LA - Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette 19 May 2012 - #31

[HouDat]

a) shadow from the passenger side mirror
b) blood? a weapon? paint, motor oil?

It's a shadow from the caution sign, IMO.

Just to the left of the caution sign in the frame is a light post. Given the estimated angle of the actual light source, the shadow on that door seems consistent with it being caused by the road sign.

 

[waiting1979]

One more thing for tonight or my husbands going kill me. regarding bike under truck. the bike head light they some see under the car, That same light is there in the photo of Mickey riding in front of CK. In her rear tire area. You can see the reflection off of the street, the same shape. Rear bike lights are almost always red, at least here in Calif. Because of the zoom distortion compared to Mickeys pix it appears further back in comparison to the traffic sign. ok sorry just wanted to add that.

It's not the same light. The diameter is similar, that's about it. Try leaving your mouse pointer on the light that is on the bottom of Mickey's rear rim and you'll see what I mean.

 

[JBean]

Many surveillance videos only take stills every few seconds and then string them together. Remember the Claudia Muro case where she was charged with violently shaking a baby? In reality her back and forth movements trying to calm the baby were not shown in fluid real time and made it appear as though she was shaking the baby, because there were stills every few seconds of her and the baby. Charges were ultimately dropped after 2 years incarcerated. The video was finally discredited.

Point is what you see in these video stills is,imo, probably not in real time but rather snips of time hooked together. We would need to know how often stills are taken in order to bring credibility to any speculation about the tapes.

JMHO of course.

 

[waiting1979]

It's a shadow from the caution sign, IMO.

Just to the left of the caution sign in the frame is a light post. Given the estimated angle of the actual light source, the shadow on that door seems consistent with it being caused by the road sign.

Then it would be just behind Mickey, and it's not. Put your mouse pointer on the shadow. It disappears completely with Mickey in the frame.

PS: I didn't make this animated gif. wish I did.

 

[AWOLNATION]

Im pretty sure if that drivers door was open you would see a veritical line through the windshield. The truck just seems like it was slightly turned to the left and thats why it seems like the front is up, look at the distance between the fender and the rim, its the same on the back too.

 

[Island hopper]

I linked an article from my local paper yesterday that showed the bike where the truck hit her and where the bike and truck ended up. About a foot past impact. Is Mickey not approximately a foot or foot and half behind the bump in her last image? Is the truck with something under the nose by the tire not a foot ahead of where she was caught last on video? As shown in the .gif?

That's my interpretation of the photo. I don't think it is illogical since a very similar accident happened just yesterday and the damage to the bike in that accident is similar if not identical (we don't have LE confirmation of that) to the damage done to Mickey's bike. Why is it illogical thinking?

I agree. Not sure what I see in the stills but I know it is possible. I researched bicycle accidents for weeks and came to the same conclusion.

As for the people getting gas...there may have been loud music, they may have been inside, or just oblivious. This would have happened very quickly.

 

[Island hopper]

I think the truck hit the bike, not her. I think LE would be pressuring us to find this truck, if they were looking for it.

As for my last post, I was suggesting the handlebars/bikelight was under the truck.

I agree with the truck possibly hitting the bike. But do you mean that they aren't looking for it because they have identified it? If so, then I may agree with that as well.

 

[Mahouston69]

what you ought to be seeing is a continuation of the smooth white lines of the truck. No black trim on this rig. but there is an interruption in the smooth lines of the truck, and it's extreme. It's also the least lit area of the entire image.

I understand what you are saying and I think Mickey is sitting on the curb, already in the truck or under the nose with her bike in this photo, not where you have her circled. So, I don't mean to trouble you but can you thinly outline in white around her body, maybe indicating where her head is..because I truly can't see what you see.

 

[Island hopper]

If the truck hit the bike and simultaneously slammed on its brakes, then that might explain the bike being there.

But not Mickey. Unless, of course, she was buckled (or otherwise fastened) to the bike...

Had Mickey been hit from behind, her inertia would have continued moving forward.

Given the fact that in the frame we are shown, there is no truck visible; and in the subsequent frame, the supposed "Mickey" figures have moved (by your estimates) only one foot...it simply does not compute. The truck would have to be traveling at an excessively high rate of speed relative to the posted speed limit, and then...coming to a halt, without screeching (because there are no skid marks on the street), thus stopping the bike...but sending Mickey forward.

I'm sorry, I didn't graduate from one of those schools that teaches that the Loch Ness Monster is real, so I'm just not able to buy this line of thinking.

