Latest from George Anthony 1-2-09 at 11:58 PM

[LancelotLink]

Ok...now I gotta go look!

I know I have at least three rolls somewhere...thought it would probably take LE to find it.

 

[texaslb218]

isn't it possible that some of the inconsistencies that we've heard are due in part because that was the parent's interpretations from what Casey led them to believe? here's an example that I would LOVE to find the answer if it is in any of the documents. Keep in mind that I read the entire 700+ pages but I did not recall reading about the Tiffany Ring. Let me explain. In the recent release of the jailhouse chats with Casey and her parents, Cindy talks about a Tiffany Ring that Casey had and who gave it to her. Casey states that Jeff gave it to her. Well...we all know that one of the "Jeff's" in the picture is a made up person that never existed, the other is a Jeff who had not seen Casey in a long time....so my guess is that Casey bought that ring for herself with stolen money or whatever and "Jeff" was the made up excuse to her parents. NOW..if her parents were to be on LKL and Cindy says that Jeff bought Casey that ring....is she lying? No. Because to her knowledge...that is what she was told. Hence the same with the photographs. I can just hear Cindy going off on Casey and Casey telling her "MOM...I was not at any nightclub! Those pics were from when I was pregnant with Caylee".....and then Cindy gets sideblocked by the media shoving microphones in her face and she tells them..."Those pics were taken when she was pregnant, not after Caylee was kidnapped." See what I mean?

HA! I haven't read the doc dump. I only have you all to keep me informed. I am really talking at a much less complex level. The simple contradictory statements of pizza/dead body, wonderful mother, George's smells like garbage vs. decomp....those comments we have on video, that do not involve speculation, that don't rely on Casey to interpret. I think I would prefer to be thirsting for information rather than have the parents make EVEN one statement other than "Bring her home, please."

I can undertand the FLUStration of having microphones thrust in your face and not being a trained PR or PI person. I wish they had told everyone to get lost or go away or leave them alone. There is nothing good that can come from amateurs speaking to tv and radio. We all sound like stumblebums.

I wish they had shut up and not lied or told mis-truths. I wish they had begged for the baby's safe return.

Rant, over now. Thanks for your polite response, LvD!

 

[Gaia713]

Following on your thoughts, I DON'T hold the A's responsible for their daughter. I DO hold them responsible for their own statements and actions. Your example is exactly what I am talking about. The four videos detailing the inconsistencies (mistruths) they have put to the worried public further showed their own lack of honesty and forthrightness. IMO, once again.

I hold the A's responsible for not letting go of their daughter. You do the best you can with your kids, but at some point, you have to tell them they are on their own. They never did that with Casey. They were enabling her all along, and they are still enabling her. They made their choice and hopefully they will live with it for the rest of their lives. They choice their daughter over their granddaughter. Shame on them.

 

[texaslb218]

I hold the A's responsible for not letting go of their daughter. You do the best you can with your kids, but at some point, you have to tell them they are on their own. They never did that with Casey. They were enabling her all along, and they are still enabling her. They made their choice and hopefully they will live with it for the rest of their lives. They choice their daughter over their granddaughter. Shame on them.

Up thread...
"failure to launch"--I agree.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I very much agree with you. I think if they had it to do over again, nobody would ever have called LE into this.

I can't imagine anyone, doing that. The loved that child. She was their life. it was apparent in all the video's. I don't believe for a second if they had it all to do over again that they would have not called LE and would have told family members that Caylee was given up for adoption just to protect Casey. No way would I be convinced of that.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

HA! I haven't read the doc dump. I only have you all to keep me informed. I am really talking at a much less complex level. The simple contradictory statements of pizza/dead body, wonderful mother, George's smells like garbage vs. decomp....those comments we have on video, that do not involve speculation, that don't rely on Casey to interpret. I think I would prefer to be thirsting for information rather than have the parents make EVEN one statement other than "Bring her home, please."

