Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[Alethea Dice]

I thought it was determined she'd gone missing in July. Wasn't the Croatia trip in June? I could be wrong.

Actually, Croatia was in August. I'm not too sure how customs would react to taking cremains on a trip without a death certificate and some type of legal paper to show you have the right to those cremains and a reason for taking them.

JMO

 

[JPC]

Actually, Croatia was in August. I'm not too sure how customs would react to taking cremains on a trip without a death certificate and some type of legal paper to show you have the right to those cremains and a reason for taking them.



JMO

Customs does not inspect every parcel or container that has been shipped and DM doesn't seem like a by the book type of guy. Just a theory.

 

[Velma]

I know this sounds far-fetched, and I have absolutely no factual basis for this, but what if DM travelled with Laura's ashes, passing them off as those of WM? At that time, no one was looking into WM's death as being suspicious and DM would have a death certificate to present at customs. JMO of course, and I don't even believe that's what happened, just a theory.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Customs does not inspect every parcel or container that has been shipped and DM doesn't seem like a by the book type of guy. Just a theory.

Maybe not. But in my city, when you ship something out of country, the package has to be open and checked before the shipping company completes the customs slip, seals it and sends it.

JMO

 

[JPC]

Maybe not. But in my city, when you ship something out of country, the package has to be open and checked before the shipping company completes the customs slip, seals it and sends it.



JMO

I ship stuff from Toronto all the time and have never had packages opened. Put it in a box, slap a FedEx/Purolator/Canada Post sticker on it, put the value and contents on the waybill and off it goes. Those companies take care of the customs end of things. I shipped business materials all the time to the US and England and never had anything opened. It wouldn't have mattered if it was because it was all legal but there is nothing to say that a Registered business that DM owned couldn't have done the same thing and I would suspect that Millardair had strong and long lasting relations with independent brokerage firms.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I think DM dumped LB's ashes in the corn stubble filled field on this farm and they became one with the earth and there was nothing to recover.

LE was seen sifting earth over a spot in the field.

If for instance they found her jewellery and saw that had been through the incinerator...they still would not have a body but they would have evidence or a suggestion of what had happened.

 

[Snoofo]

I know this sounds far-fetched, and I have absolutely no factual basis for this, but what if DM travelled with Laura's ashes, passing them off as those of WM? At that time, no one was looking into WM's death as being suspicious and DM would have a death certificate to present at customs. JMO of course, and I don't even believe that's what happened, just a theory.

We have no evidence that he took any trips after Wayne died. At least not to my knowledge or recollection of sleuthed info.

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[Arnie M]

I think DM dumped LB's ashes in the corn stubble filled field on this farm and they became one with the earth and there was nothing to recover.

LE was seen sifting earth over a spot in the field.

If for instance they found her jewellery and saw that had been through the incinerator...they still would not have a body but they would have evidence or a suggestion of what had happened.

We have to remember the incinerator was bought some time after LB disappeared .... unless they "preserved" her body for a few weeks until it arrived .... but that would seem like an awkward way to get rid of evidence.

After all the dust has settled I have become more curious about the backhoe at the farm ... it is obvious DM was not farming or clearing land , or digging foundations for a house ... maybe burying things ?

 

[SnooperDuper]

We have to remember the incinerator was bought some time after LB disappeared .... unless they "preserved" her body for a few weeks until it arrived .... but that would seem like an awkward way to get rid of evidence.

After all the dust has settled I have become more curious about the backhoe at the farm ... it is obvious DM was not farming or clearing land , or digging foundations for a house ... maybe burying things ?

Could have wrapped her in a tarp and left it in the barn, ordered the incinerator to solve this problem, then put the tarp-wrapped body in the incinerator. Fluids could have leaked from the body and created the stained board that they took out of the barn.

???

 

[Snoofo]

Didn't farmers lease the field? How often would they need to be there in July/August and what equipment would they use for their work?

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[hopingforjustice]

Didn't farmers lease the field? How often would they need to be there in July/August and what equipment would they use for their work?

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Yes, the land was leased. I am not a farmer but we lease some of the land I work on to a farmer and once he has planted (cattle corn), aside from the odd visit to check his crops, we don't see him again until harvest. (in the fall)

 

[hopingforjustice]

I think DM dumped LB's ashes in the corn stubble filled field on this farm and they became one with the earth and there was nothing to recover.

LE was seen sifting earth over a spot in the field.

