Identified! LA - Slidell, WhtFem 20-30, UP852, Breast Implants, Pregnant Jun'86 Pamela Lee Hupp

[John/Jane Doe]

16UFLA

 

[Richard]

Reconstructions of Victim

Date of Discovery: June 19, 1986
Location of Discovery: Slidell, Saint Tammany Parish, Louisiana
Estimated Date of Death: 36 Hours
State of Remains: Not recognizable - Decomposing/putrefaction
Cause of Death: Homicide

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 20-30 yrs old
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5'3"
Weight: 126 lbs
Hair Color: Red/Auburn (per autopsy report)
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: 2.3cm scar midline on abdomen, above the naval; 1.5 cm circular-in-shape scar on right knee; 1.2 cm scar on the right wrist (per autopsy report); silicone breast implants; Previously fractured right hip.

Identifiers
Dentals: Available. All four wisdom teeth extracted. Teeth #1,16,17 and 32 not seen, may be antemortem loss or congenital absence.
Fingerprints: Not Available
DNA: Available.

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: None
Jewelry: None; however, there was a 1/2-inch wide ring mark on her left ring finger.
Additional Personal Items: None

Circumstances of Discovery
The victim's nude body was found weighted down in Lake Pontchartrain by a fishermen just east of the Interstate 10 twin spans and about 50 yards from the north shore June 19, 1986.

A plastic bag was placed over her face, secured with gray duct tape and a 22-pound weight tied to her neck. She had suffered numerous stab wounds to her facial area as well.

Detectives think she might have been married because of markings indicating she had worn a ring on her left hand. Based on information from meteorologists and marine biologists, detectives concluded the body likely was dumped in the lake between Bayou Lacombe and the Rigolets Pass.

An autopsy revealed the woman died of asphyxia a day or two before the body was discovered.

Detectives tried to identify the woman through her silicone breast implants. But the implants did not have serial numbers, and detectives were unable to trace them to the doctor who performed the surgery. She is believed to not be local to the area.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: LSU FACES Laboratory
Agency Contact Person: Ginesse Listi
Agency Phone Number: 228-578-3906
Agency Case Number: LSU 03-35

Agency Name: St. Tammany Parish Sheriff's Office
Agency Contact Person: Detective Justin Parker
Agency Phone Number: 985-898(at)@stpso.com
Agency Case Number: 06-6084-86

NCIC Case Number: U211402266
NamUs Case Number: 852
NCMEC Case Number: 400074

Information Source(s)
NamUs
LSU FACES
The Times-Picayune
TheNewOrleansChannel.com
America's Most Wanted 2/5/05
NCMEC
16UFLA

 

[crazyrabbitlady]

Just thinking aloud here….could the ring line be from a class ring? I know a lot of people I went to high school with wore their class rings on their left hand before they were married. It may fit if she was on the younger end of the age range. And it would definitely help ID her, a reason for a killer removing it more so than a wedding band. Just MOO.

 

[Bit of hope]

Just thinking aloud here….could the ring line be from a class ring? I know a lot of people I went to high school with wore their class rings on their left hand before they were married. It may fit if she was on the younger end of the age range. And it would definitely help ID her, a reason for a killer removing it more so than a wedding band. Just MOO.

It could be any kind of ring. I (we?) always assumed the ring was taken off by her killer (most likely) for preventing identification...she might as well thrown it away herself....fed up with the marriage or whatever situation.

 

[carbuff]

It could be any kind of ring. I (we?) always assumed the ring was taken off by her killer (most likely) for preventing identification...she might as well thrown it away herself....fed up with the marriage or whatever situation.

Statistically speaking, if she had left a violent marriage (and removed the wedding ring), that would be the most dangerous time for her.

I've always thought the weights suggested she was killed in somebody's basement workout room.

 

[crazyrabbitlady]

Has Vickie Smock been looked at?

Vickie Annette Smock – The Charley Project

“Smock was last seen in Salt Lake City, Utah on January 1, 1985. Her father dropped her off at a Greyhound bus station with an unknown male companion. She had $50 in cash and planned to travel to Wendover, Nevada to work as a cocktail waitress at the Red Garter Hotel & Casino. She has never been heard from again and there is no record that she ever actually boarded the bus to Nevada.

It's uncharacteristic of Smock to be out of touch with her family; her family stated she was close to her children and kept a regular routine. Her two daughters lived with her ex-husband, but Smock visited them regularly. She was estranged from her second husband in 1985, and he was reportedly jealous, threatening and violent towards her. Smock's second husband is now deceased and was never questioned.”

her height is a little off, listed as 5’7, but circumstances of her disappearance make me wonder. She went missing a year before our Jane doe was found….and If she had made it to Nevada and became a “cocktail waitress” that would be plenty of time to get breast implants and would be the “lifestyle” and funds to do so.

 

[eoyste]

Lost and Found shows Kathleen as, Status Samples submitted - Tests not complete

As to whether their is an update since they were able to last acquire that status do not know since NAMUS changed the ability to view the identifiers.

@Bit of hope @folieadeuxnola - I received confirmation from LSU FACES that Kathleen Beitzel (NamUs #MP40487) is NOT a DNA match to Unidentified Female (NamUs #UP852, LSU 03-35).

 

[Bit of hope]

@Bit of hope @folieadeuxnola - I received confirmation from LSU FACES that Kathleen Beitzel (NamUs #MP40487) is NOT a DNA match to Unidentified Female (NamUs #UP852, LSU 03-35).

Thank you for letting us know.

