GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #5

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  • #321
^^^ This may raise awareness for Jaren, or, derail it. jmo So many FQ dancers missing/dead awk!

Some of us have posted from time-to-time that whoever (Operations/Producer?) is in charge of programming on network/cable TV seems to air programs that have some kind of a connection or are similar to a current crime in the news. It makes sense as the programs will appeal to their audience. And, if people see 'New Orleans' and know about Jaren's case, they may be more interested to know more about Addie's case.

It's hard for me to believe that I had never heard about Addie before Jaren's murder. Not many people have heard about Jaren either I bet.
There wasn't a search for Addie's killer but still her murder was newsworthy imo.

Maybe one of the shows will feature Jaren's case in the near future if it remains unsolved.
Politically speaking, it's possible that frequent news coverage is discouraged to protect tourism.
 
  • #322
You haven't missed anything because no connection has been established. BeginnersLuck posted news articles about a Louisiana business owner with legal troubles whose last name happens to be the same as a family name in TS's bloodline, a fairly common southern name, at that. The man owned a strip club in a small town near Baton Rouge, and the club shared a name with one of the Bourbon Street clubs. At this point, that's all there is to it.

Right. Just keeping an open mind and wondering 'if' there is a connection.
 
  • #323
gngr~snap, you're holding up nicely! You look younger than forty-five. :smile::gift:
 
  • #324
Someone posted that the FBI is leading the investigation. The last time I checked, they were merely processing some of the evidence. Has something changed?

The FBI/New Orleans Violent Crimes Task Force has been involved since the beginning.

Bass said the investigation into Lockhart’s death is ongoing, and that officials await more information about the property seized from the Kenner couple’s residence Wednesday.

“The FBI Violent Crimes Task Force was conducting the process primarily. We were just assisting,” Bass said of the search.

http://theadvocate.com/news/3100244-123/no-extradition-request-filed

Speaks' extradition comes as the FBI Violent Crime Task Force continues to process evidence removed from the couple’s Kenner home and vehicle.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4795418...-case-extradited-north-carolina/#.T_Oz_vWDmSo

A little information on the FBI/New Orleans Crime Task Force

Our New Orleans Violent Crime Task Force (NOVCTF) combats significant violent crime in Orleans, Jefferson, and St. Bernard Parishes. The NOVCTF is a multi-agency federal, state, and local task force that investigates high-profile violent incident crimes, such as bank robberies, Hobbs Act homicides, robberies of armored carriers and commercial institutions, and kidnappings.

http://www.fbi.gov/neworleans/about-us/our-partnerships
 
  • #325
Some of us have posted from time-to-time that whoever (Operations/Producer?) is in charge of programming on network/cable TV seems to air programs that have some kind of a connection or are similar to a current crime in the news. It makes sense as the programs will appeal to their audience. And, if people see 'New Orleans' and know about Jaren's case, they may be more interested to know more about Addie's case.

It's hard for me to believe that I had never heard about Addie before Jaren's murder. Not many people have heard about Jaren either I bet.
There wasn't a search for Addie's killer but still her murder was newsworthy imo.

Maybe one of the shows will feature Jaren's case in the near future if it remains unsolved.
Politically speaking, it's possible that frequent news coverage is discouraged to protect tourism.
I'm surprised more people are not aware of Addie's murder. The story got a lot of national coverage because Addie and Zack had been featured in news articles the year before as a romantic, Bohemian couple sticking out the aftermath of Katrina/levee failure. So one year later when their lives ended in a horrific murder/suicide many of the national news outlets followed up. It was covered in the major papers, including the New York Times and USA Today. This is from Glenn Beck on CNN:

But first, a shocking and horrible story out of New Orleans this week...

What makes this story even more bizarre is that just a year ago, Addie and Zackery seemed like a happy couple who refused to leave New Orleans during hurricane Katrina. They were even profiled in "The New York Times".


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/19/gb.01.html




I do hope the Final Witness episode tomorrow night will draw attention to Jaren's case.
 
