Legendary Artist Prince Found Dead at 57 #1

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Statistically, the 24 hrs. prior to a planned entrance into rehab is one of the riskiest times for an overdose. It is the "last party" syndrome. Prince should not have been left alone. I wonder if no one told this to "his people"? Or, it could have been that Prince insisted that he wanted to be alone.

Very sad. Very sad.

But, honestly, many older people develop conditions that result in chronic pain - even at age 57. And no matter what they do or did for a living. But not everybody who is in pain is getting all strung out on opioids. Unfortunately, for celebrities, the great talent which leads to the great fame then seems to contribute to doing them in. Nobody wants to say no to them.
 
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Wow, that press conference by Kornfeld's attorney was very sobering. But it doesn't sound like Prince had agreed to go to rehab. He was going to be spoken to about a rehab program in an attempt to convince him to go, after being "stabilized" by the local medical doctor. I'm not sure what "stabilized" means, except maybe being given the meds sent by Kornfeld. But those meds sound like they're for withdrawal treatment, not for "stabilizing."

Who's to to say Prince would have agreed to go into treatment? And it sounds like he was very bad off to have his staff call this doctor for a life saving mission. I think I heard the attorney say (but not positive) that Prince knew about the morning meeting with the local Dr and Kornfeld (i.e., it wasn't going to be a surprise ambush-type thing). But I'm not sure about that.

But he was riding his bike a day or two before. Or maybe thats just untrue speculation. How could he have been so bad off and riding a bike?

And then someone took him to Walgreens after his staff had called for emergency help to get him into treatment? Who took him to Walgreens and what did they think he was picking up Rx wise? Maybe Prince lied and said it was antibiotics or something. Actually, who knows what the med(s) were that he picked up although supposedly they found opioids on his person or near him.

This is is all so crazy and hard to understand. It sounds like the LE officials might be after Dr Kornfeld and/or his son. I wonder why. They hadn't even met or spoken to Prince by the time he died, and it seems like they were trying to help, not harm.
 
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I am super sorry I missed this.

I made it...it was ....I dont know ....sniffle ... I'm really shocked that I'm this emotional over this...
 
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I so much prefer Prince over Sinead with this song...
So during the simulcast my son walks through , he knows I'm upset so he was quiet, later he comes in and says to me..." Isn't that the song that lady with the shaved head that tore up the picture of the Pope on SNL sang ? "
It was perfect timing, cause I was boohooing and once again he made me laugh ...
 
  • #667
Statistically, the 24 hrs. prior to a planned entrance into rehab is one of the riskiest times for an overdose. It is the "last party" syndrome. Prince should not have been left alone. I wonder if no one told this to "his people"? Or, it could have been that Prince insisted that he wanted to be alone.

Very sad. Very sad.

But, honestly, many older people develop conditions that result in chronic pain - even at age 57. And no matter what they do or did for a living. But not everybody who is in pain is getting all strung out on opioids. Unfortunately, for celebrities, the great talent which leads to the great fame then seems to contribute to doing them in. Nobody wants to say no to them.


I really believe that his people were out of their element. The first time my ex was to go into rehab, he disappeared overnight...for his one last binge...no one warned us...it's so very sad. :-)
 
  • #668
Wow, that press conference by Kornfeld's attorney was very sobering. But it doesn't sound like Prince had agreed to go to rehab. He was going to be spoken to about a rehab program in an attempt to convince him to go, after being "stabilized" by the local medical doctor. I'm not sure what "stabilized" means, except maybe being given the meds sent by Kornfeld. But those meds sound like they're for withdrawal treatment, not for "stabilizing."

Who's to to say Prince would have agreed to go into treatment? And it sounds like he was very bad off to have his staff call this doctor for a life saving mission. I think I heard the attorney say (but not positive) that Prince knew about the morning meeting with the local Dr and Kornfeld (i.e., it wasn't going to be a surprise ambush-type thing). But I'm not sure about that.

But he was riding his bike a day or two before. Or maybe thats just untrue speculation. How could he have been so bad off and riding a bike?

And then someone took him to Walgreens after his staff had called for emergency help to get him into treatment? Who took him to Walgreens and what did they think he was picking up Rx wise? Maybe Prince lied and said it was antibiotics or something. Actually, who knows what the med(s) were that he picked up although supposedly they found opioids on his person or near him.

