LE at Anthony Home on Jan. 16th

[justbetweenus]

So too do I agree that no charges should be filed against the Anthony family. I saw nor heard anything that can be construed as deliberate misleading of LE's investigation. What I did hear was a desperate mother trying to convince the world at large, as well as herself, that her daughter was not capable of murdering her own child. You cannot convince me that any mother among us, despite police "evidence", would readily accept that premise. We would explore every avenue and deadend street to find exculpatory evidence of our own to PROVE that our own child was innocent. This isn't in any way, denying justice to the grandchild she so obviously held dear. It is self defense against insanity and self destruction.

Good post. I agree. Especially at a time of tremendous shock, overwhelming grief, and despair, when most of the nation has turned against you, except for one man, that insists that your daughter is innocent, and I'm going to prove it, just listen and follow my instructions.

 

[TxRose]

I doubt it...I would guess they are very busy investigating the pi's video at the moment. I can't see them letting that go.

Oh - I was partially kidding! I just mean that the silence has been nice!

There is not doubt they are investigating the PI videos...because they would love to be able to tie that search back to Casey. Directly or indirectly. And if they feel strongly about bringing charges against the A's, I am sure they will. I just don't know what that will achieve right now - and their main target at the moment is Casey. I don't think charges against the A's really benefits LE in that regard. They can always bring charges later if they want. But I think their focus needs to be on Casey...unless they feel the A's are somehow continuing to obstruct the investigation...which doesn't appear to be the case. Am I wrong? How would bringing charges against the A's right now be of benefit?

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

hmm.. mabe they went to ask for cell phone records, so they can check out if any of them were talking to the PI during the search..
that Im sure would put Cindy in a funk

I think they would have done that many days ago.

 

[sayd]

I actually think it could be a Foreclosure Notice. The sheriff/police are charged with delivering the notices (plural). There are many steps in the foreclosure process and it is not just a final notice they deliver. I did look on RealtyTrac and there is a home listed on Hopespring Drive going thru this process. I did not get the street number because to get it would cost me $49 (I have signed up for the free trial before) but someone who hasn't signed-up before could get the foreclosure address for free...

If they have all this money, why are they still selling teeshirts? I hope it is not a neighbor who needed to sell their house badly and couldn't thanks to the hubabaloo going on...

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Oh - I was partially kidding! I just mean that the silence has been nice!

There is not doubt they are investigating the PI videos...because they would love to be able to tie that search back to Casey. Directly or indirectly. And if they feel strongly about bringing charges against the A's, I am sure they will. I just don't know what that will achieve right now - and their main target at the moment is Casey. I don't think charges against the A's really benefits LE in that regard. They can always bring charges later if they want. But I think their focus needs to be on Casey...unless they feel the A's are somehow continuing to obstruct the investigation...which doesn't appear to be the case. Am I wrong? How would bringing charges against the A's right now be of benefit?

I can't see how charging them now would be at all detrimental. If LE has evidence of them lying to investigators, obstructing, aiding and/or abetting, knowledge of Caylee's remains being down the road etc, I don't see what they have to gain by waiting. It's not like they can put them forward to a jury as "credible" witnesses in Casey's case.

I am guessing LE are even sicker of the As than a lot of us are and want to see an end to the As profiting from this.

 

[justbetweenus]

If Cindy really loves her daughter and wants to help her, she would come clean about choking her the day before. It is obviously a matter the Court could take into account in sentencing Casey and given her age, her upbringing, family life etc will be quite relevant, and I would think an admission re choking her could take a few years off Casey's sentence. I bet she doesn't "love" her enough to make that admission (assuming it happened).

If this fight is true, perhaps Cindy felt admitting it at the time she called police might stall them in looking into Caylees whereabouts, thinking this is just a family dispute and the daughter took the baby away. Then when the reality started to sink in that something bad might have happened to Caylee Cindy started feeling guilty, and blaming herself and just can't go there. If true it will all come out.

 

[TxRose]

I can't see how charging them now would be at all detrimental. If LE has evidence of them lying to investigators, obstructing, aiding and/or abetting, knowledge of Caylee's remains being down the road etc, I don't see what they have to gain by waiting. It's not like they can put them forward to a jury as "credible" witnesses in Casey's case.

I am guessing LE are even sicker of the As than a lot of us are and want to see an end to the As profiting from this.

But if they charge them now, how can they call them at all as witnesses? I may be wrong, but wouldn't that give them a basis to assert their 5th amendment rights?

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

If this fight is true, perhaps Cindy felt admitting it at the time she called police might stall them in looking into Caylees whereabouts, thinking this is just a family dispute and the daughter took the baby away. Then when the reality started to sink in that something bad might have happened to Caylee Cindy started feeling guilty, and blaming herself and just can't go there. If true it will all come out.

Or maybe she was more concerned about how she would look than she was with assisting the investigation. I think it would have helped LE in their interrogation of KC had they had that information...they may have been able to use it to get her to confess.

I get the feeling the As may have obstructed in ways we haven't even considered yet. It's interesting that their lawyers were asking for immunity long before the PI tape came out.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

But if they charge them now, how can they call them at all as witnesses? I may be wrong, but wouldn't that give them a basis to assert their 5th amendment rights?

From what I understand, if they are subpoenaed, the evidence they give at Casey's trial can't be used against them, except for perjury charges if they give false evidence. I don't think it affects their compellability as Ws at all.

 

[RR0004]

Good post. I agree. Especially at a time of tremendous shock, overwhelming grief, and despair, when most of the nation has turned against you, except for one man, that insists that your daughter is innocent, and I'm going to prove it, just listen and follow my instructions.

I don't think CA and GA trust JB as far as they can throw him.