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I don't recall seeing this posted. A couple of months ago, a dissatisfied patron posted an unflattering review of Temptations. Claims to know one of the dancers. It's the first comment.

https://plus.google.com/110929834349230534567/about?gl=us&hl=en

I checked out some more review sites and came across a entire website that a guy has where he gives a detailed review of the NOLA clubs. It gave me a better understanding of what it's like.

There certainly is a lot of them in the FQ. It seems like it would be very competitive to draw customers in the door during slow times.
 
  • #328
My comment is meant to debate the suggestion made in an earlier post that TCS's father, TGS, had not been involved in TCS's life.
A woman can have a child without the sperm donor ever knowing she gave birth to his child or the boyfriend can ditch out on both mother and child, etc.
In both cases, the child would, imo, less likely be named after the bio father. Some fathers leave but remain in a child's life,
some fathers just leave. The fact that TCS was named Terry, same as his father, indicates to me his parents were together in the beginning. Where is TGS? What does he have to say about his son?

TS's mother has two additional last names from what I can tell. The media located her though her last name, J.
She was P and S prior to Johnson and now she has a new last name. Kind of confusing since grandmother's obit
is from 2010, is that right?
All I know is that TCS's father is married and lives in High Point, NC, and does not appear to have children with this wife (who is close to his age, 61). When TCS's mother was recently interviewed, she went by the last name of Johnson. I don't know anything about the father or whether he was even married to TCS's mother. There are lots of unmarried women who name their sons after the babies' bio fathers; so he may not have had a choice in the matter. Mom calls son by his middle name anyway. I think it's safe to say that the father doesn't appear to be in the son's life. JMO from research.
 
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All I know is that TCS's father is married and lives in High Point, NC, and does not appear to have children with this wife (who is close to his age, 61). When TCS's mother was recently interviewed, she went by the last name of Johnson. I don't know anything about the father or whether he was even married to TCS's mother. There are lots of unmarried women who name their sons after the babies' bio fathers; so he may not have had a choice in the matter. Mom calls son by his middle name anyway. I think it's safe to say that the father doesn't appear to be in the son's life. JMO from research.

Marriage records for DP and TCS's father, TGS:

Name: DSP
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1955
Age: 16
Race: White
Spouse: TGS
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Age: 18
Spouse Race: White
Marriage Date: 4 Dec 1971
Marriage Location: White Plains
Marriage county: Surry
Marriage State: North Carolina
Source Vendor: North Carolina State Archives

source image link:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8430/7501772210_f2aa3b0709_o.jpg

Divorce records for DP and TGS:

Primary Name: T.G.S.
Spouse's Name: D.P(S.)
Divorce Date: 29 Mar 1976
Divorce County: Surry

source image link:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7501834008_e40cc515e1_o.jpg
 
  • #331
Just read this new article.

McIntyre said there is no hold on Sanchez from lead investigative agency, the Hancock County Sheriff, that would prevent her release on bail from the Tangipahoa Parish Jail.

Snipped from above Quote....

"AMITE--The Margaret Sanchez case may be the one that many in the Amite area judicial system wish would just go away--to another jurisdiction........

Because the pair was nabbed in Loranger, Tangipahoa has drawn unwanted attention and extra staff time."

Sounds like this town/county jail just wants to get rid of MAS purely for financial reasons! :banghead:


It is a sad state of affairs when some LE's/courts do not want to hold a POI in Jaren's horrific death, just because they have to spend extra MONEY!

MOO....Keep her sorry azz in jail :jail: until she talks!!

Dear God...Please bring Justice For Jaren!
 
  • #332
OMG. I think you may have just uncovered the P-H connection.

Oops, sorry. My heart is beating rapidly and I can't see straight if this is what I think it is.

Not sure who the H is? AH?
P = TS side of family??