I can undertand the FLUStration of having microphones thrust in your face and not being a trained PR or PI person. I wish they had told everyone to get lost or go away or leave them alone. There is nothing good that can come from amateurs speaking to tv and radio. We all sound like stumblebums.

I wish they had shut up and not lied or told mis-truths. I wish they had begged for the baby's safe return.

Rant, over now. Thanks for your polite response, LvD!

Well, now this I do agree with you on. However, think about this.....what do you think of people who continually say "no comment" in front of the camera's and microphones? LOL. Guilty. Gosh, I have to tell ya'...if the Anthony's said "no comment" all the time....I think instead of people parading alzheimer patients in front of their homes someone would have set it ablaze. Get my point? It's a no win situation.

 

[CarolineJ]

Ummmm, Yes I can, and I would definitely not be supporting my murdering daughter. It would be tough love and cutting her out of my life!
Other parents of murderers such as Mark Hacking's parents, Jeffrey Dahmer's father, and Ted Kaczinsky's brother didn't lie and cover-up for them. They took responsibility, turned some of them in, and apologized to their victim's families. That's doing the right thing, not unconditional family love and support at any cost. Scott Peterson's parents are a prime example of that, and I believe the Anthony's are acting much like Jackie and Lee Peterson!

Brilliant observations.

 

[LancelotLink]

Ditto! Perfectly said.

Forgive me if this was said earlier or an another thread, but isn't it amazing how GA's spin on KC and the trunk story was completely different with Greta last night than it was with LE? That's the kind of stuff that infuriates me. I noticed CA holding his hand in a death grip when he was telling the story. They talk to the public like we're all a bunch of idiots. One of my favorites was when CA told LKL the pic of KC at Fusian was "staged because she was working." I bring this stuff up because I think that's why a lot of us have trouble viewing them as truly grieving grandparents and cutting them the slack they might need. We've been deceived by them the way they've been deceived by KC. They have even lied to LE. Speaking for myself, I vacillate between feeling sorry for them and real anger.

GA and the gas cans! I posted this last night and had to go back and check, but on 7/31 GA told FBI that on the 24th, he had seen into KC's trunk, talked about blue bins. I think he also said CA didn't know he was talking with FBI.
Then, 5 days later, he tells the OCSO that he wasn't close enough to see into the trunk. I did not look in the trunk, he said.

Then, you have the whole car chase scenaio. He said he did, but CA, who according to GA told him not to chase KC, denied having any knowledge of this.

Small wonder we are left thinking the worse.

 

[capps]

isn't it possible that some of the inconsistencies that we've heard are due in part because that was the parent's interpretations from what Casey led them to believe? here's an example that I would LOVE to find the answer if it is in any of the documents. Keep in mind that I read the entire 700+ pages but I did not recall reading about the Tiffany Ring. Let me explain. In the recent release of the jailhouse chats with Casey and her parents, Cindy talks about a Tiffany Ring that Casey had and who gave it to her. Casey states that Jeff gave it to her. Well...we all know that one of the "Jeff's" in the picture is a made up person that never existed, the other is a Jeff who had not seen Casey in a long time....so my guess is that Casey bought that ring for herself with stolen money or whatever and "Jeff" was the made up excuse to her parents. NOW..if her parents were to be on LKL and Cindy says that Jeff bought Casey that ring....is she lying? No. Because to her knowledge...that is what she was told. Hence the same with the photographs. I can just hear Cindy going off on Casey and Casey telling her "MOM...I was not at any nightclub! Those pics were from when I was pregnant with Caylee".....and then Cindy gets sideblocked by the media shoving microphones in her face and she tells them..."Those pics were taken when she was pregnant, not after Caylee was kidnapped." See what I mean?

I understand you completely and agree. I don't think GA and CA can make any sense of what KC is spewing,so they just kind of go with the flow,just to be able to keep some form of communication going.
Of course now that little Caylee has been found,it's claimed that KC doesn't want to see them because of the media...I have a feeling CA is almost afraid to see KC,not being able to hold back her emotions.

