Laura Babcock Murder Trial - *GUILTY*

[winter2017]

NOooo student can afford all this, maybe shes turning tricks at $300/hr or something lol.

edit; ok that was a low guess, probably $1000/hr. but then again a noudga hater would expose that like asap, so the turning high price escort tricks might be out the window too, someone is backing her financially that's for sure.

IT is very possible she is dealing drugs to make money she did quite a bit of drugs herself and talked about it at first trial and even said about bringing drugs back from B.C. so it is very possible she deals drugs that is my opinion and guess. There is no way she has the money to pay for her lifestyle.

 

[Jealoushe]

IT is very possible she is dealing drugs to make money she did quite a bit of drugs herself and talked about it at first trial and even said about bringing drugs back from B.C. so it is very possible she deals drugs that is my opinion and guess. There is no way she has the money to pay for her lifestyle.

Really whats her lifestyle though? Europe is cheap to travel all over when you live there. Other than her schooling, what money would she need? Living costs in Poland are low. A lot of her posts on IG are fake to get a reaction. She certainly doesn't look to be a baller to me.

 

[Grey-St]

Really whats her lifestyle though? Europe is cheap to travel all over when you live there. Other than her schooling, what money would she need? Living costs in Poland are low. A lot of her posts on IG are fake to get a reaction. She certainly doesn't look to be a baller to me.

THANK YOU.

Holly heck people. Some of y'all can't help but jump to the most outlandish conclusions. I personally loathe CN, but there's no reason to state that she's selling sexual services or dealing drugs. If she lives in Poland, it's a relatively inexpensive area of the world. School is cheaper there, also. She likely doesn't live alone, maybe with family, roommates, her bf, etc, making rent even cheaper. Who's to say she hasn't landed a decent job, too?

 

[ABro]

THANK YOU.

Holly heck people. Some of y'all can't help but jump to the most outlandish conclusions. I personally loathe CN, but there's no reason to state that she's selling sexual services or dealing drugs. If she lives in Poland, it's a relatively inexpensive area of the world. School is cheaper there, also. She likely doesn't live alone, maybe with family, roommates, her bf, etc, making rent even cheaper. Who's to say she hasn't landed a decent job, too?

Sorry, but no. Her finances don't add up.

She took several trips last year. She had a low paying job. Now, she likely has tuition and living expenses, and she's at Whistler over Xmas break.

Poland is not significantly cheaper than any small Canadian city and the wages aren't higher.

How many people do you know with that lifestyle and a job? And we haven't even gotten into the Greenspan lawyer bills.

There's something fishy. No student without rich parents has that kind of disposable income. It just does not compute.

 

[winter2017]

Sorry, but no. Her finances don't add up.

She took several trips last year. She had a low paying job. Now, she likely has tuition and living expenses, and she's at Whistler over Xmas break.

Poland is not significantly cheaper than any small Canadian city and the wages aren't higher.

How many people do you know with that lifestyle and a job? And we haven't even gotten into the Greenspan lawyer bills.

There's something fishy. No student without rich parents has that kind of disposable income. It just does not compute.

Do the math, you don't have to be really good at math to know it does not add up. Either she is lying about the trips or she is getting an income from somewhere. The bill for her very high priced lawyer I doubt has been paid off. Her parents I do not think are very wealthy. There is something definitely else going on.

 

[clefk27]

Sorry, but no. Her finances don't add up.

She took several trips last year. She had a low paying job. Now, she likely has tuition and living expenses, and she's at Whistler over Xmas break.

Poland is not significantly cheaper than any small Canadian city and the wages aren't higher.

How many people do you know with that lifestyle and a job? And we haven't even gotten into the Greenspan lawyer bills.

There's something fishy. No student without rich parents has that kind of disposable income. It just does not compute.

Perhaps she got a big payout from or is still blackmailing MB / DM.
Her closest source of money was money straight from the source.

 

[Dion]

Sorry, but no. Her finances don't add up.

She took several trips last year. She had a low paying job. Now, she likely has tuition and living expenses, and she's at Whistler over Xmas break.

Poland is not significantly cheaper than any small Canadian city and the wages aren't higher.

How many people do you know with that lifestyle and a job? And we haven't even gotten into the Greenspan lawyer bills.