B/c going on a genealogy site with the names and d.o.b. of TS's mother and the info found at the R.S.O. website for the club owner. Don't know if there is a true connect b/c there's not enough info but I did find it odd that her grandfather shares a similar first and last name with the club owner's father. Again seems her family stayed in N.C. where this guys in LA and TX. Not to say they are or aren't if anyone else cares to do more digging...
 
  • #333
Marriage records for DP and TCS's father, TGS:

Name: DSP
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1955
Age: 16
Race: White
Spouse: TGS
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Age: 18
Spouse Race: White
Marriage Date: 4 Dec 1971
Marriage Location: White Plains
Marriage county: Surry
Marriage State: North Carolina
Source Vendor: North Carolina State Archives

source image link:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8430/7501772210_f2aa3b0709_o.jpg

Divorce records for DP and TGS:

Primary Name: T.G.S.
Spouse's Name: D.P(S.)
Divorce Date: 29 Mar 1976
Divorce County: Surry

source image link:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7501834008_e40cc515e1_o.jpg
So TCS was 3-1/2 when his parents were divorced. Not a surprise with marrying so young. Unless someone close with the family knows the dynamics, we can only speculate.
 
  • #334
I checked out some more review sites and came across a entire website that a guy has where he gives a detailed review of the NOLA clubs. It gave me a better understanding of what it's like.

There certainly is a lot of them in the FQ. It seems like it would be very competitive to draw customers in the door during slow times.

Nobody get mad at me if you can help it but in the comments section of the link someone describes a room with a couch in the back of the club. After reading that comment, it put a different spin on what a stripper's job entails.
Also, now I understand more about why MAS might be suspected as the one who has evil intentions. I'm not saying I believe that but the bicurious comment threw me a little. That never crossed my mind as I don't think that way and was under the impression that Temptations is a club for gentlemen.

Isn't that where a man goes in to watch girls dance and he drinks. Men are visual and like to look - they're not allowed to touch. The back room thing throws me a little. Doesn't this open up opportunities for customers to become possessive over a specific girl? Even setting up potential for a man to get mad at a girl? That's what the first comment may imply. Are there clear-cut rules within these places?
 
  • #335
:waitasec: This can't be pure coincidence can it?
My gut has said all along that somehow Addie Hall's death AND Zach's subsequent suicide was more than just a Marine with "PTSD" going off on a girlfriend... If that were the case...Why would he just stop at one?

If he was so "traumatized" why did Zach act so normal around his friends in the days after he killed Addie?? If he was "off his rocker" did he just turn it on and off???
I need to read a couple of the books I have seen discussed here. I just don't believe anyone knows the WHOLE STORY yet.
Maybe there is a reason no one in and around Bourbon don't speak much about it.

So odd that Addie's side of the story was never really told... No family to speak for her or come forward...

There's some skeleton's in that whole story for sure!

moo

I don't have a lot of knowledge about Addie and Zach or their circumstances but I am very familiar with dealing with someone with PTSD from going thru Katrina. From what I understand, they actually stayed for the duration of Katrina which would be a hellish experience.

Is Zach's PTSD related to his service in the armed forces or just as a result of Katrina? Either way, it was no doubt quite traumatizing.

My late fiance was a firefighter in the New Orleans Fire Department and he stayed thru Katrina, a lot of that time was in the Superdome. There were many equally unbelievably horrific situations that people in Katrina went thru from watching people die, being unable to help others and knowing those people died. Surviving by having to fight off others who wanted something they had, having to deal with the fact that you were abandoned and unlikely to get help anytime soon, watching the world you knew disappear overnight and being left in the ruins of it to survive, etc.

You just have no idea how this can affect a person. My fiance had nightmares and PTSD over what he had witnessed and what he lived thru till the day he died and I was there each night to see him thru that. My fiance was an experienced firefighter, with over 20 years of dealing with horrible accidents, tragedies and life endangering situations but NOTHING ever hit him like Katrina did.

I think that perhaps Zach may have been affected in a similar way. He had been in the service which indicates that he had some internal desire to serve people and his country and to help others so this would be very devastating in the wake of Katrina when he was helpless and fighting for his life.