This is is all so crazy and hard to understand. It sounds like the LE officials might be after Dr Kornfeld and/or his son. I wonder why. They hadn't even met or spoken to Prince by the time he died, and it seems like they were trying to help, not harm.

It sounds like LE is questioning the son because he was carrying drugs to give to Prince and the son is not a doctor and shouldn't be giving medication - and neither the CA nor the MN doctor ever met Prince so they shouldn't be making prescriptions for him in the first place. That's the gist that I got from the press conference. And, that's why the lawyer was mentioning the immunity law for anyone who calls 911 and then drugs are later found (sounds like that is a state law).

:(
 
  • #669
Wow, that press conference by Kornfeld's attorney was very sobering. But it doesn't sound like Prince had agreed to go to rehab. He was going to be spoken to about a rehab program in an attempt to convince him to go, after being "stabilized" by the local medical doctor. I'm not sure what "stabilized" means, except maybe being given the meds sent by Kornfeld. But those meds sound like they're for withdrawal treatment, not for "stabilizing."

Who's to to say Prince would have agreed to go into treatment? And it sounds like he was very bad off to have his staff call this doctor for a life saving mission. I think I heard the attorney say (but not positive) that Prince knew about the morning meeting with the local Dr and Kornfeld (i.e., it wasn't going to be a surprise ambush-type thing). But I'm not sure about that.

But he was riding his bike a day or two before. Or maybe thats just untrue speculation. How could he have been so bad off and riding a bike?

And then someone took him to Walgreens after his staff had called for emergency help to get him into treatment? Who took him to Walgreens and what did they think he was picking up Rx wise? Maybe Prince lied and said it was antibiotics or something. Actually, who knows what the med(s) were that he picked up although supposedly they found opioids on his person or near him.

This is is all so crazy and hard to understand. It sounds like the LE officials might be after Dr Kornfeld and/or his son. I wonder why. They hadn't even met or spoken to Prince by the time he died, and it seems like they were trying to help, not harm.

I'm thinking that young Andrew and possibly his father may be looking at some sort of trafficking charges or something along those lines.
Those meds are not suppose to be given to anyone who has not been seen, examined and assessed.
Also , Andrew is not a doctor and not qualified to,be delivering and or giving those meds to anyone...
I agree with you and feel awful for the poor guy, but when I heard he had Suboxene on him and wasn't a doctor it set off an alarm in my head.
Suboxene is a useful tool to wean people off of the opiates, but I know for a fact that it can be abused.
I know a lady who's daughter is in jail right now for selling hers. It's also my exes drug of choice right now and I asked him one time if there is a high to it and he said he does get a buzz on it, he sure looks like he does, but then again, he's an addict and they tend to way over do .
It comes in a film like strip and they sell the strip for $30 or a piece of it for $5
I'm told that since the opiates are harder to get now people are going to the clinic. ( don't ask me what kind of clinic cause I don't know ) ...anyway they get it much like heroin users get their methadone and then they sell it ...
It's insane...
My point being, it's not just something you carry around and dispense .... Especially if you aren't a doctor.
Another thing I wondered about is if the father ( the doctor ) is licensed to even practice in Minnesota ?
I heard them talking on one of the news shows and they were questioning how they handled it and saying that they proper thing for them to do would have been once they were told he was in a medical crisis , they should have called an ambulance and had him taken to a hospital to be stabilized..
So, I'm thinking there may be some charges leveled against them.
DISCLAIMER... This is total speculation on my part ...
 
  • #670
It sounds like LE is questioning the son because he was carrying drugs to give to Prince and the son is not a doctor and shouldn't be giving medication - and neither the CA nor the MN doctor ever met Prince so they shouldn't be making prescriptions for him in the first place. That's the gist that I got from the press conference. And, that's why the lawyer was mentioning the immunity law for anyone who calls 911 and then drugs are later found (sounds like that is a state law).

:(


Did that kind of sound like he was reaching on that one to you like it did to me ?
 
  • #671
I really believe that his people were out of their element. The first time my ex was to go into rehab, he disappeared overnight...for his one last binge...no one warned us...it's so very sad. :-)

That's one reason I'm glad you are sharing your story - that part about no one warning you about the last binge is valuable information to know.
 