 

[TxRose]

From what I understand, if they are subpoenaed, the evidence they give at Casey's trial can't be used against them, except for perjury charges if they give false evidence. I don't think it affects their compellability as Ws at all.

I see. The subpoena gives them limited immunity. So why do they believe LE would entertain the idea of giving them the immunity deals they are requesting? I assume they are requesting full immunity? So they will be less "hostile" witnesses at trial? It seems if they can force them to testify using a subpoena - LE has absolutely nothing to gain by granting their request.

And I am confused about something else...I heard that Lee's attorney was trying to get a subpoena issued for Lee's testimony (presumably for the limited immunity). If Lee just refuses to testify, doesn't the state then issue a subpoena anyway?

 

[TxRose]

I don't think CA and GA trust JB as far as they can throw him.

I don't think so either! I think G, C & L all see JB as an obstacle between them and Casey. It is pretty clear in the jail conversations that they were trying to tell Casey that Jose was blocking their communications. That his priorities were different from theirs. I think they felt he was preventing Casey from assisting in finding Caylee. I also think they believed they could get Casey to tell them what happened, but Jose was standing in the way. Jose took Cindy's control away!

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I see. The subpoena gives them limited immunity. So why do they believe LE would entertain the idea of giving them the immunity deals they are requesting? I assume they are requesting full immunity? So they will be less "hostile" witnesses at trial? It seems if they can force them to testify using a subpoena - LE has absolutely nothing to gain by granting their request.

And I am confused about something else...I heard that Lee's attorney was trying to get a subpoena issued for Lee's testimony (presumably for the limited immunity). If Lee just refuses to testify, doesn't the state then issue a subpoena anyway?

I'm not an American lawyer....it would be great if one joined us! Impatientredhead where are you?? Lol.

The way I understand it is this.....Lee's attorney is a bit of a fool and doesn't seem to understand what he is talking about. I don't even think they can issue him a subpoena before a trial date is set....what a subpoena does is require a person to be in a particular court on a particular day at a set time to give evidence. You can't issue a subpoena until you have a court date (where I live anyways). I think Lee's lawyer is not only inexperienced, but doesn't seem to be getting any help from someone more experienced than him.

Re BC, he was asking for full immunity. And it looks like SA weren't interested. For whatever reason, he told us about a month ago now that he'd be basically immediately asking for it and offering fresh, truthful interviews with his clients. It looks like the SA told him to buzz off. I really don't see that they have anything to gain by offering them a deal. As I've said before, it's not like the SA will ever be able to say to the jury "you will accept the As as entirely frank and truthful witnesses." Their credibility is absolutely shot and can't be resurrected, IMHO.

 

[justbetweenus]

I don't think CA and GA trust JB as far as they can throw him.

I agree GA doesn't, but I'm not sure about Cindy. I think she's desperate, wanting to believe in him, and that he will prove KC innocent.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I don't think CA and GA trust JB as far as they can throw him.

Interesting...I think they do trust him, but of course I could be wrong! They got soooo close in the early days and he spent a lot of time with them and seemed to be representing all of them. I think they probably trusted him with a lot of info back then, plus, I think they can see that he will do just about anything to help their daughter, and they trust him for that. I know in the early days George sounded unsure of him, but they sure seemed to get closer after that, up until the time they had to get separate lawyers. JB was also at the home after the remains were found etc too.

 

[RR0004]

I see. The subpoena gives them limited immunity. So why do they believe LE would entertain the idea of giving them the immunity deals they are requesting? I assume they are requesting full immunity? So they will be less "hostile" witnesses at trial? It seems if they can force them to testify using a subpoena - LE has absolutely nothing to gain by granting their request.

And I am confused about something else...I heard that Lee's attorney was trying to get a subpoena issued for Lee's testimony (presumably for the limited immunity). If Lee just refuses to testify, doesn't the state then issue a subpoena anyway?

I don't know why everyone is looking for their subpoenas to testify...the trial is a long way off. This very well may be a preemptive strike of sorts. I find myself rethinking this case almost on a daily basis. After seeing the Aug. 14th video my opinions of G and C have softened. I think whatever they may be guilty of has nothing to do with what transpired early on, but rather what happened more recently. Don't get me wrong, their behavior for months was beyond explanation, but I think that's just who they are...slightly off-center. What I'm beginning to feel strongly about is that they were a part of the crazy shenanigans of the PI and the psychic. Was it just their usual zaniness? I can't say definitively. What I have trouble with is how they would know to go to the general area where the remains were found. That little piece of information trips me up every time.

 

[wandering]

can anyone think of another reason for LE to go to the house?
i don't know what normal procedure for this kind of thing is in the US, but over here if the cops are gonna charge you they just do it. i've never heard of them paying someone a visit to tell them they'll be charged and leaving without them...

Maybe Cindy and George had a domestic incident. It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[wandering]

LE could also be questioning them about Lee, in prep for considering immunity.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Maybe Cindy and George had a domestic incident. It wouldn't be the first time.

I find it hard to believe they would call LE if they had one. They wouldn't want it made public.

 

[TxRose]

I don't know why everyone is looking for their subpoenas to testify...the trial is a long way off. This very well may be a preemptive stirke of sorts. I find myself rethinking this case almost on a daily basis. After seeing the Aug. 14th video my opinions of G and C have softened. I think whatever they may be guilty of has nothing to do with what transpired early on, but rather what happened more recently. Don't get me wrong, their behavior for months was beyond explanation, but I think that's just who they are...slightly off-center. What I'm beginning to feel strongly about is that they were a part of the crazy shenanigans of the PI and the psychic. Was it just their usual zaniness? I can't say definitively. What I have trouble with is how they would know to go to the general area where the remains were found. That little piece of information trips me up every time.

Bolded by me....wow RR0004 - what a choice of words! LOL