Service men, firefighters and other first responders learn to compartmentalize their feelings because they need to stay strong for others and as a survival mechanism for themselves. So that Zach was reported to be in good spirits after Addie's murder but before his death could be compartmentalization along with the knowledge that he would be killing himself in the days to come. Often people who have decided to kill themselves feel relief in the days before, knowing that their struggle will be over and they will be at peace at last.

Additionally, my fiance contracted something in the toxic waters of Katrina that caused him to run fevers with delirium. Despite going to doctors, this was never properly diagnosed. His fevers caused such interesting conversations such as this:

Him: My glasses and my cigarettes are missing.
Me: Ok baby, I'll find them for you.
Him: I know what happened to them! That cat from next door was in here. That f****** cat took my glasses and cigarettes.
Me: Ok baby, I'll go look around outside for a cat wearing glasses and smoking a cigarette.

So obviously he was completely out of it when he had these mysterious fevers. It is entirely possible that Zach had something similar happening with them.

Sorry for such a long post but the point is that PTSD is such a difficult thing to wrap up in a neat package. The causes and its effects widely vary. Those who have a sensitive or caring nature are often hit the worst by it. They often hide it well. There was really no help for people in this situation post Katrina.

People such as firefighters, service men and such have a tough image and don't like admitting their weaknesses, they just deal with it and carry on. They are used to being the ones who help others and were helpless in this situation. Frankly, everyone was traumatized, New Orleans was a place with a lot of walking wounded and the wounds were emotional, not visible.

Additionally, people PTSD can often be unconsciously violent upon being wakened suddenly. My fiance never hurt me but I knew to awake him from a distance and not by touching him in his sleep. It is possible that Zack attacked Addie while in such a state.

Granted, I need to read the book (about Z and A) to find out more about Zack's history and the relationship he and Addie had, so I am not stating any of this from a point where I know anything about him personally. Rather, my view comes from my experiences with my late fiance and what he went thru in with Katrina and his PTSD.

As for MAS "knowing" Addie, sure she may have known her in a peripheral way and MAS played that up for attention just like she claimed her semi famous musician uncle was her brother. Just like MAS claimed to be a model but frankly looked more like a faces of meth poster child than anything else. Just like MAS claimed TS was her "husband, etc.

( Sorry for such a long rambling post but the PTSD aspect really compelled me to speak out. I tried not to get personal with it but that was somewhat impossible. In addition, I will add that I am fine and at peace with the loss of my fiance, almost 5 years ago. I will forever miss him and be in love with him but I have come to terms with losing him and have gone on in life to be happy, just as he would have wanted. I am now engaged to another firefighter and happily living the life of a small town girl. However painful it was to lose him (and it almost killed me, truthfully or felt like it), I gained so much more by having in my life to begin with. Because of him, I know I have been thoroughly, completely and unconditionally loved. My self esteem is firmly tacked in place and I know who hung the moon and who he hung it up there for.)
 
  • #336
Marriage records for DP and TCS's father, TGS:

Name: DSP
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1955
Age: 16
Race: White
Spouse: TGS
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Age: 18
Spouse Race: White
Marriage Date: 4 Dec 1971
Marriage Location: White Plains
Marriage county: Surry
Marriage State: North Carolina
Source Vendor: North Carolina State Archives

source image link:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8430/7501772210_f2aa3b0709_o.jpg

Divorce records for DP and TGS:

Primary Name: T.G.S.
Spouse's Name: D.P(S.)
Divorce Date: 29 Mar 1976
Divorce County: Surry

source image link:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7501834008_e40cc515e1_o.jpg

Interesting! TS was born 290 days after his parents got married.
9 months and 15 days to be exact.

Duration calculation results
From and including: Saturday, December 4, 1971
To, but not including : Tuesday, September 19, 1972

It is 290 days or 9 months, 15 days excluding the end date

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=12&d1=4&y1=1971&m2=9&d2=19&y2=1972

Having a baby so soon after getting married would cause a lot of stress
they were just teenagers...
Being so young with a toddler to raise could explain part of why they
got divorced.... among many other things!
 