 

[KimiMariaS]

She was exhumed a few years ago (can't really remember exactly) and LSU faces lab was doing some work with her case. If I remember right, they can't get a match on her breast implants, but I can't recall why. Here is a couple of links for her.

http://www.lsu.edu/faceslab/unidentified/1986.htm
http://www.wdsu.com/news/2570317/detail.html

Implants can always be traced back because of their unique markings but its 86 and omg i cant believe implants of that caliber even existed, i wonder how toxic the materials must've been back then. They're kind of harmful in this day and age but imagine in the 80s..

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Implants can always be traced back because of their unique markings but its 86

If I remember correctly from this thread, serial numbers on breast implants didn't come until late 80s/early 90s. And then we don't even know if she had the procedure in the US, either.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Case #03-35​

Status: unidentified

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Date found:	1986-06-19
PMI:	2 days or less
Location:	Saint Tammany Parish, Louisiana
Est. age at death:	20 to 30
Sex:	Female
Race:	white
Hair color:	auburn
Height:	62 to 66 inches
Weight:	126 pounds
Dental Records:	Available
DNA Records:	Available
FACES Case #:	03-35

Identifying features
round scar on right knee, scar above navel, scar on right wrist, previous hip injury, possible nose injury or surgery, had breast implants, was pregnant
Additional details
found in Lake Pontchartrain
Contact us
If you have any information concerning this case please contact the FACES Lab.
Teresa Wilson, Assistant Research Professor, LSU - (225) 578-4761
Maria Allaire, Research Associate, LSU - (225) 578-4775

- LA Repository for Unidentified & Missing People

This week, I started conversations between the St. Tammany Parish Coroner’s Office and the Buffalo New York Police Department, asking their labs to coordinate DNA testing. After 36 years, investigators may finally name the 20-something-year-old girl found tied naked to the bottom of Lake Pontchartrain.

An outdoorsman fly-fishing snagged the woman’s nude body on June 19, 1986, just east of the Interstate 10 twin spans, about fifty yards from the north shore of the lake. An autopsy revealed the woman, who had a plastic bag duct-taped over her head and a 22-pound weight tied to her neck, died of asphyxiation.

Two other findings from the autopsy surprised investigators. First, the victim had breast implants, and second, she was seven to 12 weeks pregnant. These facts bred hope they would find her quickly, but 36 years later, the identity of the Jane Doe investigators dubbed “the Lady in the Lake” remains a mystery.

Tuesday, July 15, 1986, the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Office released a painted illustration of the victim to local television stations and newspapers. The distributed image, a retouched morgue photograph, depicted a young, pretty woman with big eyes and a slightly upturned nose.

An accompanying news release described her as white, 20 years old or younger, 5-foot-7 inches tall, and weighing 100 to 120 pounds. The report said she had shoulder-length auburn hair and small, old scars on her right knee, right wrist, and upper abdomen. A broad tan line on her left ring finger suggested she had worn a wedding ring for an extensive period.

The victim’s body bore no significant wounds, and her blood contained minimal amounts of caffeine and alcohol. The coroner believed she died less than 24-hours before the fisherman found her body.

In the two weeks between that day and her burial in the Potter’s Field area of Greenwood Cemetery in Slidell, sheriff’s detectives investigated over two hundred leads and inquiries, eventually finding them fruitless.

Unsuccessfully, they tried to identify the woman by tracing her breast implants. Markings on the implants revealed their size, two-hundred cubic centimeters, and the manufacturer’s name, Cox-Uphoff International of Costa Mesa, California, but no Louisiana surgeons admitted to using implants from this company.

DNA may identify ‘Lady in the Lake’ after 36 years

This week, I started conversations between the St. Tammany Parish Coroner’s Office and the Buffalo New York Police Department, asking their labs to coordinate DNA testing. After 36 years, investigators may finally name the 20-something-year-old girl found tied naked to the bottom of Lake Pontchartra

bayoujustice.com

 

[Oakie]

At the original article, the author implies that the unidentified decedent is this woman:

Kathryn Grace Knox Zedick

 

[phantomstrider]

I think she was either never reported missing or she was and her report was lost and collecting dust in a police department somewhere. I dont think she is a missing person in any database as the breast implants are very distinctive and would have been mentioned in any missing person case.

 

[Bit of hope]

I think she was either never reported missing or she was and her report was lost and collecting dust in a police department somewhere. I dont think she is a missing person in any database as the breast implants are very distinctive and would have been mentioned in any missing person case.

I don't agree with the breast implants part, because they could have placed after someone went missing.

 

[Bit of hope]

At the original article, the author implies that the unidentified decedent is this woman:

Kathryn Grace Knox Zedick

Interesting. I wouldn't associate this woman's teeth with perfect. But then again in the description of Jane Doe it could mean perfectly healthy. Hopes up.

 

[carbuff]

At the original article, the author implies that the unidentified decedent is this woman:

Kathryn Grace Knox Zedick

Zedick's Namus: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

She certainly resembles the reconstructions.

 

[phantomstrider]

I don't agree with the breast implants part, because they could have placed after someone went missing.

Yeah but don’t you think someone would recognize such a distinctive feature also are the Breast implants traceable

 

[Bagpus]

I don't agree with the breast implants part, because they could have placed after someone went missing.

Indeed. Also, she may not have told people about the implants. Someone in my family didn't tell their closest siblings. I only found out by accident. I am still not supposed to know.

 

[phantomstrider]

Indeed. Also, she may not have told people about the implants. Someone in my family didn't tell their closest siblings. I only found out by accident. I am still not supposed to know.

I guess your right but that is still such a distinctive feature surely someone must recognize them or they should be traceable

 

[Bagpus]

I guess your right but that is still such a distinctive feature surely someone must recognize them or they should be traceable

Let's hope they do.