Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.22.17 - Day 20

[mimimic]

Just looked it up, likely too far apart. November with AM's phone. Jan for calendar entry

Right! Why did DM want to make a deal? in his calendar wondering what she wants.....huh!

 

[bakingirl]

I'm just catching up from the day's tweets. I'm starting to think that all the odd testimony that didn't go anywhere has either been put away by legal arguments OR the Crown is trying to fend off possible defense strategies.

Hopefully the Crown has been strategic with these last witnesses and is just trying to avoid potential defences by DM or Dungey

 

[bakingirl]

There is ZERO chance Dungey knew of that song's existence. He's a 70 year old white man. You're telling me he's driving around blasting some incredibly old school vulgar rap songs? So given that. Dungey did not research very little known old school rap songs to prove some odd point or have some moment. Especially since nobody knows that song. Especially not the jury nor the spectators. NOBODY would get the reference.Please give me a break. Even if he did know the song and all that.. What made him so sure Ish would have known this song?? MS told him to say it. Simple as that. Stop reaching guys lol

Hi Night_is_Mine, you may be right but most 70 year old lawyers I know are pretty awesome!

 

[Tilly23]

I have two takes on this:
She stole it and entries to pretend that she found it in the park

OR

DM found a way to plant it on her or put it in her possession so that he had a reason to ruin her reputation with others and further isolate her from the group so that his posse would dislike her and not care if she went missing.


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OR might I suggest a third possibility? (Though this one might have similar consequences to your second take).

1 - LB's dad really did find an iphone in the park and gave it to her. She used it as her "ipod".
AND
2 - AM's iphone went missing (maybe DM took it?) and DM decided to create another little wedge between people by suggesting maybe LB stole it.

So, DM stole LB's "ipod" and got the serial number off of it. Then he pretended to just "find" her misplaced "ipod" and told her it was AM's. He claimed it had the serial number for AM's missing phone, but we don't know that this was true, only that DM said it was. See texts starting November 30, 2012 from billandrews timeline for this series of events.

This is something I brought up in an earlier post as an example of how manipulative DM could be. As I noted there, I am inclined to believe LB's story because she stuck to it during her text exchange with DM on December 8th when he promised to "reward her honesty".

Others have noted how DM played people off against each other. I think this is just another example.

All MOO.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

Millard asks, "there were requests for ammunition after the sale?"

Ward-Jackson says he doesn't recall. "I never provided ammunition or anything like that," Ward-Jackson says.
by Shannon Martin 4:12 PM


Millard asks about Ward-Jackson's relationship with Smich's sister, "did you ever live in a shed next to that house? In the basement?"

Ward-Jackson says no on both accounts.
by Shannon Martin 4:13 PM

This perhaps may have been effective if only a doofus defense lawyer hadn't accused someone of bring ammunition across the border with him.

 

[paris_paris]

OR might I suggest a third possibility? (Though this one might have similar consequences to your second take).

1 - LB's dad really did find an iphone in the park and gave it to her. She used it as her "ipod".
AND
2 - AM's iphone went missing (maybe DM took it?) and DM decided to create another little wedge between people by suggesting maybe LB stole it.

So, DM stole LB's "ipod" and got the serial number off of it. Then he pretended to just "find" her misplaced "ipod" and told her it was AM's. He claimed it had the serial number for AM's missing phone, but we don't know that this was true, only that DM said it was. See texts starting November 30, 2012 from billandrews timeline for this series of events.

This is something I brought up in an earlier post as an example of how manipulative DM could be. As I noted there, I am inclined to believe LB's story because she stuck to it during her text exchange with DM on December 8th when he promised to "reward her honesty".

Others have noted how DM played people off against each other. I think this is just another example.

All MOO.

Maybe. Personally I think LB helped herself to a phone in DM's house that nobody was using. She just wanted it for music.

 

[tmar]

marianne boucher‏
@CityCourtsTO
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Millard: Our friendship ended.
Michalski: Thats right.
Millard:You know I'm a chef, helicopter pilot, makeup artist for gore, that stuff..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPPvfioXkAEwI6C.jpg

Thanks Velma.
DM, amongst his many talents, he also feels he is more knowledgeable than the expert witnesses he questions, stating his own capabilities continually.
A real narcissist and a Lawyer.
He forgets to note, a creep and murderer!!!!

 

[Coldpizza]

Friendly reminder.

The jury has left the courtroom for the day, we'll be with you tomorrow morning at 11:30 a.m. ET.