  • #337
Nobody get mad at me if you can help it but in the comments section of the link someone describes a room with a couch in the back of the club. After reading that comment, it put a different spin on what a stripper's job entails.
Also, now I understand more about why MAS might be suspected as the one who has evil intentions. I'm not saying I believe that but the bicurious comment threw me a little. That never crossed my mind as I don't think that way and was under the impression that Temptations is a club for gentlemen.

Isn't that where a man goes in to watch girls dance and he drinks. Men are visual and like to look - they're not allowed to touch. The back room thing throws me a little. Doesn't this open up opportunities for customers to become possessive over a specific girl? Even setting up potential for a man to get mad at a girl? That's what the first comment may imply. Are there clear-cut rules within these places?

From the reviews I read each club has it's own rules and likewise each girl sets her limits.

It's not uncommon for a couple to go together to the clubs and pay for a private dance.
 
  • #338
Marriage records for DP and TCS's father, TGS:

Name: DSP
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1955
Age: 16
Race: White
Spouse: TGS
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Age: 18
Spouse Race: White
Marriage Date: 4 Dec 1971
Marriage Location: White Plains
Marriage county: Surry
Marriage State: North Carolina
Source Vendor: North Carolina State Archives

source image link:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8430/7501772210_f2aa3b0709_o.jpg

Divorce records for DP and TGS:

Primary Name: T.G.S.
Spouse's Name: D.P(S.)
Divorce Date: 29 Mar 1976
Divorce County: Surry

source image link:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8434/7501834008_e40cc515e1_o.jpg

Being that the couple was so young on their wedding date, one might assume they got married because DP was pregnant.
Looking at TCS's date of birth, 19 Sept. 1972, DP may have gotten pregnant on their wedding night!
 
  • #339
I don't have a lot of knowledge about Addie and Zach or their circumstances but I am very familiar with dealing with someone with PTSD from going thru Katrina. From what I understand, they actually stayed for the duration of Katrina which would be a hellish experience.

Is Zach's PTSD related to his service in the armed forces or just as a result of Katrina? Either way, it was no doubt quite traumatizing.

My late fiance was a firefighter in the New Orleans Fire Department and he stayed thru Katrina, a lot of that time was in the Superdome. There were many equally unbelievably horrific situations that people in Katrina went thru from watching people die, being unable to help others and knowing those people died. Surviving by having to fight off others who wanted something they had, having to deal with the fact that you were abandoned and unlikely to get help anytime soon, watching the world you knew disappear overnight and being left in the ruins of it to survive, etc.

You just have no idea how this can affect a person. My fiance had nightmares and PTSD over what he had witnessed and what he lived thru till the day he died and I was there each night to see him thru that. My fiance was an experienced firefighter, with over 20 years of dealing with horrible accidents, tragedies and life endangering situations but NOTHING ever hit him like Katrina did.

I think that perhaps Zach may have been affected in a similar way. He had been in the service which indicates that he had some internal desire to serve people and his country and to help others so this would be very devastating in the wake of Katrina when he was helpless and fighting for his life.

Service men, firefighters and other first responders learn to compartmentalize their feelings because they need to stay strong for others and as a survival mechanism for themselves. So that Zach was reported to be in good spirits after Addie's murder but before his death could be compartmentalization along with the knowledge that he would be killing himself in the days to come. Often people who have decided to kill themselves feel relief in the days before, knowing that their struggle will be over and they will be at peace at last.

Additionally, my fiance contracted something in the toxic waters of Katrina that caused him to run fevers with delirium. Despite going to doctors, this was never properly diagnosed. His fevers caused such interesting conversations such as this:

Him: My glasses and my cigarettes are missing.
Me: Ok baby, I'll find them for you.
Him: I know what happened to them! That cat from next door was in here. That f****** cat took my glasses and cigarettes.
Me: Ok baby, I'll go look around outside for a cat wearing glasses and smoking a cigarette.

