Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.21.17 - Day 19

[RandomName479]

CBC Live Blog

Cameron continues to refer to Meneses police statements.

"You gave a total of eight police statements and testified over three days at another proceeding. Mr. Millard asked you about two lies under oath to police. The first in relation to cancelling a phone and ever seeing an incinerator. Why did you not tell the truth?"

Cameron says the two lies were told in her first full statement to police, on May 22, 2013.

Meneses, explains "It was all fresh, I wasn't sure, I was scared. I was young."

Cameron asks, "Since that time, have you lied to police?"

"No" she answers.

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

"It was all fresh, I was scared. I was young," Meneses says she hasn't lied under oath since that first interview. #LauraBabcock

May 22, 2013 was the first full statement of substance Meneses made to police, Cameron clarifies. #LauraBabcock

Why did she lie about firing the gun before she corrected herself, today in court? Because she didn't want to remember doing that, Meneses tells Justice Code.

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

Marlena Meneses has finished her testimony. Another witness is coming up before lunch. #LauraBabcock

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[RandomName479]

CBC Live Blog

Marlena Meneses is done in the witness box.

The Crown calls the next witness, Julie Gallie. She's a community recreation programmer, from Claireville Conservation Area, a job she's held since 2012.

She knows Christina Noudga. Noudga was a staff person at the centre in 2012.

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

Julie Gallie is the next witness. Community recreation programmer for the city of Toronto. They run a Clairville (sp?) day camp in the summer. Gallie is in charge of the staff, and preparation of the camp.

Kids go to camp July-August. She's been doing the job since 2010. Christina Noudga was one of the employees working there in 2012. Not after 2012. Kids at camp are aged 6-16, bussed in.

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[mimimic]

Wonder if DM can spell Moot point?

CBC Live Blog

Crown Jill Cameron is back up to clarify a couple of points.

She pulls up Meneses police statement from June 2013, when officers asked if she had seen the incinerator in use, and she responded, "one time."

Meneses then goes on in the police statement to describe the trip the farm, being told to stay in the car - the same as her testimony Friday.

 

[Inspector_North]

Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

Why did she lie about firing the gun before she corrected herself, today in court? Because she didn't want to remember doing that, Meneses tells Justice Code.

What else did she not want to remember? I'm not buying her claimed new improved candor. MOO

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

Noudga was a camp counsellor "so she was overseeing a group of children all day every day." Noudga would have rode in on the bus with the kids, as bus monitor, making sure everyone got on etc. 21 stops through Etobicoke. Noudga would get on at Brown's Line

Councillors were not allowed to use their phones while at work, they were aged 17-mid 20's. Gallie agrees they weren't allowed to use phones but they didn't have oversight all the time. Millard & Dungey no questions. She is done.

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[RandomName479]

CBC Live Blog

Noudga was a camp counsellor, overseeing children taking part in summer programming.

Gallie tells the court camp counsellors were not allowed to use their cell phones while they were monitoring the children.

Crown Ken Lockhart concludes this very brief line of questioning to the witness.

Millard and Mark Smich's lawyer, Thomas Dungey, have no questions.

huh? This makes me think CN may be coming up.....

 

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Lisa Hepfner @HefCHCHNews

Noudga was a camp counsellor "so she was overseeing a group of children all day every day." Noudga would have rode in on the bus with the kids, as bus monitor, making sure everyone got on etc. 21 stops through Etobicoke. Noudga would get on at Brown's Line

Councillors were not allowed to use their phones while at work, they were aged 17-mid 20's. Gallie agrees they weren't allowed to use phones but they didn't have oversight all the time. Millard & Dungey no questions. She is done.

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What was the point of this witness?

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[RandomName479]

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Justice Michael Code calls for the lunch break. Some legal discussions happening now. I'll let you know how long the break is momentarily.

I'm going to have to bow out after lunch.....hoping someone can jump in?

 

[inbetweendoors]

CBC Live Blog

Justice Michael Code calls for the lunch break. Some legal discussions happening now. I'll let you know how long the break is momentarily.

I'm going to have to bow out after lunch.....hoping someone can jump in?

Same with me for the tweets. Any takers?

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[FastLikeLight]

What was the point of this witness?

Maybe that CN was with kids during the day? Maybe even on July 4th.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

The lying under oath was to police not in court. Calm down everyone. It will be clarified in redirect.

Clarified later in re-direct yes, but she lied on the stand and admitted to lying on the stand today seconds later.. Admitted to lying, and apologized for it..

Millard, "I'm going to suggest you fired that gun."
Meneses, "No." Then she changes her mind, when Millard says they went to his farm and she fired it.
"Yes," she responds.
Millard, "So you were lying a second ago?"
Meneses, "Yes, I'm sorry."

 

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Maybe that CN was with kids during the day? Maybe even on July 4th.

The point seems to be about phone usage though...

And it's really irrelevant because the witness said that even though staff weren't supposed to use their phones at work, they weren't monitored and could have.

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[caseyjonesin905]

Is DM dense? Why is he admitting all this gun stuff and buying ammunition? Just clueless.

Maybe trying to establish everyone had access to the guns.. I'm still standing by my thought that DM is going to suggest he was just cleaning up someone's mess..

 

[DeaconBrodie]

One thing that is important to keep in mind is that questions put to witnesses are not evidence. The only evidence in a trial is put forward by witnesses who are under oath.

That being said, when a person is defending himself, every word that he says will be analyzed by the jury whether it is 'evidence' or not and it can have a huge impact them.

DM continues to dig deeper.....

 

[mimimic]

That and maybe something about the Browns Line stop?

The point seems to be about phone usage though...

And it's really irrelevant because the witness said that even though staff weren't supposed to use their phones at work, they weren't monitored and could have.

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[musicaljoke]

What was the point of this witness?

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Not sure, but curious. Perhaps someone missed a day at work? Better recheck the timeline.

 

[Ashley96]

What was the point of this witness?

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could it be to counter some possible defense argument that Noudga couldn't have sent or received calls/text during her working hours....?? Shrugs...probably will become clearer before this trial ends but it does look like CN evidence is coming up...