There's something fishy. No student without rich parents has that kind of disposable income. It just does not compute.

I think it's highly likely that DM arranged for CN to get $ via his mother before the Bosma trial. He was willing to offer her every incentive he could think of, a big house, trip around the world, marriage etc. He was counting on her to lie for him on the stand, so after he sold his properties to his mother for $1, you can bet that he gave instructions to use some of the money to try and manipulate his way out of the charges, "with a little help from his friends".

Also, why was SS kept on the payroll for a year or so, after DM was incarcerated? His only job was being DM's personal mechanic. That smells like a payoff/reward to me.

The good thing is, that all this money flying around, didn't do DM a bit of good in the end. He still ended up being where he should be.

 

[ABro]

I think it's highly likely that DM arranged for CN to get $ via his mother before the Bosma trial. He was willing to offer her every incentive he could think of, a big house, trip around the world, marriage etc. He was counting on her to lie for him on the stand, so after he sold his properties to his mother for $1, you can bet that he gave instructions to use some of the money to try and manipulate his way out of the charges, "with a little help from his friends".

Also, why was SS kept on the payroll for a year or so, after DM was incarcerated? His only job was being DM's personal mechanic. That smells like a payoff/reward to me.

The good thing is, that all this money flying around, didn't do DM a bit of good in the end. He still ended up being where he should be.

I don't know. Everything Noudga did on the stand at the Bosma trial was good for her. She couldn't have admitted to knowing what they were doing when they moved the trailer and the incinerator because it incriminated her. No one needed to pay her off to save her own skin.

She also wasn't that helpful to Millard when it didn't have an impact on her. She was happy to repeat his stupid lies about using the incinerator to dispose of industrial waste, a topic on which his lawyers questioned her.

She wasn't helpful to him unless it helped her.

On the other hand, perhaps not going through her own trial and taking a plea was something he considered helpful. Or maybe he didn't care.

He wanted to question her at the Babcock trial and was upset the Crown didn't call her. But he only wanted to cross examine her so he didn't call her himself. He was too worried to leave that door open for the Crown.

It's a mystery, and I still don't get it.

 

[Grey-St]

Sorry, but no. Her finances don't add up.

She took several trips last year. She had a low paying job. Now, she likely has tuition and living expenses, and she's at Whistler over Xmas break.

Poland is not significantly cheaper than any small Canadian city and the wages aren't higher.

How many people do you know with that lifestyle and a job? And we haven't even gotten into the Greenspan lawyer bills.

There's something fishy. No student without rich parents has that kind of disposable income. It just does not compute.

You very well could be right, on the surface it seems suspicious, but there's just so much we aren't privy to. So for folks to be saying she turning tricks and selling drugs is a bit much.

We don't even know that she is in fact, in graduate school. Her bf could be supporting her. She could be living with family for free. She could have a job and be traveling at very low cost. I know many young adults with entry level jobs that travel often. She could not actually be traveling at all. We don't know her families financial situation, and it's silly to judge by the size of their house, which people have done previously here. There's just so much unknown.

There is the possibility that MB paid her lawyer costs, but like you said earlier, I don't really know what CN did for MB or DM to warrant that. Unless she really did stay hush about something else and that's why we don't know.

:dunno:

 

[Errrr]

Sorry, but no. Her finances don't add up.

She took several trips last year. She had a low paying job. Now, she likely has tuition and living expenses, and she's at Whistler over Xmas break.

Poland is not significantly cheaper than any small Canadian city and the wages aren't higher.

How many people do you know with that lifestyle and a job? And we haven't even gotten into the Greenspan lawyer bills.

There's something fishy. No student without rich parents has that kind of disposable income. It just does not compute.

I thought that was what the IG account was for? Advertising for sugar daddies. I think she knew LB was on to something.

 

[ABro]

You very well could be right, on the surface it seems suspicious, but there's just so much we aren't privy to. So for folks to be saying she turning tricks and selling drugs is a bit much.

We don't even know that she is in fact, in graduate school. Her bf could be supporting her. She could be living with family for free. She could have a job and be traveling at very low cost. I know many young adults with entry level jobs that travel often. She could not actually be traveling at all. We don't know her families financial situation, and it's silly to judge by the size of their house, which people have done previously here. There's just so much unknown.

