Lawyer of baby Lisa's family sets up a website

[alwaysonmymind]

The tone is a little rah-rah for the parents, again, and I resent the "let's" phrasing too...

Whatever lady, I'm not interested in mopping up their image, I'm just watching and learning. mo

ITA.

I find it very offensive.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I don't see that as rah rah for the parents necessarily. She's calling Deborah ignorant and naive, and saying virtually no one will come forward with information about them. I didn't find that flattering at all, more a call for opinions from their acquaintances. She's saying no one is offering any opinions to "flesh out" what they are like. That's neutral, at best, to me. It's like, hey where are your friends?[/QUOTE]

Well, the two women from DB's past (at Fort Bragg) weren't exactly well-received by many folks, so I doubt that other friends or acquaintances want to enter their comments or opinions into the mix.

I feel like the attorney is making too much of an effort to make her client look like she was somehow incapable of committing a crime or covering up for a horrific accident - ignorant, naive, overly intoxicated, etc. jmo

 

[JeannaT]

I don't see that as rah rah for the parents necessarily. She's calling Deborah ignorant and naive, and saying virtually no one will come forward with information about them. I didn't find that flattering at all, more a call for opinions from their acquaintances. She's saying no one is offering any opinions to "flesh out" what they are like. That's neutral, at best, to me. It's like, hey where are your friends?[/QUOTE]

Well, the two women from DB's past (at Fort Bragg) weren't exactly well-received by many folks, so I doubt that other friends or acquaintances want to enter their comments or opinions into the mix.

I feel like the attorney is making too much of an effort to make her client look like she was somehow incapable of committing a crime or covering up for a horrific accident - ignorant, naive, overly intoxicated, etc. jmo

I don't think the public at large would ever believe that ignorant intoxicated people aren't capable of committing crimes. Probably most of the crimes in the country are committed by ignorant intoxicated people. She's saying that would explain why they are not savvy enough to gather resources and wits about them quickly to defend themselves against a growing tide of public doubt.

 

[madge]

I live in a very small town and most all of our crime is commited by intoxicated, probably ignorant people. Intoxication usually lessons your inhabitions (or so I'm told). My bottle of wine the other night got me nowhere near intoxicated.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

snipped from : http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-provide-information-about-case#ixzz1bkGTvNSb

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The local attorney for Lisa Irwin’s family, Cyndy Short, told NBC Action News a website has been set up to provide information about the case.

B&RBM:

:waitasec: So ... WHY would a "defense attorney" set up a website to provide information about the "case" ?

IMO ... this is purely a DEFENSE STRATEGY ... ATTORNEY SPIN ... and DAMAGE CONTROL ...

I am "guessing" that attorney Short "suspects" her client or clients will be charged ...

I am also wondering if the attorney is "taking a shot" at LE as well as the msm ?

MOO ... I do NOT want an update on the case from a "defense attorney" or the "parents" ... I want to hear what LE has to say ...

Let me remind CS that it was HER CLIENT, DB, who has repeatedly inserted her "foot in mouth" ... it was DB who went on NATIONAL TELEVISION and stated that she failed a poly, was drunk, etc.

NONE of this info came from LE ! It came out of the MOUTH of DB !


MOO ...

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I live in a very small town and most all of our crime is commited by intoxicated, probably ignorant people. Intoxication usually lessons your inhabitions (or so I'm told). My bottle of wine the other night got me nowhere near intoxicated.

How many glasses were in that bottle of wine? Was it more than 5 but less than 10? :crazy:

 

[madge]

How many glasses were in that bottle of wine? Was it more than 5 but less than 10? :crazy:

:woohoo: LOL definitely more than 5 and less than 10.

 

[strach304]

So you think a dog was there briefly and that is what you base it on, that a dog was there? LOL LE drops by scenes all the time when they are between assignments. Maybe he came by to ask if his dog was needed. Or maybe he just wanted to say hi or see how things were going.

Or maybe that dog hit too! Unless we hear it from LE, it isn't fact.

I got to thinking about the "if it hit, they had to take the carpet idea." Besides the fact that the attorney didn't have them show the whole room so we really don't know if there was any carpet missing, there is also the possibility that the carpet area was dry and not stained. Maybe it didn't floresce under luminol. So they vaccumed the carpet and took that back to the lab to look at fibers.

When a dog gets a hit in the woods, they may collect twigs and stones from the area for testing. But they don't usually dig the area up and take it back to the lab. So IMO the same principle would apply here. If they can collect the evidence without tearing up the carpet, you would think they would do so.

Basically we don't know what they did, and won't unless/until they get to trial.

If a cadaver dog hit on dirt they most certainly would dig that area up expecting a body to be buried there. Many times dogs alert and there is no body but that doesn't mean one wasn't there previously and then moved. Then sometimes the dog is just downright wrong. If indeed a dog alerted to the floor I think it would be a good idea to take that carpet.

 

[stilettos]

How many glasses were in that bottle of wine? Was it more than 5 but less than 10? :crazy:

I don't know but I have declared myself the "hypothetical wine investigator". I have opened a bottle of wine (don't do boxes, sorry) and shall endeavor to let you all know if I get black out drunk. I will be tipsy, that can be assured. One bottle of wine...yep, toasted. Updates to follow...please don't hold me accountable for my drunk posting..I shall be rendered incapable of uttering a coherent thought. I guess since I will be drunk, that gives me a pass on all illegal and inappropriate behavior. Ya, that's the ticket.:waitasec:

 

[strach304]

snipped from : http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-provide-information-about-case#ixzz1bkGTvNSb

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - The local attorney for Lisa Irwin’s family, Cyndy Short, told NBC Action News a website has been set up to provide information about the case.