As for the phantom Mickey others are seeing? That's no more Mickey than it is Jesus-on-toast. I'm not going to get into the business of proving a negative, because no one here has proven the affirmative. It's merely a gratuitous assertion and, as such, can easily be countered with an equal-and-opposite gratuitous assertion.

If she were hit, she would have been thrown back into the windshield or cab roof of the truck. If she were hit at an angle, she could have ended up to the side or even under the truck. You can google bicycle accident pics for examples.

 

[HouDat]

I linked an article from my local paper yesterday that showed the bike where the truck hit her and where the bike and truck ended up. About a foot past impact. Is Mickey not approximately a foot or foot and half behind the bump in her last image? Is the truck with something under the nose by the tire not a foot ahead of where she was caught last on video? As shown in the .gif?

That's my interpretation of the photo. I don't think it is illogical since a very similar accident happened just yesterday and the damage to the bike in that accident is similar if not identical (we don't have LE confirmation of that) to the damage done to Mickey's bike. Why is it illogical thinking?

I can grant the very, very remote possibility of a bike being hit from behind and only moving forward one foot. But let's set that aside for a moment and further break this down.

We've been given two stills: one time-stamped a minute ahead of the other. Now, let's just assume for the sake of this argument that that "one minute" is in fact one second (1:48:59 and 1:49:00). That would mean that in one second, a truck would have had to enter the frame from behind MS (again, at a considerable rate of speed), hit MS, stop on a dime, stop the bike after it travels only one foot in one second, and throw Mickey backwards.

Again, the laws of physics simply do not support this scenario. Even if the truck hit the bike and stopped it on a dime, Mickey would have flown over the handlebars several feet ahead, in a generally forward direction. Even if the truck had merely "clipped" her, she would have made some forward progress in addition to some lateral progress.

 

[JBean]

LE says truck 'turned onto Landry right behind Mickey'. These two frames are very close, but can't convey speed. Mickey appears stopped. I calculated her MPH at 20-24 MPH before she stopped.

I am not following what you mean when you say "she appears stopped". It is a still,she has to appear stopped. I find this gif misleading in that it makes it appear as though the truck comes right on top of her and I don't think there is any basis for that notion. I mean I don't think anyone is assuming that happened here in that spot at that time are they?

Help me here, I may be missing something.

 

[HouDat]

If she were hit, she would have been thrown back into the windshield or cab roof of the truck. If she were hit at an angle, she could have ended up to the side or even under the truck. You can google bicycle accident pics for examples.

Perhaps...but one thing I can definitely say is that she would not have been thrown backward. So the "Mickey under the sign" idea is a non-starter.

At any rate, a very minimum of one second elapsed between frames. And in that one second, she would have made several feet of forward progress, thus placing her and her bike further along St. Landry street than the alleged point of impact.

 

[Mahouston69]

ACI has said there is reason to believe she was seen on video farther along her route.

I am very confident that whatever happened to her did not happen in front of the Circle K, in those video stills, but happened farther along her route home.

I believe ACI, but he said he hasn't been able to find any.
I want desperately to believe she is in the photo of the hooptie. Riding on the opposite side of the road, and if it is, she cannot be under the truck and neither can her bike...but I am the only one who thinks it might be her and not the reflection off the front of a car with it's headlights off sitting in the parking lot. So, if it isn't her..I have to go back where she is last seen, in the path of the truck in almost the exact same spot it looks like a bike under it.

 

[Island hopper]

One more thing for tonight or my husbands going kill me. regarding bike under truck. the bike head light they some see under the car, That same light is there in the photo of Mickey riding in front of CK. In her rear tire area. You can see the reflection off of the street, the same shape. Rear bike lights are almost always red, at least here in Calif. Because of the zoom distortion compared to Mickeys pix it appears further back in comparison to the traffic sign. ok sorry just wanted to add that.

She has a reflector or some said blinking light on her tire. In the pic of the truck going the opposite direction, this lane is completely clear....no weird objects and no light of any type in the middle of the lane.

 

[redhairedgirl]

I believe that the DWT is a witness, not a perp. Because of the way the photo of the DWT is cropped compared to the one with Mickey, I think that there was a vehicle pulled into the parking lot of the LCG. When they saw Mickey ride past, they started to pull out behind her, before they could get on the street the DWT came by. I think the reflection of their lights shows on the front part of the DWT. Perp pulls out, DWT drives past Mickey, perp is now behind her on the street. He bumps her rear tire, she stops and the perp moves in for the abduction.

