Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.21.17 - Day 19

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

The two of you were paying your way by working, Dungey says, and Meneses agrees. They weren't free loading. They would go back and forth between Millard and Smich homes.

The fact that #Smich and Meneses were together all the time became a problem, "it's just not normal," Dungey says. #Smich called his rhymes "hip hop," and Meneses found him cocky and got upset that he didn't rap about her, she agrees.
Mark #Smich commonly called women "*****," Meneses agrees that was part of his lingo. #Smich often asked Meneses to leave when he had young friends over who wanted to buy weed, she agrees. They would smoke up in a back shed.


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[NoodlesMcgee]

The lying under oath was to police not in court. Calm down everyone. It will be clarified in redirect.

 

[gremlingrrl]

Lisa Hepfner‏
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Meneses says she and #Smich also did cocaine throughout their relationship

That's an awful lot of blow comped by Millard.

 

[RandomName479]

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"It's not normal two people always being together, it's bound to cause friction?" Dungey says.

"Correct," the witness responds.

Dungey switches to Smich's rapping. "He was rapping all the time? The story-telling type?"

Meneses agrees.

"It's common for him to use the word *****," Dungey says, which is common in "certain youth groups."

"Yes," Meneses says.

 

[zencompass]

Is DM dense? Why is he admitting all this gun stuff and buying ammunition? Just clueless.

Maybe he is proud of his "accomplishments", such as purchasing guns and ammo.

Hopefully he tells more about his "accomplishments". Narcissists usually do.

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

There were usually two cars in the #Smich garage, one of them his sister's, Meneses agrees. Another friend, Carlos, was staying at #Smich house when she was there and was supposed to work on cars, she agrees. He didn't do a good job of the car repair, Meneses says.

Meneses and #Smich would go visit an old friend of Mark's when they lived at Riverside; Iisho. Party time, she agrees.

Rapping was what Mark most wanted to do in life, Meneses agrees. Millard was going to be his producer, and make him a studio. #Smich was always playing the part of a rapper, night and day, Meneses agrees.

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[RandomName479]

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"It was his aim in life, his goal," Dungey says about Smich's rapping.

Millard talked about getting him a studio, recording an album.

"Mark was always talking in a rap matter, playing a part," Dungey says. "He lives it night and day."

"Correct," Meneses answered.

Dungey now takes the witness to her testimony about The Eliminator.

"It was not uncommon for Mark and Millard to tell you to go off on your own? That wasn't unusual," Dungey says.

Meneses agrees.

Dungey "They weren't saying 'get away from here, get away from here?'"

Meneses agrees. They told her they were testing it.

 

[FastLikeLight]

"How do you spell the word hangar?"

Did he try to intimidate her? Like hang-ye

Why did he introduce 2 guns in the trial? imho, it moves scale towards that guns could have been used in killing, especially in the farm.

 

[banting]

That's an awful lot of blow comped by Millard.

Funny how at the TB trial no one was allowed to mention anything other than weed whereas this time it's accepted that hard stuff was routine. I am waiting for someone to confirm that DM was selling all this stuff to them - there's no way he gave it away. He even told LB the weed he going to bring her was $20.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

"How do you spell the word hangar?"

Did he try to intimidate her? Like hang-ye

Why did he introduce 2 guns in the trial? imho, it moves scale towards that guns could have been used in killing, especially in the farm.

Because he doesn't understand what he's doing. Discrediting a witness is less important than admitting you have guns and ammunition.

 

[RandomName479]

CBC Live Blog

Dungey turns to the iPad.

Meneses recalls Millard and Smich deleting "stuff off the iPad."

Dungey points out other people used the iPad, including Millard, and his then girlfriend, Christina Noudga.

Meneses responds, "correct."

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

Dungey now asking about the iPad, and how Meneses and #Smich were going to share it. They were deleting things. Did she ask them how to use it? She assumes so but doesn't remember.

It wasn't just their iPad, a lot of people would use that iPad. Millard, Noudga, (yeah, she used it a lot) other friends of theirs used it a lot too, she says. #LauraBabcock

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[zencompass]

Dear FastLikeLight,

I agree with you that he is trying to intimidate her. They seem to be back in their old roles - he being the powerful one with money for food and other things - and she working all kinds of jobs for him while he intimidates her.

So glad he introduced two guns.

The tide is changing. I am very much looking forward to this afternoon's testimony.

 

[RandomName479]

CBC Live Blog

Dungey, "You come to court, yoo come to tell the truth. You've admitted at times you did lie, right? But you're telling the truth today?"

Meneses, "Yes."

Dungey, "The iPad was given to you by Mark and Millard?"

Meneses, repeats, "yes."

Dungey is done.

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

Meneses says she does her best to tell the truth in court. She lied early on, she says, but she's telling the truth today, the iPad came to her and Smich from Millard. Dungey done.

Jill Cameron up now for re-direct. When is her birthday? Feb 26. So when Millard gave her part of the old phone 4S, was it around that date? No, way after, she says.

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[Nosey Parker]

Good way to look at it Inspector_North

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Dungey, "You come to court, yoo come to tell the truth. You've admitted at times you did lie, right? But you're telling the truth today?"

Meneses, "Yes."

Dungey, "The iPad was given to you by Mark and Millard?"

Meneses, repeats, "yes."

Dungey is done.

What? Is Dungey now MM's lawyer?

 

[RandomName479]

CBC Live Blog

Crown Jill Cameron is back up to clarify a couple of points.

She pulls up Meneses police statement from June 2013, when officers asked if she had seen the incinerator in use, and she responded, "one time."

Meneses then goes on in the police statement to describe the trip the farm, being told to stay in the car - the same as her testimony Friday.

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

June 13, 2013, Meneses gave her first statement to police. "They did use it, that thing, once before," The officer says the cremator thing? Yes, then she tells the story about seeing Smich and Millard using incinerator.

Meneses, in that first statement, told police she was made to stay in the car when #Smich and #Millard were working with the incinerator. #LauraBabcock

 

[RandomName479]

CBC Live Blog

Lots of questions from readers about Mark Smich's demeanour during his ex's time in the witness box.

For almost the entire morning, he's been typing on a laptop. He's got a word document open, and is continuously typing. I haven't seen him look at Meneses.

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

Meneses told police in June 2013 that Smich and Millard tried to use the incinerator in the barn but they "didn't have a plug." She also told police she didn't know what the men were doing, she had been told to stay in the car and not pay attention. #LauraBabcock

Crown clarifies that she's asking these questions to counter Millard's assertion that Meneses wasn't honest with police during that first interview. Truth is in entirety of interview, Cameron suggests.

Meneses gave a total of eight statements to police, crown Cameron says. Millard asked Meneses about lies under oath, about cancelling the phone and about never seeing interview. Those were from her May 22, 2013 statement, her first to police.