If for instance they found her jewellery and saw that had been through the incinerator...they still would not have a body but they would have evidence or a suggestion of what had happened.

This could very well have happened.
IF such an item was found, and perhaps a small amount of "ash" didn't match TB but was later found to be a match to LB, I could see such a small amount not to be considered remains and as such unable to return to her family but enough to qualify as proof of death?

JMO

 

[hopingforjustice]

We have to remember the incinerator was bought some time after LB disappeared .... unless they "preserved" her body for a few weeks until it arrived .... but that would seem like an awkward way to get rid of evidence.

After all the dust has settled I have become more curious about the backhoe at the farm ... it is obvious DM was not farming or clearing land , or digging foundations for a house ... maybe burying things ?

I'm with you on this one!

 

[Sillybilly]

This could very well have happened.
IF such an item was found, and perhaps a small amount of "ash" didn't match TB but was later found to be a match to LB, I could see such a small amount not to be considered remains and as such able to return to her family but enough to qualify as proof of death?

JMO

Let's say a small amount of ash matching Laura's DNA could have come from even a severed finger ... so not enough to be 100% confirmation of her death to her family, but maybe enough when combined with circumstantial evidence to justify a 1st degree murder charge and subsequent conviction based on 90% being beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[Snoofo]

Given the parade of fools with cameras, I haven't quite dismissed the idea of video evidence, which I prefer not to entertain because it's so sad.


Could murder 1 charges be laid if evidence was written confirmation via any digital messaging system (social media, steam) and without verifiable remains?

Since so many people in these circles are often in trouble with the law, I can imagine a lot of talking is going on to LE. And given a lot of these people get high and drunk, the lips have many opportunities to get loose so I'm sure LE gets many leads.

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[Snoofo]

"I can only think that under the circumstances, where the investigation is still ongoing, they may have received some information that's given them reasonable grounds to believe that these people are involved in her death, but haven't recovered a body to say to the family, 'You can now close the door and move forward.'"

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/45...ce-on-missing-babcock-appears-unprecedented/

Perhaps one individual's testimony would be reasonable grounds for the charge. The question is, if the crucial evidence to cause charges is an eyewitness account, is the witness credible enough and would they have something to gain personally through perjury? Given the parade of players, the idea of a credible eyewitness seems unlikely. Imagine if Spiken Mike takes the stand?

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[matou]

I have a feeling LB was a possible thrill-kill. She was an easy target, messed up, on drugs, no real secure home, living off of her escorting. Only traceable thing was her phone which I'm not sure DM considered at all. JMO

 

[Arnie M]

This could very well have happened.
IF such an item was found, and perhaps a small amount of "ash" didn't match TB but was later found to be a match to LB, I could see such a small amount not to be considered remains and as such unable to return to her family but enough to qualify as proof of death?

JMO

I was thinking the same thing .... I posted it on the other thread

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[Snoofo]

Matou, at first and until a short while ago she did seem like an easy target if you just have an impression of her "type" as the lost and troubled soul. But in the last month we've learned she was a little feisty to say the least, either prepared to not take sh** from anyone or prepared to seek revenge (i.e. ex boyfriend with husky) if things didn't go her way. I think her outbursts and behaviours due to mental illness might have gotten her into serious trouble. When the dark side kicks in, it's possible that a normally sweet and bubbly person can get mean, manipulative and sinister. She may have seen/heard something and threatened to go to LE or to someone else to divulge secrets. She may have blackmailed someone for cash who doesn't take kindly to being blackmailed. If not that, then perhaps she stole a shoebox full of money and that pissed off the wrong person. Whatever happened to her, unless she was passed out stoned I don't think LB went down without a fight.

Disclaimer! I realize Laura is a victim and this is not to say in the least bit that she got what was coming to her even if she went over the edge insane. I am exploring the situations by which she could have been murdered.

Deep down I'm hoping she hopped on a bus to the prairies with another box of cash to hide from her demons and start anew.

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[hopingforjustice]

I have a feeling LB was a possible thrill-kill. She was an easy target, messed up, on drugs, no real secure home, living off of her escorting. Only traceable thing was her phone which I'm not sure DM considered at all. JMO

So many thoughts go thru my head..what she knew? what she saw? Did they feel they needed to quiet her or was it something as "simple" (and by no means do I mean any disrespect in that) as a party gone bad and death by overdose.

But even if the most innocent of those options occurred, hiding and/or disposing of her body still puts someone in the hot seat. They didn't have to "pull the trigger" to still make this a very serious crime.

JMO