LA - Vehicle drives through New Year's crowd - Multiple fatalities reported - Bourbon Street New Orleans - January 1 2025

[GRT]

I wasn't implying that being devout was wrong as such, but rather that (IMO) he did not pretend to be driven by extremist religious beliefs to mask his evil nature. He made them known by declaring his allegiance to ISIS. How more Islamist can you get?

I hear what you're saying, you make good points.

I'm just getting the feeling that Jabbar was looking for justification for the evil he intended to commit. I think he found that justification in ISIS. MOO But, had he not found ISIS, I think he would have found a different justification for his evil.

It just seems too convenient to me that he mentions wanting to kill his family and then switches over to killing innocent unknowns, which somehow (according to him) honors the war between the believers and the infidels.

At this point (MOO) I honestly think he just wanted to kill because he hated his own life and he wanted to go out in a big way.

At this point, the Feds will be all over his PC and laptop to determine who he was chatting with. I'd like to know where he got that flag. Did he order it off the internet? Or, did a member of ISIS ship it to him? I'm guessing the former, although any online groupies that belonged to the real ISIS would probably have been tickled to have an American attack his own countrymen.

I find it odd that he didn't tell his friends things that might make them think he had joined ISIS. Maybe I'm way off base here, but when I think of someone being "radicalized," I think of them adopting the lifestyle that goes with that radicalization--not keeping it under wraps.

Like I said, I could be very wrong, but that's just the feeling I'm getting right now. As more information comes out, I may change my opinion.

 

[GRT]

I'd like to investigate why the FBI first came out and said this wasn't a terror attack.

Did they think the American public would automatically start harassing Muslims?

Or did they want to keep us misinformed? For our own good?

And, who, pray tell, wrapped that jacket around the flag?

 

[Chimera]

The would-be attacker “began to immerse himself in a virtual world of violent videos and secret chatrooms devoted to the Islamic State," according to reporting in the Washington Post.

Some corners of the dark web serve as "one-stop shops" for would-be attackers.

“They act as a conduit for others to share information, to share how to guides, tactics in bombmaking, surveillance, attacks, targets, and everything along those lines," said Baumgartner.

Jabbar’s former US Army commanding officer posted in disbelief on X following the New Orleans attack - citing Jabbar’s professionalism while in the army. He commented, “This transformation is a stark reminder of the dangers of unchecked anger, isolation, and hate," before encouraging people to take care of each other before it’s too late.

Online radicalization a tough battleground for counterterrorism

The ISIS inspired attack in New Orleans, LA has put a new spotlight on the terror group once thought to be eliminated.

thenationaldesk.com

Bbm.
Good points !

From your link :
WASHINGTON (TNND) — The ISIS-inspired attack in New Orleans has put a new spotlight on the terror group once thought to be eliminated.
The group’s messaging has spread online, and it’s becoming more difficult to detect.
Officials in other cities prepping for major events have already pledged increased security.
Rbm.

Hmm.
"...thought to be eliminated ..."
Really ? Who the heck thought that ?
I have never believed radical Islam or Isis to be eliminated or even no longer a threat.

Since the fall of Assad (yes he is a violent man), I fear a stronghold of Isis is filling the power vacuum.
Please let me be wrong.
Scary times and sometimes an evil is replaced by a greater evil, imo.

Re. the second red bolded : Well that's good news, but they should've already been in a state of alert !
How many more terror attacks will it take for every city and every large gathering to implement better security measures and start taking this threat more seriously than NOLA did ?
The deaths of those innocents was 100 % preventable.
SMH.
Omo.

 

[Tower]

Oh I agree @Arkay we should always try to take all the precautions we can. I just was more commenting on the over focus on the bollards as if THAT would have stopped this man if they were there instead of police cars blocking the way. It seems they would not have either due to him going on the sidewalk and right into people in front the of the police. I don't want the focus to be on how this would not have happened if those things would have been there because with what we know right now, it seems it still would have been possible. he sure did walk the coolers right in. Not sure why they didn't go off, but maybe he didn't detonate them or in the aftermath of him crashing he just started shooting instead of remembering he was going to detonate the IEDs.. if he did detonate them, many more would have been harmed/killed.

I think some just want to find something to blame other than the terrorist. They are more upset that bollards were being replaced and not up than they are that a man decided to commit this horrific act. These evil doers seem to find ways around the safety measures we take. It's sad that LE and those charged with trying to make places as safe as can be have to get all the things right 100% of the time and the terrorist just has to get it right once.

I don’t disagree with your points.

Yet, bollards here in Las Vegas are very effective. You cannot get around them and go onto a sidewalk. You cannot drive through the multiple fire trucks and police cars with armed officers blocking off the entire roadway.

You are not allowed to bring ice chests, large bags or strollers onto the Strip on New Year’s Eve. Plainclothes and uniformed police are watching the crowd and reacting to threats.