There is the possibility that MB paid her lawyer costs, but like you said earlier, I don't really know what CN did for MB or DM to warrant that. Unless she really did stay hush about something else and that's why we don't know.

:dunno:

I actually do know about her family's finances because they were discussed at Christina's bail hearing. Unless her parents were lying on the witness stand or their circumstances have changed drastically since then, they don't have much money. Pretty much everything is in the house. The father hadn't held a fulltime job in years. Basically the mother was supporting everyone.

If Noudga is studying -- and I can only confirm she was accepted to medical school in Poland not that she attends it -- she is living a lifestyle far beyond her means, as described at the bail hearing. Back then she was going to need a job to pay her York U tuition and Greenspan hadn't even entered the picture.

Something's changed although it's unclear what it is.

 

[Sphinx]

I heard it. And I don't think it's relevant to this discussion.

One of the endlessly fascinating aspects of this case is the group dynamics. Who knew what? Who did what? What power did Millard exercise? Etc.

As for Jenn, I do find her interesting, just like all the rest. And I think it's perfectly legit to ask what she saw in Millard. Millard was known for being cheap yet he appears to have continued to subsidize her after their breakup? What does that mean? Did he love her? Was their breakup a trigger for him? Or was it just another way to exercise control?

Maybe it made him look good to MB, his Mother, and she controlled quite a few purse strings, in my opinion.

 

[winter2017]

I actually do know about her family's finances because they were discussed at Christina's bail hearing. Unless her parents were lying on the witness stand or their circumstances have changed drastically since then, they don't have much money. Pretty much everything is in the house. The father hadn't held a fulltime job in years. Basically the mother was supporting everyone.

If Noudga is studying -- and I can only confirm she was accepted to medical school in Poland not that she attends it -- she is living a lifestyle far beyond her means, as described at the bail hearing. Back then she was going to need a job to pay her York U tuition and Greenspan hadn't even entered the picture.

Something's changed although it's unclear what it is.

It is only my opinion but I think she may have got paid off by MB because she knew some things and could expose MB and so MB paid for the lawyer and gave her some money. It is the only explanation of how she could afford to have a very high priced lawyer that helped her get a deal so she did not get convicted of a much more serious charge and would have done prison time.

 

[winter2017]

I actually do know about her family's finances because they were discussed at Christina's bail hearing. Unless her parents were lying on the witness stand or their circumstances have changed drastically since then, they don't have much money. Pretty much everything is in the house. The father hadn't held a fulltime job in years. Basically the mother was supporting everyone.

If Noudga is studying -- and I can only confirm she was accepted to medical school in Poland not that she attends it -- she is living a lifestyle far beyond her means, as described at the bail hearing. Back then she was going to need a job to pay her York U tuition and Greenspan hadn't even entered the picture.
KSomething's changed although it's unclear what it is.

Knowing that about her family it almost sounds like she came from the same financial situation of MS. That could explain her obsession with Millard and that he was rich. That now makes a lot of sense why she was obsessed with a rich man her family were not well to do.

 

[winter2017]

Perhaps she got a big payout from or is still blackmailing MB / DM.Her closest source of money was money straight from the source.

I think she was and may still be being paid by MB, she probably has something on MB and is being paid to keep quiet.

 

[Just4TB]

It is not difficult to post Instagram pics to give the appearance of something that is in reality, false.
This includes plane flight videos, pics of friends at Blackcomb. My point is, that while an IG post might be reflecting truth, given who is the source, I suggest that these posts implications may also be patently false.
As such, any of her IG posts are helium balloons, and not worthy of any weight.

She is now, and always will be known for her lying, her involvement in the motive for murder, the cover up of evidence, her self serving actions, and her total absence of couth.

 

[JuneBug67]

It is not difficult to post Instagram pics to give the appearance of something that is in reality, false.
This includes plane flight videos, pics of friends at Blackcomb. My point is, that while an IG post might be reflecting truth, given who is the source, I suggest that these posts implications may also be patently false.
As such, any of her IG posts are helium balloons, and not worthy of any weight.

She is now, and always will be known for her lying, her involvement in the motive for murder, the cover up of evidence, her self serving actions, and her total absence of couth.

RBBM

Yes - just one reason any belief that Millard’s friends and associates have just trundled on and landed where they would have anyway is completely imerceptive.