 

[Oreck]

Absolutely. And there is no way it was anything but that. What else could it be? That question did nothing to help his client. Why is old man Dungey engaging in these games..

Possibly he was advertising. If you need a lawyer when you get out. Better Call Dungey.

 

[XFP]

There have been some good suggestions on what Dungey`s intention was, and I`ll throw in one more. Pocket Full of Stones tells a big, long extended story about a drug empire and murdering a cop and then murdering a judge and then getting back out and starting all over again. Presumably the artists didn`t actually do any of this. Dungey may come back around to this later to illustrate how rappers tell stories through their raps that aren`t grounded in the facts of their direct actions or experience, but in story telling and art. And because the song was "old school", its a good example that they've been doing that for a long time and it's an inherent part of the genre. Getting "Ish" to acknowledge he recongnizes a song thrown at him somewhat randomly establishes it as a solid example of the genre.

Excellent point. Clears it up for me.

 

[Velma]

Another one: Manly Man


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I love that the business card has taken on steam and is continuing tonight! LOL

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

Possibly he was advertising. If you need a lawyer when you get out. Better Call Dungey.

I think he's like 70 years old. Probably be done practicing by the time MWJ needs another lawyer.

 

[gremlingrrl]

No...didn't happen. Just a hypothetical based on how AM was answering questions.

Ah. Durr. Gotcha. Seem to have missed the first line.

 

[gremlingrrl]

No, that was fiction.

Yeah. Got it (now). Not that most of this trial has been so bizarre that it could have been a plausible dialogue, or anything....

 

[chunchoboi]

Maybe he is looking to replace "The Most Interesting Man in the World" in those commercials. :silly:

y'all are cracking me up today w this commentary lol

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

So given the judge said the crown may only have 1 witness left depending on legal arguements, I assume they are trying to get the judge to allow in something else. Perhaps in light of MWJ and his amensia today they'll try to get more gun related DM/MWJ information in.

 

[brightii]

There have been some good suggestions on what Dungey`s intention was, and I`ll throw in one more. Pocket Full of Stones tells a big, long extended story about a drug empire and murdering a cop and then murdering a judge and then getting back out and starting all over again. Presumably the artists didn`t actually do any of this. Dungey may come back around to this later to illustrate how rappers tell stories through their raps that aren`t grounded in the facts of their direct actions or experience, but in story telling and art. And because the song was "old school", its a good example that they've been doing that for a long time and it's an inherent part of the genre. Getting "Ish" to acknowledge he recongnizes a song thrown at him somewhat randomly establishes it as a solid example of the genre.

He's a lawyer - and old lawyer - and he probably doesn't ask a question he doesn't know the answer to. Do you know the song "We are the Champions"? Yes? I thought so. "Pocket Full of Stones" could be the equivalent in gansterland. That song could be his go-to point when he has to defend rap lyrics or musical tastes that come up in trial.

Thank you JuneBug67 - these explanations seem very logical, IMO.

 

[matou]

This was one of two photos presented to the jury Wednesday, showing the handgun Dellen Millard bought days before Laura Babcock vanished in early July 2012. (Court exhibit)

A photo of a .32-calibre handgun was projected on several large flat screens in front of the jury at the Laura Babcock murder trial — a firearm sold to accused killer Dellen Millard days before Babcock disappeared in the summer of 2012.


The man who sold the gun, Matthew Ward-Jackson, 30, was in the witness box Wednesday afternoon, often evading the Crown's questions.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/babcock-millard-smich-murder-trial-day-19-1.4413299

 

[matou]

Court heard this gun was found at Millard's home in Etobicoke, Ont., by police in November 2012. (Court exhibit)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/babcock-millard-smich-murder-trial-day-19-1.4413299

 

[Just4TB]

There have been some good suggestions on what Dungey`s intention was, and I`ll throw in one more. Pocket Full of Stones tells a big, long extended story about a drug empire and murdering a cop and then murdering a judge and then getting back out and starting all over again. Presumably the artists didn`t actually do any of this. Dungey may come back around to this later to illustrate how rappers tell stories through their raps that aren`t grounded in the facts of their direct actions or experience, but in story telling and art. And because the song was "old school", its a good example that they've been doing that for a long time and it's an inherent part of the genre. Getting "Ish" to acknowledge he recongnizes a song thrown at him somewhat randomly establishes it as a solid example of the genre.

Ding Ding Ding. Bingo