Still, a man shot many innocent people from a hotel room high above the Strip. So I do understand your point that evil finds a way.

However, imo New Orleans government including the police force was mismanaged, disorganized and did not value the lives of tourists enough to make safety a bigger priority. The safety models exist, but they did not spend the money to bring the city up to basic safety standards.

 

[red carpet fiber]

Yes -- I want to know how Shamsuds knew the barriers were not going to be in place ?

We don't know that he knew that.

 

[Cartie]

Yes -- I want to know how Shamsuds knew the barriers were not going to be in place ?
He didn't live in the area and was there for only a day or two at the Air BNB before carrying out his vile plan ?
Omo.

That is something I keep thinking about. Until I read that something got into the working from a parade I did wonder if they had been sabotaged before hand.

 

[kaen]

Yes -- I want to know how Shamsuds knew the barriers were not going to be in place ?
He didn't live in the area and was there for only a day or two at the Air BNB before carrying out his vile plan ?
Omo.

If he was driving around that night or the night before, it seems clear that the city was doing work. He might have decided to do this thing and then was cruising to find the best place to commit his terror act. I would also guess that there would be alerts in the area and on google about construction. Work began in the area (seemingly in stages) on Nov 18.


"One day before New Year’s Eve, New Orleans officials issued a traffic advisory about its vehicle barrier replacement project, stating that crews would work until 2 p.m. on Monday and try to “minimize road closures as much as possible to reduce impacts” during the celebration.
“Currently, Bourbon Street is fully open from Canal Street to Toulouse Street,” the city said in its Dec. 30 advisory."

from:
Barriers to stop vehicle attacks were in the process of being replaced in New Orleans

 

[Cartie]

He was going to the French Quarter before New Year's Day attack. His mom still can't find him.

Torie Harris, 27, of New Orleans, was last seen Tuesday night when he told a family member he was heading to the French Quarter to hang out for New Year's, his mother said.

www.nola.com

This is heartbreaking to read, especially when you consider that they have used resources to have a marching band and game and let's not forget being open as usual for a steak.

 

[Happygo]

Thank goodness he didn’t do it 2-3 hours earlier!

 

[Sundog]

This is heartbreaking to read, especially when you consider that they have used resources to have a marching band and game and let's not forget being open as usual for a steak.

I don't believe that anyone intends any disrespect for the victims and their loved ones and I am certain that the entire community is grieving as they move foward with their lives.

 

[Chimera]

We don't know that he knew that.

True.
Guess I should have said, "did he know ?" .
From the quoted comment below, it may hold a possible answer ?

If he was driving around that night or the night before, it seems clear that the city was doing work. He might have decided to do this thing and then was cruising to find the best place to commit his terror act. I would also guess that there would be alerts in the area and on google about construction. Work began in the area (seemingly in stages) on Nov 18.


"One day before New Year’s Eve, New Orleans officials issued a traffic advisory about its vehicle barrier replacement project, stating that crews would work until 2 p.m. on Monday and try to “minimize road closures as much as possible to reduce impacts” during the celebration.
“Currently, Bourbon Street is fully open from Canal Street to Toulouse Street,” the city said in its Dec. 30 advisory."

from:
Barriers to stop vehicle attacks were in the process of being replaced in New Orleans

So it was advertised publicly, and the perp knew the street was open to the public ?
I know-- hindsight's 20/20 and all that.
Seems inadvisable now , but to be fair --they couldn't have known.
Maybe in the future, don't advertise that the street will be fully open ?
Or at least do what has been suggested, park sanitation trucks at all entrances ?
Omo.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A memorial to the victims of a deadly truck attack is seen on Canal Street in the French Quarter

The FBI investigation also revealed that Jabbar purchased a cooler in Vidor, Texas, hours before the attack and gun oil from a store in Sulphur, Louisiana, the officials said. Authorities also determined Jabbar booked his rental of the pickup truck on Nov. 14, suggesting he may have been plotting the attack for more than six weeks.

New Orleans attacker had suspected bomb materials at home, reserved truck weeks ago, officials say

Law enforcement officials say the man killed by New Orleans police after ramming a truck into a New Year's crowd had suspected bomb-making materials at his home and reserved the

napavalleyregister.com

 

[K.jill]

Take this as rumor for now because i can not find a msm article: I was listening to msnbc about 45 mins ago and they said that an unusual substance was used in making the bombs.
Did anyone else hear that?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

According to NBC, the suspect used a "very rare explosive compound" that was found in the two IEDS placed in the French Quarter.

NBC reports that investigators are now trying to find out how the suspect could have known how to create the homemade explosive.

NBC cites two senior law enforcement officers for this bombshell development.

