LE Serves Warrant on Family Home #6

[sarx]

Nothing is perfect 100% of the time, that includes people, dogs, labs, equipment, you name it. The rate may be very very high, but it's not 100%.

Dogs are just one of many tools being used here. They are not going to try and convict the case on the finding of the dog alone.

I think we may be getting a little too focused on the dog aspect when there was a whole lot more that has been going on, a whole lot of other things that have been doing and I am sure a whole lot that was found during that 17 hours as well as in the woods, etc.

 

[MyBelle]

My god, what kind of mother would put a child on a bed where they might roll off!!!!!! (irony alert)

How could a child roll off a bed if the mother is standing right there changing the diaper? I suppose if Mom is too drunk to notice or care, it could happen so I guess I'll have to admit I've never been there or done that.

JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I believe LE only put the very minimum amount of evidence down on paper to obtain the warrant, and probably have much more they are withholding, knowing the press would get a hold of the warrants. They had to put something down, in order to get a warrant; they tried to seal it. They are not the ones releasing info about anything at all.

 

[Turnadot]

I find it kind of strange that it could be easier to disbelieve and write off LE and trained specialist dogs findings, than people who have at the very least changed their story as to when the child was last seen and one parent was drunk.

I wanted to give DB the benefit of the doubt, and look for alternative explanations for why the story changed, and why LE was zeroing in on DB. I know the dog hit isn't 100% accurate, but any attempt I made in my head to explain that away just felt like straw clutching.

DB's story has changed; LE continues investigating with diligence. At this point, DB has no credibility with me.

IMO

 

[indepmo]

Wedon't have complete knowledge or access to everything LE has, I'm sure theres so much more we DONT know. I'm confident that a large department such as KCPD with a case like this of such a sensitive nature, AND, with the nationwide media exposure, AND knowing that any of their actions would be scrutinized by any attorney at a trial, would not jeopardize their departments trust and respect by doing all of these things DB and JI state they are doing.

They are more less working with what they do have, and what they don't have. I think for starters they started out with "lack of", now they have "a piece of the puzzle" and they are probably working on completing it.

 

[JeannieC]

The burden of proof is going to be on LE to prove that the dogs weren't tired, and that the handlers didn't suggest a finding to them.

But perhaps lab tests of the carpet will be more definitive. If I were on a jury, though, I'd find it hard to accept even if Lisa's DNA. The floor next to the bed is a typical place for kid's diapers to be changed throughout their entire infancy - I've done it and so have all my friends.

I find LE's perpetual manipulation of the media - the dogs got a hit! - very disturbing. They have worked hard to try this mother in the media from day one. A confident police force, confident in their investigation and evidence, would not need to contaminate the jury pool by skewing public opinion so hard prior to presenting their case.

Respectfully, I haven't seen LE attempting to try DB in the media. LE has been pretty closed mouth. I believe if we go back and check the videos and interviews we will find that most statements have been made by DB not LE. Many times when LE was asked about something DB stated, LE said they could not comment on that. IE: Lie Detector Test.

LE didn't want to release all the info from the search warrant but was made to do so (freedom of information). They weren't trying to convict her in the media.

I think LE is trying to keep everything quiet in order to find out what has happened to Lisa. I don't think they are trying to skew public opinion. I think they are trying to find Lisa and if the family refuses to help its on the family not on LE.

LE hasn't been lying to the public................
MOO

 

[Slynderella]

I was born in KC - lived there until 2005 - KCMO I believe still has the death penalty - from what I know - and I was a news junkie there like here in Dallas - they do not play around with investigations of any kind - no country bumpkins in that group - just saying IMO

 

[Kat]

Just a quick question? (no irony or sarcasm in my question either).

In what scenario does a 10 month old baby roll off a bed onto a carpeted floor and it the fall kills the child?

TIA.

 

[cluciano63]

I think LE is being extremely professional and doing all they can for this baby. Their responsibility is to Lisa, not to her parents, or their feelings. Lisa is a citizen as much as they are.

LE did not release info about the dogs or the lie detector test, or the mother being drunk. All of that came from either the media or from the parents.

LE seems to be simply focused on their task, trying to locate Lisa and figure out who has harmed/taken her, or worse. That is all they seem to be doing, in my eyes.

 

[cece5300]

I find it kind of strange that it could be easier to disbelieve and write off LE and trained specialist dogs findings, than people who have at the very least changed their story as to when the child was last seen and one parent was drunk.

12 jurors did something similar in Orlando...nothing shocks me anymore.

Just a quick question? (no irony or sarcasm in my question either).

In what scenario does a 10 month old baby roll off a bed onto a carpeted floor and it the fall kills the child?

I'm not saying it's not possible, but I've seen 4 month olds roll over and fall from a bed without being injured. I'd say it'd have to be a pretty tall bed or a rare / unusual accident for a fall from a bed to kill a child.

Anyone remember the Casey Anthony trial (of course we do) Dr. g's testimony?