 

[fairest of them all]

not if she were like turning to get out of the way and or jumping from the bike to get out of the way......a person cant really take the laws of physics and apply them to a person who is fighting like hell tp jump out of the way of a truck ........maybe hitting the bike's rear wheel on the side as she wad turning. Technically she could have jumped that way.....shed have to jump that way if she were to jump because leaping the opposite way would still put her in the path of the truck or pinned under bike as it fell that way.....i like my own theory better though......bike i can see or make mysekf see because of the resemblance of the light.... i dont think mickey is in the picture...i think mickey is chasing someone down for her phone or purse somewhere around those bushes we can see in the picof her on the bike....and cant see in the puc of the truck.....i think what was going on which imo caused her to drop her bike in the road is cropped out....i think she was in the process of arguing with domeone for her phone back or something when the truck passsed an in my opinion hit her bike.....all just speculation though.e

I can grant the very, very remote possibility of a bike being hit from behind and only moving forward one foot. But let's set that aside for a moment and further break this down.

We've been given two stills: one time-stamped a minute ahead of the other. Now, let's just assume for the case of this argument that that "one minute" is in fact one second (1:48:59 and 1:49:00). That would mean that in one second, a truck would have had to enter the frame from behind MS (again, at a considerable rate of speed), hit MS, stop on a dime, stop the bike after it travels only one foot in one second, and throw Mickey backwards.

Again, the laws of physics simply do not support this scenario. Even if the truck hit the bike and stopped it on a dime, Mickey would have flown over the handlebars several feet ahead, in a generally forward direction. Even if the truck had merely "clipped" her, she would have made some forward progress in addition to some lateral progress.

 

[Chili Fries]

I am not following what you mean when you say "she appears stopped". It is a still,she has to appear stopped. I find this gif misleading in that it makes it appear as though the truck comes right on top of her and I don't think there is any basis for that notion. I mean I don't think anyone is assuming that happened here in that spot at that time are they?

Help me here, I may be missing something.

Looks to me like she's not stopped simply because her body is in riding position, leaning forward on the handlebars. If she were stopped her body would probably be standing up straight, or at least a good bit more straight than in riding position.

 

[fairest of them all]

I accidently bolder my whole post. I've done that twice now.....so I'm not "yelling" .... I just talk loud maybe I'm hard of hearing ha ha.....accident....sorry

 

[HouDat]

not if she were like turning to get out of the way and or jumping from the bike to get out of the way......a person cant really take the laws of physics and apply them to a person who is fighting like hell tp jump out of the way of a truck ........maybe hitting the bike's rear wheel on the side as she wad turning. Technically she could have jumped that way.....shed have to jump that way if she were to jump because leaping the opposite way would still put her in the path of the truck or pinned under bike as it fell that way.....

If she's biking towards the right (in the frame) and she jumps from the bike, there's still no way she winds up 8+ feet behind where she was, on the other side of the sign.

i like my own theory better though......bike i can see or make mysekf see because of the resemblance of the light.... i dont think mickey is in the picture...i think mickey is chasing someone down for her phone or purse somewhere around those bushes we can see in the picof her on the bike....and cant see in the puc of the truck.....i think what was going on which imo caused her to drop her bike in the road is cropped out....i think she was in the process of arguing with domeone for her phone back or something when the truck passsed an in my opinion hit her bike.....all just speculation though.e

Frankly I'd much rather pursue this hypothesis than any of the Mickey-under-the-truck and Mickey-behind/beneath-the-sign theories. Those don't hold an ounce of water, IMO.

 

[Island hopper]

Perhaps...but one thing I can definitely say is that she would not have been thrown backward. So the "Mickey under the sign" idea is a non-starter.

At any rate, a very minimum of one second elapsed between frames. And in that one second, she would have made several feet of forward progress, thus placing her and her bike further along St. Landry street than the alleged point of impact.

If the truck hit the back rim of the bike, it would have thrown her backwards. If you are riding your bike forward and you hit an object, you are thrown forward towards that object.

The truck would not have hit her body as she was riding but would have hit the back tire. Being that she is not attached to the bike with a seatbelt or something, gravity and the forward movement of the truck would cause her body to end up on top of or to the side of the truck.

Most bicycle accidents that result in damage to the back tire/rim resulted in the rider being thrown backwards into the vehicle.