 

[LCoastMom]

JMO but there is a bit of difference between kids getting in trouble and planning and following through with the murder of your 2 year old child, leaving their tiny body to rot for months with no ounce of remorse or sorrow.

You're right it's a huge difference, but how do we reconcile ourselves from our kids causing some trouble to our kids becoming murderers?

I met a lady almost 4 1/2 years ago who lost a grandbaby to SIDS, a very short time later her 2.5 yr grand daughter died suddenly. Her son was arrested for the little girls murder, the baby was exhumed and that was changed to murder also.

Her son fought his ex for custody of the girl and won, new baby was 6ish mos old healthy. he lived with the babies mother, all was well. What happened? He loved his kids, wanted his kids. Till he snapped. It took his mom over 2 years to accept what he did. Gma kept claiming he didn't do it. IIRC he changed his plea to guilty to get LW/OP vs DP.

 

[jjgram]

The real problem is.... the parents heard a "VERSION" from KC !!!
KC told the Parents.... "THIS IS THE TRUTH ! ! !"

so..... the parents were R E P E A T I N G.... what KC said !

Which.... LE checked out... to be " L I E S "

it seems very odd that they would believe her... but like many
people say...
NO parent wants to believe that their child is a L I A R !!!
but
for sure... NO parent wants to think ....
their child is a LIAR, A Murderer of their child, their Only
Grandchild.

IT IS SO GUT wrenching.... I can barely stand it....

It is the Dead of Winter snowing up a storm / with ice & sleet...
and
a couple of field mice came into my pantry and I have been
in a panic attack... of having to
end the life... of a couple of little rodents....

so imagine...
the thought of someone you Love.... KILLING... someone ELSE
that you LOVE>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dear God In Heaven..... These poor parents.... GA & CA and
then....
the other PARENTS/GRAND PARENTS/Great Grandparents.....

all dealing with this S T U P I D ~~~ Senseless CRIME ! ! !

Dealing with this must be UNREAL for that Family....
I know
It has broken my heart...
and it must be FAR, FAR, beyond words to
be
right in the middle..... with NO END IN SIGHT....
and
KNOWING.... Only Heartache, afterrrrrrrrr...... heartache, after HEARTACHE!!!

Only God In Heaven can give them comfort.... A human mind...
just has to
take you where you can cope moment .... by moment....

JMO...........
God Bless !
jjgram

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I hold the A's responsible for not letting go of their daughter. You do the best you can with your kids, but at some point, you have to tell them they are on their own. They never did that with Casey. They were enabling her all along, and they are still enabling her. They made their choice and hopefully they will live with it for the rest of their lives. They choice their daughter over their granddaughter. Shame on them.

I cannot hold the A's responsible. And yes, at some point I'm sure their intentions was to hope that Casey was on her own...however, because a small child was involved is why I believe Cindy did not tell Casey to get the hell out. Do you not think that Cindy and George would have welcomed a "normal daughter" ? It's obvious how troubled Casey was and how manipulative and what a liar she was. Once she got pregnant I commend George and Cindy for giving Casey all that support by living at home.

I commend Cindy on her going to therapy to get insight and strength to deal with Casey once and for all. At the same time, none of us know...as yet...what types of therapy they may have tried to get for Casey through her youth and teens. We don't know what they did or did not do. We only know what we have seen through the eyes of the camera's. Regardless, Casey was an adult woman. She is responsible for her own actions. Nobody made her into what she is. She chose to live the life she lived and she chose to end the life of her beautiful child.

 

[texaslb218]

Well, now this I do agree with you on. However, think about this.....what do you think of people who continually say "no comment" in front of the camera's and microphones? LOL. Guilty. Gosh, I have to tell ya'...if the Anthony's said "no comment" all the time....I think instead of people parading alzheimer patients in front of their homes someone would have set it ablaze. Get my point? It's a no win situation.

