Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.15.17 - Day 16

[andreww]

When was the photo taken of the bones inside of the eliminator? I wonder if DM didn't dispose of LB in two separate firings, and the second firing didn't complete. It seems odd that the bones found in the photo were the arm bones. I would expect that the larger femer bones would be present, but they weren't.

DM sent a msg asking how long the firing would take. I expect that he gave it the required amount of time and then walked away from it. He wouldn't open it up to check.JMO

To be brutally honest, the way they rolled her up "like a spliff" and the fact that she would have been stiff as a board by the time they got around to burning her, I can only guess that they put the spliff in feet first and just kept pushing her in until the could close the door. This might explain why the burn wasn't completed.

 

[EspressoBean]

It sure seems like DM is just testifying right now without having to be on the stand.

 

[andreww]

So do you think they would leave it a month, before they cleaned out the "debris". I would have thought they would want to get rid of any evidence asap.

It was the "another" dead deer, that got me (and sent a shiver down my spine)

I think they just thought there were ashes in there. With it tucked away in the barn there was just no urgency to clean it out.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

To be brutally honest, the way they rolled her up "like a spliff" and the fact that she would have been stiff as a board by the time they got around to burning her, I can only guess that they put the spliff in feet first and just kept pushing her in until the could close the door. This might explain why the burn wasn't completed.

Rigor only lasts approx. 72 hours after death.. tops...

 

[Satchie]

I think they didn't return to the farm until late August when they realized the LB burn hadn't completed, necessitating a second burn.

Reviewing the timeline, the day after the body was presumably burned, DM texted with SS about the incinerator not working, needing a bigger generator, etc. Then, two days later in July 26, he was contacted by SL about Laura being missing, and the next day met up with him. Then he went to Croatia around August 5-17.

I wonder if he was spooked by SL's identifying him as the last person to be in contact with LB. Waited a bit to see if police were going to question him. Finally, decided to do another burn. I think SS was probably more knowledgable abiut how to fill a propane tank, I'm not sure DM would be any good at that. And he wouldn't want to be around when SS did it, so he wouldn't have to answer questions.

 

[Dion]

I don't remember it being said that LB was believed to be burned at the hangar. I don't know that it has been clear up until this point. I perhaps missed something.

I can't recall with certainty, but wasn't the pic of MS holding the "ash raker" taken at the hangar, the same night he created his "ashy stone" rap.

 

[Nosey Parker]

It sure seems like DM is just testifying right now without having to be on the stand.

But what is the point he is trying to make? Beats me.

 

[Claroon]

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Millard was in a rush to get the trailer done, Schlatman says, that's why so many people were helping. #LauraBabcock

But they all shouldn't be there snapping pictures as welding torches can blind a person.

 

[redwing7225]

Millard pulls up a photo of the Toronto hangar, we see a number of cars, an airplane, helicopter, boat, tractors. And there seems to be a band practice in the middle.

Schlatman says when he first started working with Millard, it was at the Toronto site on weekends.

Millard, "Who signed your cheques when you started working full time?"

Schlatman, "You."

Millard, "I'm going to suggest it was Wayne Millard."

Schlatman gives a puzzled expression. He doesn't recall that.

by Shannon Martin 4:23 PM

 

[Tealgrove]

To be brutally honest, the way they rolled her up "like a spliff" and the fact that she would have been stiff as a board by the time they got around to burning her, I can only guess that they put the spliff in feet first and just kept pushing her in until the could close the door. This might explain why the burn wasn't completed.

Rigor mortis sets in fairly quickly and then dissipates over a few days. By the time they got around to cremation, her body would be well on the way to decomposing. She would not have been stiff at that point.

 

[EspressoBean]

But what is the point he is trying to make? Beats me.

I think a lot of what he does is mess with people. He doesn't really have much to lose.
Like the pics he posts of his ex-fiance. Just because he can.....his way of feeling in control, having some power - something he needs to feel, imo.

 

[redwing7225]

For the second time this trial, Millard pulls up a photo of himself holding a cat, with a petite blonde woman.

Schlatman identifies her as "Jen."

Millard asks Schlatman if he remembers who Millard brought to his wedding? Jen or Christina Noudga?

He ended up bringing Noudga.