B&RBM:

:waitasec: So ... WHY would a "defense attorney" set up a website to provide information about the "case" ?

IMO ... this is purely a DEFENSE STRATEGY ... ATTORNEY SPIN ... and DAMAGE CONTROL ...

I am "guessing" that attorney Short "suspects" her client or clients will be charged ...

I am also wondering if the attorney is "taking a shot" at LE as well as the msm ?

MOO ... I do NOT want an update on the case from a "defense attorney" or the "parents" ... I want to hear what LE has to say ...

Let me remind CS that it was HER CLIENT, DB, who has repeatedly inserted her "foot in mouth" ... it was DB who went on NATIONAL TELEVISION and stated that she failed a poly, was drunk, etc.

NONE of this info came from LE ! It came out of the MOUTH of DB !


MOO ...

Someone needs to be the one appealing to the public for help in trying to find Lisa. LE is not doing the media angle asking for the publics help in locating Lisa or calling in tips. If Lisa was abducted LE doesn't know where to look, it will be a private citizen that solves this. The LE can go ahead and focus on getting forensics from the house and following up on tips. No reason to write this child off as dead just yet imo.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Yes, but why is this lawyer concerned about that while an innocent baby is missing??? She needs to load up her clients and get them down to LE-- that's what her real job is. Everything else is designed to confuse the issue.

I could care less about DB's flattery. mo

ITA. If DB's attorney is attempting to garner sympathy for her client who is undereducated and drinks heavily, her plea is lost on me. This is no different than David Westerfield's legal team trying to convince the public (and a jury) that their client was well-to-do, an upstanding citizen, a member of Mensa (high IQ society), etc., so there was no way that he could have been involved in the disappearance/death of Danielle Van Dam. jmo

 

[Velouria]

That's not correct. The courts have consistently held that even if LE out and out lies on the SW, it doesn't invalidate it. The officers could be sanctioned if they were caught, but they rarely ever get caught. This is easy enough to say "the dog made a mistake.. too bad."

Could you cite some cases that illustrate your point, please?

 

[Amster]

I think she's a fabulous strategist. The public will either now likely believe it didn't happen, or she will effectively "call out" LE for comment.

Like a game?

 

[Velouria]

Because she's trying - as hard as she can - to keep the focus off Deborah and Jeremy and on to making the public look for a live baby Lisa.

The way it was going a couple days ago, people who might have a very nagging feeling that a friend's baby is Baby Lisa might have been lulled into thinking Deborah killed her, no point in possibly embarrassing myself and hurting my friend by calling in this tip.

I couldn't care less about DB's flattery. I do take exception to the thought that article was a rah rah article about them. Neutral, at best.

Ohhhhh, is THAT what she's doing? Because I was under the impression that defense attorneys are in the business of keeping their clients from winding up in jail, and not in the business of bringing home missing children.

 

[Angleena]

"The cadaver dog indicated a positive "hit" for the scent of a diseased human in the area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed"

This to me does not say "on" the floor itself but rather an area of the floor near the bed. Anything in that area of the floor is subject to be the object of the "hit" in my opinion, including objects laying on the floor.

I think we also need to look at the fact that this search when the dog hit was done with the permission of the Irwin's and it's possible that one of the family members was present during that search. Considering that no one has been cleared in the abduction of Lisa, it would make sense that LE wouldn't make a huge deal of it...simply because the Irwin's could have stopped the search at any time and removed any items that the dog hit on before a legal search warrant was obtained.

It is very possible that the dog hit in an area with several things in that area, but they were not exactly sure what the dog was hitting on if there were blankets, toys, and other objects on the floor.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

"The cadaver dog indicated a positive "hit" for the scent of a diseased human in the area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed"

This to me does not say "on" the floor itself but rather an area of the floor near the bed. Anything in that area of the floor is subject to be the object of the "hit" in my opinion, including objects laying on the floor.

I think we also need to look at the fact that this search when the dog hit was done with the permission of the Irwin's and it's possible that one of the family members was present during that search. Considering that no one has been cleared in the abduction of Lisa, it would make sense that LE wouldn't make a huge deal of it...simply because the Irwin's could have stopped the search at any time and removed any items that the dog hit on before a legal search warrant was obtained.

It is very possible that the dog hit in an area with several things in that area, but they were not exactly sure what the dog was hitting on if there were blankets, toys, and other objects on the floor.

Just my opinion of course.

Where is this quote from? I haven't seen the word area used before.

 

[Angleena]

Where is this quote from? I haven't seen the word area used before.

It's quoted from the affidavit.

http://www.kmbc.com/download/2011/1021/29552734.pdf

 

[~n/t~]

Is there a list of items LE took from the home?

 

[Angleena]

Is there a list of items LE took from the home?

multi-color comforter
purple shorts
multi-color Disney character shirt
glow worm toy
"cars" themed blanket
roll of tape
tape dispenser

Listed in the Return/Receipt for search warrant.

http://www.kmbc.com/download/2011/1021/29552734.pdf

 

[mysteriew]

Because she's trying - as hard as she can - to keep the focus off Deborah and Jeremy and on to making the public look for a live baby Lisa.

The way it was going a couple days ago, people who might have a very nagging feeling that a friend's baby is Baby Lisa might have been lulled into thinking Deborah killed her, no point in possibly embarrassing myself and hurting my friend by calling in this tip.

I couldn't care less about DB's flattery. I do take exception to the thought that article was a rah rah article about them. Neutral, at best.

Speaking of that, did you notice the wording about the tipline?
'If you see baby Lisa call.' Nothing at all about if you believe you may have info about the baby, nothing about I believe someone I know may have harmed her. You are only supposed to call if you "see" the baby.

LOL I guess I should be grateful that at least they did put the tipline on there. Has anyone checked to see if the number is correct?