LA - Michael Noel, mentally ill man killed by deputy

[katydid23]

http://policelink.monster.com/training/articles/2261-how-to-handle-the-mentally-ill

Article outlines how to respond to calls dealing with mentally ill.

"3. Move slowly. Resist the impulse to act hastily. This may be difficult since most police training teaches the importance of quick decisions. With the emotionally disturbed, it is better to take time and carefully assess the situation. Immediate action is necessary only when handling an immediate danger."

"8. Do not rely on your weapons. The threat of a gun is quite meaningless to people who are acutely disturbed. They may grab it and use it, or you may be tempted to use it. A weapon should be used only in the very rare situation when it is necessary to save a life."

"10. Don’t meet hostility with hostility. This is often a natural reaction since hostile people tend to elicit hostility in others. It is important to maintain a professional attitude. Meet hostility and anger by being calm, objective, and accepting. Ask why they are angry or afraid. If they will tell you, they may begin to calm down."

BBM

Thank you for posting this. I think this describes what happened.

 

[Tawny]

One hundred times? The local cops are expected to restrain and control a noncompliant family member over a hundred times? That doers not make any sense. They are being exploited if that is the case.

One hundred times they had to grapple with and struggle with this resistant, angry, scared man. And on the hundredth or so time, the struggle became violent and he was shot. I am guessing that he tried to wrestle the gun from the holster which brought on the lethal force.

So cops were expected to restrain and overpower him a hundred times, and then when it fails in an ugly way, the family immediately cries out in protest. They could not handle him themselves. They relied upon the cops to do so and they did so just fine, over a hundred times. But that counts for nothing apparently. Now they are said to be violent brutal heathens. Oh, except for the previous 100 times...

Did it occur to you the other hundred times were different officers? So THIS time, THIS officer did the literal worst thing to do in that situation.

And yes, it IS expected of them. It's their job.

 

[Tawny]

BBM

Thank you for posting this. I think this describes what happened.

NOWHERE has any news claimed AT ALL that he reached for the weapon. <modsnip> That article is police training in how NOT to kill a mentally ill individual. <modsnip>.

 

[katydid23]

The cop was trying to put him in cuffs. That is one of the most dangerous times for the cop. That is when struggling can become dangerously close and when one's weapon is within reach of an angry, desperate mentally ill subject. After 100 times of being restrained by cops, this man may have had enough of it.

 

[katydid23]

NOWHERE has any news claimed AT ALL that he reached for the weapon. <modsnip> That article is police training in how NOT to kill a mentally ill individual. <modsnip>.

Why would the cop shoot him then?

 

[katydid23]

Did it occur to you the other hundred times were different officers? So THIS time, THIS officer did the literal worst thing to do in that situation.

And yes, it IS expected of them. It's their job.

This is not that big of a town. I doubt this officer had never been there before.

 

[Montjoy]

The cop was trying to put him in cuffs. That is one of the most dangerous times for the cop. That is when struggling can become dangerously close and when one's weapon is within reach of an angry, desperate mentally ill subject. After 100 times of being restrained by cops, this man may have had enough of it.

Do you have a source to substantiate your claim that he had been restrained by the police 100 times?

 

[katydid23]

Do you have a source to substantiate your claim that he had been restrained by the police 100 times?

The police say they had been called to the home a hundred times or more. The family said they had routinely used the cops to 'calm and restrain ' the man. Those are my two sources.

http://www.katc.com/story/30814891/s...olved-shooting




Family members say they also called the St. Martin Parish Sheriff's Office for help with Noel, as they have done several times in the past. The St. Martin Parish Sheriff's Office confirms they have responded to the house more than 100 times.

Alex says during Noel's resistance and struggle with the deputies Monday, he was was Tased twice, and then shot in the chest.