Millard moves onto his next point.

by Shannon Martin 4:26 PM

 

[Claroon]

Yes, I paid $250 a few years ago to have my pupper cremated. At the time they offered a cheaper alternative, which I found a little strange, but maybe a viable alternative for others... apparently they will do a “mass cremation” whereby they do a few animals at once and then split up the ashes among the different owners. The cost of that was $50. Not something I was interested in, but I’m thinking DM would have to do an awful lot of pets to reach his goal of 100K per month!

i would assume (and hope) that uncle will testify again to dispute this ridiculous business plan?!

When they do mass cremation, ashes are taken somewhere else not divided up. We didn't want our cat ashes around the house as it would be emotionally hard. Hers were taken by the crematory to an orchard of peach trees so we were told at the time we lived in BC.

 

[Tealgrove]

For the second time this trial, Millard pulls up a photo of himself holding a cat, with a petite blonde woman.

Schlatman identifies her as "Jen."

Millard asks Schlatman if he remembers who Millard brought to his wedding? Jen or Christina Noudga?

He ended up bringing Noudga.

Millard moves onto his next point.

by Shannon Martin 4:26 PM

What is the point of this? Is he just messing around?

 

[redwing7225]

Millard pulls up a photo of a 1968 red Camaro. He asks Schlatman what he got him for a wedding present?

Schlatman tells the jury Millard bought him half a Camaro. But Schlatman wanted it for himself, so he bought out Millard.

Another photo, of another woman sitting on the steps of a small airplane. Millard asks if Schlatman recognizes the woman. He does not.

Millard, "Is that Christina Noudga?"

Schlatman responds, "It doesn't appear to be."

by Shannon Martin 4:28 PM

 

[Jealoushe]

Millard pulls up a photo of the Toronto hangar, we see a number of cars, an airplane, helicopter, boat, tractors. And there seems to be a band practice in the middle.

Schlatman says when he first started working with Millard, it was at the Toronto site on weekends.

Millard, "Who signed your cheques when you started working full time?"

Schlatman, "You."

Millard, "I'm going to suggest it was Wayne Millard."

Schlatman gives a puzzled expression. He doesn't recall that.

by Shannon Martin 4:23 PM

Yeah, tell the Jury you used to sign this guys cheques...that is not going to help your case

Millard pulls up a photo of a 1968 red Camaro. He asks Schlatman what he got him for a wedding present?

Schlatman tells the jury Millard bought him half a Camaro. But Schlatman wanted it for himself, so he bought out Millard.

Another photo, of another woman sitting on the steps of a small airplane. Millard asks if Schlatman recognizes the woman. He does not.

Millard, "Is that Christina Noudga?"

Schlatman responds, "It doesn't appear to be."

by Shannon Martin 4:28 PM

whats the point of all this??

 

[lclabtech]

Half a car is a really weird present.


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[Tealgrove]

Millard pulls up a photo of a 1968 red Camaro. He asks Schlatman what he got him for a wedding present?

Schlatman tells the jury Millard bought him half a Camaro. But Schlatman wanted it for himself, so he bought out Millard.

Another photo, of another woman sitting on the steps of a small airplane. Millard asks if Schlatman recognizes the woman. He does not.

Millard, "Is that Christina Noudga?"

Schlatman responds, "It doesn't appear to be."

by Shannon Martin 4:28 PM

What is he doing? I thought he had to cross on testimony that was already presented. What does this have to do with SS's testimony?

 

[musicaljoke]

To be brutally honest, the way they rolled her up "like a spliff" and the fact that she would have been stiff as a board by the time they got around to burning her, I can only guess that they put the spliff in feet first and just kept pushing her in until the could close the door. This might explain why the burn wasn't completed.

Possibly, but it is also possible that the body would fall apart when they went to move it. If DM loaded the machine by himself, he might have tried a lighter load.

Pardon me for being so graphic. My DH is a veterinarian and I've been there when he has done autopsies in the field after an animal has been missing for a few days. The carcasses come apart rather easily.

 

[EspressoBean]

What is the point of this? Is he just messing around?

My thoughts.....ex fiance has spoken against him (thus, getting a publication ban on her name during TB trial) and has likely also made a statement against him at WM's murder trial. DM was used to controlling her - cheated on her, the engagement was broken but he was still able to keep this woman tied to him. Now, he is finding any ways he can to be in control, hurt her, affect her since she didn't do what he wanted her to do when he was arrested.
jmo, of course.