"It is extremely concerning and would lead me to believe that he has not acted alone in this," said security expert Mike Cahn. "How would he have come up with the knowledge to make this explosive device if it has never been seen or used in the U.S. or globally prior to this attack?"

New Orleans terror attack suspect made rare compound, NBC reports

According to NBC, the suspect used a "very rare explosive compound" that was found in the two IEDS placed in the French Quarter.

www.wdsu.com

The rare compound has never been used in a U.S. terror attack or incident and has never been used in a European attack.

The searches of Jabbar’s home have yielded what authorities described as “bomb-making materials” and “precursor chemicals,” they say he used to make the two functional explosive devices.

Shamsud-Din Jabbar used ‘very rare chemical’ in bombs he placed near New Orleans truck attack

Over the last two days, investigators have searched the Houston-area trailer owned by Shamsud-Din Jabbar, the man who killed 14 people in New Orleans in the early morning hours of New Year’s Day.

www.click2houston.com

They were both in coolers, according to the FBI. One was found at the cross-section of Bourbon Street and Orleans Street. The second device was at the intersection of Bourbon Street and Toulouse Street. Both were “rendered safe,” according to the FBI. Jabbar was captured on surveillance cameras placing those IEDs.

A source familiar with the investigation also told KPRC 2’s Bryce Newberry that Jabbar stopped at a fast-food restaurant off I-45 Monday.

‘Precursor chemicals’ found in Shamsud-Din Jabbar’s Houston trailer after New Orleans attack

Bomb-making materials have been found in the Houston-area trailer owned by Shamsud-Din Jabbar, the man responsible for the deadly Bourbon Street attack on New Year’s Day.

www.click2houston.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Shamsud-Din Jabbar, a 42-year-old Army veteran and U.S.-born citizen from Texas, went to Egypt alone and told his family he was going "because it was cheap and beautiful," his half-brother, 24-year-old Abdur Jabbar, said.

Investigators are working to determine what he did during his travel in Egypt, why he went and who he interacted with while there, multiple sources said. Critical to the probe is whether he had been radicalized prior to the travel or if the travel marked the start of his radicalization.

"This next most important phase of the investigation is to find out how that radicalization happened and if it happened on that trip," Orleans Parish District Attorney Jason Williams told ABC News.

New Orleans attack: Suspect's travel to Egypt under investigation

The suspect in the truck attack that killed 14 and injured dozens on New Orleans' Bourbon street on New Year's had traveled to Egypt in 2023 for about a month.

abcnews.go.com

 

[knla]

Take this as rumor for now because i can not find a msm article: I was listening to msnbc about 45 mins ago and they said that an unusual substance was used in making the bombs.
Did anyone else hear that?

I found reference to unusual bomb making material at click2houston tv channel web site. Is that allowed?

 

[K.jill]

I found reference to unusual bomb making material at click2houston tv channel web site. Is that allowed?

I do not know if it is allowed. But a few posts back imstillagrandma posted an article that is.
Thank you for looking. It seems like interesting info to me.

 

[nightowl1975]

This is heartbreaking to read, especially when you consider that they have used resources to have a marching band and game and let's not forget being open as usual for a steak.

This is confusing to me. The marching band and steak house employees working or not isn’t going to change how long it takes to identify the dead.

 

[nightowl1975]

Maybe in the future, don't advertise that the street will be fully open ?

Traffic is already nearly impossible to deal with as it is. Keeping it under wraps which streets are open vs closed would make it far worse to the point of being completely impractical.

 

[indicolite22]

I hear what you're saying, you make good points.

I'm just getting the feeling that Jabbar was looking for justification for the evil he intended to commit. I think he found that justification in ISIS. MOO But, had he not found ISIS, I think he would have found a different justification for his evil.

It just seems too convenient to me that he mentions wanting to kill his family and then switches over to killing innocent unknowns, which somehow (according to him) honors the war between the believers and the infidels.

At this point (MOO) I honestly think he just wanted to kill because he hated his own life and he wanted to go out in a big way.

At this point, the Feds will be all over his PC and laptop to determine who he was chatting with. I'd like to know where he got that flag. Did he order it off the internet? Or, did a member of ISIS ship it to him? I'm guessing the former, although any online groupies that belonged to the real ISIS would probably have been tickled to have an American attack his own countrymen.

I find it odd that he didn't tell his friends things that might make them think he had joined ISIS. Maybe I'm way off base here, but when I think of someone being "radicalized," I think of them adopting the lifestyle that goes with that radicalization--not keeping it under wraps.

Like I said, I could be very wrong, but that's just the feeling I'm getting right now. As more information comes out, I may change my opinion.

His friends did notice that he became very religious. His first wife labeled him crazy and didn't let him see their daughters. Apparently he thought music came from the devil. Of course he had to maintain some facade, not to be caught before he could carry out the attack. IF he didn't connect with ISIS members/sympathizers in real life, he could probably find them online.