"in an accidental drowning, 100% of the parents called 911" or something to that extent. IF DB knows Baby Lisa was harmed in an accident, the normal thing to do would be to call 911. I know anything is possible, but in my personal opinion, I am ruling out an accidental death theory. If my kid falls off the bed, I'm taking them to the hospital, not concocting some elaborate kidnapping in which they turn on pumpkin lamps and steal cell phones.

ETA I am not in any way "convicting" DB....something is just hinky, that's all I'm saying

 

[MyBelle]

Just a quick question? (no irony or sarcasm in my question either).

In what scenario does a 10 month old baby roll off a bed onto a carpeted floor and it the fall kills the child?

TIA.

I wondered that myself. I've never heard of it happening, especially on carpet.

 

[MyBelle]

12 jurors did something similar in Orlando...nothing shocks me anymore.

which could be why LE in this case are approaching it as they are in order to avoid a repeat of Orlando.

JMO

 

[Kat]

I wondered that myself. I've never heard of it happening, especially on carpet.

I hadn't either. FWIW, I've heard of (over the years) several babies about Lisa age falling out of their crib (the were able to pull themselves up and over) but none of those kids were injured except one had a bump on his forehead because the flooring was hardwood. JMHO.

 

[cluciano63]

which could be why LE in this case are approaching it as they are in order to avoid a repeat of Orlando.

JMO

I'm sure the case is on their radar screen, so to speak. But I do believe KCPD is a professional LEA, regardless. It is a big city, has a fair amount of crime, and they are not smalltown LE investigating their first major case.

 

[Slynderella]

"I wondered that myself. I've never heard of it happening, especially on carpet. "

My mom said my 10 & 12 year old brothers got in a fight on the couch over me and pushed me off the couch while punching each other onto a hardwood floor on the very first day home from the hospital and Im still here - some would say that its due to my hard-head

 

[MyBelle]

I hadn't either. FWIW, I've heard of (over the years) several babies about Lisa age falling out of their crib (the were able to pull themselves up and over) but none of those kids were injured except one had a bump on his forehead because the flooring was hardwood. JMHO.

ITA. Shaking a baby violently back and forth will cause far more harm than a fall onto a carpeted floor, imo.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Since Deborah said she was drinking and probably drunk, I think CPS can and will interview the boys soon. Bless their hearts.

 

[MyBelle]

"I wondered that myself. I've never heard of it happening, especially on carpet. "

My mom said my 10 & 12 year old brothers got in a fight on the couch over me and pushed me off the couch while punching each other onto a hardwood floor on the very first day home from the hospital and Im still here - some would say that its due to my hard-head

Years ago, I was catching a flight out of Reagan airport in D.C. and when I approached the "x-ray" conveyer, I noticed an infant seat at the end of the table and a young couple was carefully buckling-in a baby girl in frilly dress. Then they walked over to an inactive gate area and sat down and put the baby carrier on the floor. I also sat down in that area to finish my coffee and wait for my flight. The baby didn't open her eyes or make a sound. Her parents keep leaning over to her, caressing her cheek and each other. It took me several minutes to realize that she had fallen out of that baby carrier and that the couple were waiting on EMS, who drove the rescue squad onto the tarmac and came up the stairs. They carefully wrapped the child in some kind of bandage--from her head down-- into that carrier seat and rushed her and the parents down the stairs. I later asked some of my D.C. colleagues if there was anything about it in the paper and they were not aware so I assumed the child did survive. If a tiny baby can survive a fall onto concrete, I think an older one would survive a shorter fall onto carpeting. I can't be sure but seems so.

JMO

 

[MsFacetious]

Absolutely! The Elizabeth Smart case comes to mind. You never know,unless you shut down the questioning to the children.

Yes, but MK Smart being questioned didn't help much when law enforcement didn't listen to her, now did it?
Even when Ed Smart offered her up and said she remembered, LE disregarded and refused to released the sketch.

So what if these kids were to go in and say "I remember, it was the cable guy!" And LE just ignores them?

What if these parents are going in and hearing "I know you killed her where is she!" And the parents are trying to say "There is this lady, in the store that ALWAYS comments on Lisa and she has been unable to adopt or have kids..." And LE is responding with, "We know you killed her, where is she!"

If LE isn't willing to listen to the parents and isn't going to believe the kids unless they implicate the parents... then I don't see the good in anyone talking to THIS group of LE either.

LE definitely DOES seem very confident that the parents did it in this case. Or something happened in the house.
I remember frequently how VERY confident SLC LE were that Richard WAS the one who had taken and murdered Elizabeth... with not a shred of evidence.

I am always a skeptic now... until there is actual proof. Especially when a baby's life might be on the line.

 

[norest4thewicked]

There is always a link for everything. LE might be lying to DB because that is sometimes what they do to get confessions. But, you can bet that they didn't lie to the judge. The judge gets to see all what they have...we don't.