Well, now I agree with YOU. But they were/are in a situation where they are probably not going to get a break because (fair or unfair) of their daughter's actions. I have been coached and coached to reply that all information will come from our PI officer. "No comment" DOES sound bad, but, IMO, it is the best option for most of us. The A's could have said they were sorry, worried sick and then made no further public appearances (grieving in private) or public statements. George did not need to make a public statement that he would have no further public statements.

 

[donnam]

Obviously, I don't agree with you.

1. Family dynamics are what they are. Some families are matriarchal and some are patriarchal. The whys are determined to an extent of the families of orgin-either to pattern or to rebel.

2. Some assume that Cindy runs roughshod but that may be because she is more outspoken. I can tell you that most people would feel that I run roughshod but I don't. My husband stays in the background but he has as much or more say so in the family as I do. Appearances can be deceiving.

3. He did cooperate with LE. I think he did it because he was tired of KC's BS AND because it was the right thing to do. KC threw herself under the bus when she either through neglect or intent killed her daughter.

4. Just because we don't approve of their family dysfunction or that maybe Cindy is dominant in the family, it doesn't mean that George is a terrible person. We might not like your family's dynamics and you might not like ours but it doesn't mean that we're all terrible people.

Very well said!:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Well, now I agree with YOU. But they were/are in a situation where they are probably not going to get a break because (fair or unfair) of their daughter's actions. I have been coached and coached to reply that all information will come from our PI officer. "No comment" DOES sound bad, but, IMO, it is the best option for most of us. The A's could have said they were sorry, worried sick and then made no further public appearances (grieving in private) or public statements. George did not need to make a public statement that he would have no further public statements.

I have a lot of distaste for George right now. It just hits a "little too close" to home in that I see a lot of how my own wonderful husband coddles his 29 year old daughter who is a manipulator and a chronic liar (and he admits this)...and it really is difficult to be the stepmother in a situation and to keep my mouth shut. (which I do and have no choice) I have asked my own husband deep down why he is not confronting his daughter with the truth and that he knows the truth of what she has lied about (of which there are plenty she tells) and he told me...and his exact words..."what do you want me to do? Confront her and then have her never speak to me again and then I have a heart attack in 5 years and she lives with that?"............oh my. And yes, she has him wrapped very tightly and I've spent many many many nights in which I hear the cigarette lighter flick at 2am and I roll over and ask him what's wrong...and he can't sleep. She is literally "killing him to death" with stress and worry....and yet, this 6'4" man, 255lbs, cannot point blank tell his own daughter that he is tired of her lies and manipulations. (when she does it) he skirts the issue...everytime. However, the same man will over react with his adult son. No problems telling him when he is wrong. <sigh>

 

[LCoastMom]

I very much agree with you. I think if they had it to do over again, nobody would ever have called LE into this.

This I will not believe. Cindy said early on if KC was responsible for Caylee being missing she would have to answer to it. I believe if Caylee had been found very early on we would have seen 2 very different people in C&G.

Everything they have done has been to keep Caylee alive, because LE jumped on the Caylee is deceased band wagon so quickly (and rightfully) but before they could accept it. They felt they had to be Caylee's voice. Their intention was only to keep Caylee alive not to save KC. MOO

 

[LisaNY]

Doesn't change the thing that her smart parents SHOULD HAVE KNOWN that she's not ready to have a baby and that she's NOT CAPABLE of raising one.Not to mention that they should have checked if she's telling the truth re leaving the baby with a nanny they knew nothing about.List goes on.

I absolutely agree with you. I wouldn't even let my kids have a pet until I was sure they could handle the responsibility of it. And now that my children are older (15, 19 & 20) I still know EVERY ONE of their friends, and who they are with. My one son is a Marine and he still has to tell me who he is with. These parents actually thought she was "with" the non-existant Jeff, and was planning on combining their families. They didn't know the man their daughter and granddaughter was going to be living with, why would they question the Nanny. They never knew who she was dating, or where she was sleeping or taking their granddaughter.

One more thing, in GA FBI interview, did anyone catch the part about him finding kc's resume, and after 2006 she listed "Nanny" as her occupation. Made me go hmmmmmm ..... Also, correct me, but weren't they still under the assumption that she worked at Universal??