So obviously he was completely out of it when he had these mysterious fevers. It is entirely possible that Zach had something similar happening with them.

Sorry for such a long post but the point is that PTSD is such a difficult thing to wrap up in a neat package. The causes and its effects widely vary. Those who have a sensitive or caring nature are often hit the worst by it. They often hide it well. There was really no help for people in this situation post Katrina.

People such as firefighters, service men and such have a tough image and don't like admitting their weaknesses, they just deal with it and carry on. They are used to being the ones who help others and were helpless in this situation. Frankly, everyone was traumatized, New Orleans was a place with a lot of walking wounded and the wounds were emotional, not visible.

Additionally, people PTSD can often be unconsciously violent upon being wakened suddenly. My fiance never hurt me but I knew to awake him from a distance and not by touching him in his sleep. It is possible that Zack attacked Addie while in such a state.

Granted, I need to read the book (about Z and A) to find out more about Zack's history and the relationship he and Addie had, so I am not stating any of this from a point where I know anything about him personally. Rather, my view comes from my experiences with my late fiance and what he went thru in with Katrina and his PTSD.

As for MAS "knowing" Addie, sure she may have known her in a peripheral way and MAS played that up for attention just like she claimed her semi famous musician uncle was her brother. Just like MAS claimed to be a model but frankly looked more like a faces of meth poster child than anything else. Just like MAS claimed TS was her "husband, etc.

( Sorry for such a long rambling post but the PTSD aspect really compelled me to speak out. I tried not to get personal with it but that was somewhat impossible. In addition, I will add that I am fine and at peace with the loss of my fiance, almost 5 years ago. I will forever miss him and be in love with him but I have come to terms with losing him and have gone on in life to be happy, just as he would have wanted. I am now engaged to another firefighter and happily living the life of a small town girl. However painful it was to lose him (and it almost killed me, truthfully or felt like it), I gained so much more by having in my life to begin with. Because of him, I know I have been thoroughly, completely and unconditionally loved. My self esteem is firmly tacked in place and I know who hung the moon and who he hung it up there for.)
BBM~

:seeya:Thank You for your response! You brought up some very good points!

Unfortunately I do know about PTSD, my son in law came back from Iraq with it. He is a totally different person now. He went for help and was discharged from the service in VERY SHORT ORDER! My daughter flew home (with the dog) while my son flew to Ft Lewis to help my son in law load up and drive a U-haul 2700 miles. Once home, Dec 15th he "acted" fine Christmas and new year's went off with-out a hitch! Jan 6 he "LEFT" hasn't spoken to my daughter since! Hasn't sent her a dime either! We have since found out that he lied to his parents about being "discharged". She was VERY supportive of him! We all were, but we also were the only ones that knew how haunted he was and I admit i was scared at the thought of her being alone with him in the future, so sad as it is... At least she is safe! I love the boy but he doesn't want help from anyone! not much I could do!

I hadn't really thought about what Katrina may have done to Zach on top of whatever he may have been dealing with!

I'm a nurse and I forget how easy it is to compartmentalize! (or maybe prefer to not admit that at times it isn't a choice)

Since the fireworks here have been cancelled tonight THANK YOU RAIN!!!! I'll be able to watch it!!!
 
  • #340
( Sorry for such a long rambling post but the PTSD aspect really compelled me to speak out. I tried not to get personal with it but that was somewhat impossible. In addition, I will add that I am fine and at peace with the loss of my fiance, almost 5 years ago. I will forever miss him and be in love with him but I have come to terms with losing him and have gone on in life to be happy, just as he would have wanted. I am now engaged to another firefighter and happily living the life of a small town girl. However painful it was to lose him (and it almost killed me, truthfully or felt like it), I gained so much more by having in my life to begin with. Because of him, I know I have been thoroughly, completely and unconditionally loved. My self esteem is firmly tacked in place and I know who hung the moon and who he hung it up there for.)

respectfully snipped

what a beautiful post...hugs to you
 
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