 

[Tawny]

The cops were called to the home 100 times over the last 15 years for various reasons, NOT just for this young man:

"A spokeswoman for the Sheriff's Office also said that, over the past 15 years, deputies have responded to that home more than 100 times. The calls have been for the following: disturbances, domestic violence disturbances, attempted suicide, mental complaints, residential burglary, assistance, a disturbance with a fire call, trespassing in progress, telephone harassment, warrants, medical issues, theft, animal complaints and forgery. The spokeswoman said the Noel family has lived there for some time."

http://www.katc.com/story/30813477/update-deputies-were-serving-order-of-protective-custody

 

[Montjoy]

Why would the cop shoot him then?

Who knows? There has been nothing to suggest he reached for the gun, so you're stating a loaded assumption as a fact.

Ultimately, I am going to guess that he was shot for being non-compliant, based on what has been revealed so far -- but I have trouble accepting that as a capital crime.

 

[Montjoy]

The police say they had been called to the home a hundred times or more. The family said they had routinely used the cops to 'calm and restrain ' the man. Those are my two sources.

http://www.katc.com/story/30814891/s...olved-shooting

You're adding two and two together and coming up with 10.

 

[bluesneakers]

If he was a small man that could be so easily controlled, why was LE called to the home over 100 times?

Please consider what you're saying - if LE had been called to restrain him and take him to the hospital they'd been successful every single time. IMO that suggests he was easily controlled by the officers in previous encounters. Why couldn't these two get it together?

 

[katydid23]

You're adding two and two together and coming up with 10.

Maybe so. Maybe there were other issues that brought the cops to that address then. I assumed it was the one they described themselves.

 

[katydid23]

Please consider what you're saying - if LE had been called to restrain him and take him to the hospital they'd been successful every single time. IMO that suggests he was easily controlled by the officers in previous encounters. Why couldn't these two get it together?

Well, they tased him twice. That was ineffective apparently. Who knows why it was not successful this time.

If the family needed help from the police a hundred times then he was not an easily controlled individual. The cousin says he was a small man and no weapons would be needed.So why didn't they handle him themselves?

 

[katydid23]

Who knows? There has been nothing to suggest he reached for the gun, so you're stating a loaded assumption as a fact.

Ultimately, I am going to guess that he was shot for being non-compliant, based on what has been revealed so far -- but I have trouble accepting that as a capital crime.

What other reason would an officer have to shoot at close range like that? I am pretty confident that it will be revealed that the officer thought the subject was going for his weapon. There really is no other valid explanation for the shooting.

 

[Montjoy]

There really is no other valid explanation for the shooting.

It may not be a 'valid' explanation -- there are hundreds of bad shootings a year. How about: poorly trained police officers who are trigger-happy and find it easier to shoot than to deescalate a situation? It's been the case many times.

 

[Teche]

I haven't read everything on Webseluths but I live in this area. I think that LE had gone to this family's home 100 times. Unfortunately our area has few beds available for evaluations, limited counselors in the region. I don't think our parish has one counselor in private practice or one designated for the indigent clients. Our parish has one rural, small hospital.

 

[scmom]

I'd like to know how a bad shooting is defined. Is that supposed to mean an unjustified shooting? And where are the statistics on them?

 

[bluesneakers]

It may not be a 'valid' explanation -- there are hundreds of bad shootings a year. How about: poorly trained police officers who are trigger-happy and find it easier to shoot than to deescalate a situation? It's been the case many times.

IMO there is no 'valid' explanation for what they did. They shot an unarmed, mentally ill man in his own home. There is no excuse for killing him the way they did, although I imagine we're going to hear plenty.

Lack of training doesn't even cover their actions IMO. You don't have to be specially trained to not shoot an unarmed person in crisis.

:maddening:

 

[bluesneakers]

I haven't read everything on Webseluths but I live in this area. I think that LE had gone to this family's home 100 times. Unfortunately our area has few beds available for evaluations, limited counselors in the region. I don't think our parish has one counselor in private practice or one designated for the indigent clients. Our parish has one rural, small hospital.

Do you know where they would have taken him?