted, and in the same sentence, the writer refers to his mother. J mother is Terri.

J was camping with his dad when Kyron disappeared. He said the family was devastated.

"I've never seen Kaine cry until Kyron went missing," J said, adding that his mother was hysterical.

The author was not leaving interpretation up to the reader. The article is about Terri, J mother, and what people in her life can tell us about her. J was talking about his family's reaction - they were devastated. J' family is Kaine, Terri, and the baby. J family is not Desiree. J is talking about Terri & Kaine here - the hysterical is about Terri.

If J was referring to Desiree here, the reporter would have had the obligation to clarify this sentence and say exactly that. JMHO.