The reputations of several people are in anything from distress to tatters. Noudga has a criminal record it will be some time before she can apply to have expunged, and she will forever have the experience of having spent four months in jail, having been regarded poorly in the national press and having been treated savagely in social media. Smich, the former small time loser, will probably never get out of prison, and I suspect will always carry the weight of having hurt his family in the process. Michalski may have dedicated an entire arm to commemorating the way he has been changed by his association with Millard. And every last one of them will remain perpetually googleable, barring a name change.

All those capable have been left with some degree of shame and painful self knowledge. All have in one way or another been deeply shaken. My hope for any of them is that they turn all that into wisdom and empathy.

 

[JuneBug67]

Wow, given the last 10 or so posts - note to self and warning to others -

Don't come forward and speak to LE on any crime regardless of how much or how little you knew the perps, their circle of friends and what they were up to. The public will speak poorly of you for years whether you played a role in the crime or not.

Suspect this is a known fact among many people given the number of unsolved crimes.

It’s an unfortunate reality that very public armchair analysis and judgement just kind of comes with this territory in the internet age. There are a lot of forces that propell it forward, and very few that restrain it, such that even people that want to be responsible and sensitive lose sight of themselves sometimes. Many more times than once over many years I have regretted and felt shame and ick for things I’ve written. We are what we do.

One thing I think is almost always missing is a deep understanding of just how destructive it is to become involved with a psychopathic or similar personality in life. People to whom that happens are profoundly unlucky and virtually never unscathed. They are psychologically targeted and morally tested in ways the vast majority of us simply never will be. It’s their own flaws being leveraged to be sure, but the flaws are so often incredibly ordinary. It’s the situation they are in - entanglement with a psychopath - that is not ordinary. IMO it’s the situation we should be emphasizing to understand their actions and motivations, more than their individual characters.

 

[don_quixote]

I actually do know about her family's finances because they were discussed at Christina's bail hearing. Unless her parents were lying on the witness stand or their circumstances have changed drastically since then, they don't have much money. Pretty much everything is in the house. The father hadn't held a fulltime job in years. Basically the mother was supporting everyone.

If Noudga is studying -- and I can only confirm she was accepted to medical school in Poland not that she attends it -- she is living a lifestyle far beyond her means, as described at the bail hearing. Back then she was going to need a job to pay her York U tuition and Greenspan hadn't even entered the picture.

Something's changed although it's unclear what it is.

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...venue-agency-cra/informant-leads-program.html

 

[winter2017]

RBBM

Yes - just one reason any belief that Millard’s friends and associates have just trundled on and landed where they would have anyway is completely imerceptive.

The reputations of several people are in anything from distress to tatters. Noudga has a criminal record it will be some time before she can apply to have expunged, and she will forever have the experience of having spent four months in jail, having been regarded poorly in the national press and having been treated savagely in social media. Smich, the former small time loser, will probably never get out of prison, and I suspect will always carry the weight of having hurt his family in the process. Michalski may have dedicated an entire arm to commemorating the way he has been changed by his association with Millard. And every last one of them will remain perpetually googleable, barring a name change.

All those capable have been left with some degree of shame and painful self knowledge. All have in one way or another been deeply shaken. My hope for any of them is that they turn all that into wisdom and empathy.

I think finding out just how bad DM was did shatter many people. I don't think they knew just how depraved the guy was. They knew he committed robberies and did drugs and other minor crimes in past but I do not think they knew he was a killer.
Except for MS , he knew once DM decided to murder Laura.
This should be a lesson learned that people who engage in a lot of even less serious criminal things to realize they probably have the capability to graduate to a lot more serious criminal things.
Those who worked in the chop shop I don't believe they were not aware of his criminal acts, the fact he was regularly committing robberies and bringing the stolen things to the hangar was obvious the guy was bad news.
Not good idea to work or be friends with people who spend all their time planning on how to commit robberies.
I don't think he ever used the hangar for legitimate legal purposes.
All I can say is thank god for people like Igor and his sharp skills of observation and going to the police right away. Also SL did try to get the police to look into her disappearance,
Very few stand out as good people in both trials except these two.
The sentencing should be interesting for the murder of Laura and will MS get a concurrent sentence.