 

[shannahg]

I'm sure most of us have kids or know someone with them. I'm sure most of us have seen the type of parent who says "not MY child, my little Johnny wouldn't DO that." At some point in life, we've all had to make the choice whether to be an enabler or one who makes them face the consequences. It is extremely clear that Casey has been coddled all of her life (even by her own admission) and that pattern is still happening with the parents, in spite of the death of Caylee - a life senselessly taken by a spoiled brat of a mom who felt she was an inconvenience. I can personally say without any doubt in my mind that if one of my family members killed another person (or participated in any crime, for that matter), I would expect that they get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I do not blame CA/GA for Caylee's death but I DO blame them for not holding Casey accountable for any of her wrong-doings in life. I fully believe that this behavior has enabled Casey to continue on this path of destruction - lying, stealing (minor crimes) until it finally escalated into Caylee's demise. Have they decided it's finally time to step back and allow KC to pay the piper? Not that I can see.... I am so angered by this senseless case. I just feel that this could have been avoided if KC had been forced to accept responsibility for her mistakes early on. Yes, she still ultimately made the choice to commit murder and even now none of the family wants to let her pay for those actions. I just can't understand it at all.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I absolutely agree with you. I wouldn't even let my kids have a pet until I was sure they could handle the responsibility of it. And now that my children are older (15, 19 & 20) I still know EVERY ONE of their friends, and who they are with. My one son is a Marine and he still has to tell me who he is with. These parents actually thought she was "with" the non-existant Jeff, and was planning on combining their families. They didn't know the man their daughter and granddaughter was going to be living with, why would they question the Nanny. They never knew who she was dating, or where she was sleeping or taking their granddaughter.

One more thing, in GA FBI interview, did anyone catch the part about him finding kc's resume, and after 2006 she listed "Nanny" as her occupation. Made me go hmmmmmm ..... Also, correct me, but weren't they still under the assumption that she worked at Universal??

Lisa, I can't even keep up myself with all the lies that Casey has told her parents. I do recall that she actually typed herself emails posing as her own boss stating to be at this event or that event, etc. and left those around the house to back up her claims of where she was going. She was a very good manipulator and liar. So all those party nights on the town her mother and father were keeping Caylee watch and thinking she was at work. As far as never knew who she was dating, they were aware of Jesse and he was brought into the family fold as was his parents. So I think they did that job right. As for the rest of the guys she was with....I've a good bet that the Anthony's were in the dark and assumed she was working when in fact we all know now she was not. She also had money because she was stealing it. I'm so sure she was probably stealing a lot more than what they even were aware.

 

[LCoastMom]

I have a lot of distaste for George right now. It just hits a "little too close" to home in that I see a lot of how my own wonderful husband coddles his 29 year old daughter who is a manipulator and a chronic liar (and he admits this)...and it really is difficult to be the stepmother in a situation and to keep my mouth shut. (which I do and have no choice) I have asked my own husband deep down why he is not confronting his daughter with the truth and that he knows the truth of what she has lied about (of which there are plenty she tells) and he told me...and his exact words..."what do you want me to do? Confront her and then have her never speak to me again and then I have a heart attack in 5 years and she lives with that?"............oh my. And yes, she has him wrapped very tightly and I've spent many many many nights in which I hear the cigarette lighter flick at 2am and I roll over and ask him what's wrong...and he can't sleep. She is literally "killing him to death" with stress and worry....and yet, this 6'4" man, 255lbs, cannot point blank tell his own daughter that he is tired of her lies and manipulations. (when she does it) he skirts the issue...everytime. However, the same man will over react with his adult son. No problems telling him when he is wrong. <sigh>

Bold mine.

Yes as a parent it's a chance he needs to take. He's not responsible for her actions (which he may not realize) but he is responsible for how he responds to her actions. He needs to cut the cord (Been there done that) daughter will get past it and then maybe she will treat him with respect.