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Statistically, the 24 hrs. prior to a planned entrance into rehab is one of the riskiest times for an overdose. It is the "last party" syndrome. Prince should not have been left alone. I wonder if no one told this to "his people"? Or, it could have been that Prince insisted that he wanted to be alone.

Very sad. Very sad.

But, honestly, many older people develop conditions that result in chronic pain - even at age 57. And no matter what they do or did for a living. But not everybody who is in pain is getting all strung out on opioids. Unfortunately, for celebrities, the great talent which leads to the great fame then seems to contribute to doing them in. Nobody wants to say no to them.

Bbm - yes this seems to be the case -

The last meal Ray Roberts prepared for Prince was roasted red pepper bisque and a kale salad. When he entered Paisley Park that night, he was told he could just leave the meal and go.

"Whatever was going on with him that night, he clearly wanted to be alone," said Roberts.


By the following morning, Roberts would discover that Prince never did eat that dinner. By now we all know why.

"He didn't seem like his normal self that night. He'd been like that for months."


http://www.citypages.com/restaurant...interview-with-princes-personal-chefs-8238997
 
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Did that kind of sound like he was reaching on that one to you like it did to me ?

I honestly don't know.

I haven't absorbed it all yet.

What's your reaction?
 
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Prince died amid frantic plans for drug addiction treatment

Dr. Howard Kornfeld, a national authority on opioid addiction treatment, was called by Prince representatives the night of April 20 because Prince “was dealing with a grave medical emergency,” said William Mauzy, a prominent Minneapolis attorney working with the Kornfeld family.

http://m.startribune.com/addiction-doctor-was-to-have-seen-prince-just-before-his-death/378051471/


IDK - I am a little puzzled by "grave medical emergency" on Wed nite. Wouldn't someone be recommending, or calling a hospital, or 911 instead of a Dr. in CA? Could the Dr. in CA assess Med Emergency? And who was frantic? And why in a grave emergency was he left alone?

It especially sad considering two of the biggest rehabs are in Minnesota.
 
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That's one reason I'm glad you are sharing your story - that part about no one warning you about the last binge is valuable information to know.

Thanks ! It should be told to people. I always wondered why rehabs and places such as that had regular business hours, I mean if someone is that bad off shouldn't you be able to just check them in at anytime ?
Another ploy that addicts use is that they will be all sorrowful, crying, begging, full of shame and remorse and convince you that they are done and ready and willing to go to rehab.So everyone gets on board and makes all the arrangements .Then the next day they have a long list of reasons why they have decided they can do it on their own . My ex always had the excuse of he couldn't stay off of work that long, he was in the middle of a project , etc , etc,
And yes, that last binge is quite common and very often fatal .
 
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Prince died amid frantic plans for drug addiction treatment

Dr. Howard Kornfeld, a national authority on opioid addiction treatment, was called by Prince representatives the night of April 20 because Prince “was dealing with a grave medical emergency,” said William Mauzy, a prominent Minneapolis attorney working with the Kornfeld family.

http://m.startribune.com/addiction-doctor-was-to-have-seen-prince-just-before-his-death/378051471/


IDK - I am a little puzzled by "grave medical emergency" on Wed nite. Wouldn't someone be recommending, or calling a hospital, or 911 instead of a Dr. in CA? Could the Dr. in CA assess Med Emergency? And who was frantic? And why in a grave emergency was he left alone?

It especially sad considering two of the biggest rehabs are in Minnesota.


Exactly ! I read a little about the Dr.s program , and it sounds a bit different than the usual tried and true twelve step
program. It said he could help with pain management and addiction ?
Not so sure how that would work ...by the way I'm not a big advocate for Suboxene or any other crutch drug to be used for an extended period of time.
I got the feeling that rehab was chosen due to it not being a cold turkey program and had the promise of pain management as well...I'm not knowledgeable on that one, I'm going to research it a little .
 
  • #677
I honestly don't know.

I haven't absorbed it all yet.

What's your reaction?

It seemed to me that he was hoping that was going to work for his client, but I sensed he wasn't so sure about if ...but what do I know lol
 
  • #678
I would think a grave medical emergency would call for immediate attention...not attention the next day ...but that's just me ..
 
  • #679
One last post for tonight..l the doctors son flew over state line with drugs that were not prescribed to him with the intent of giving them to either Prince or the other doctor.... Either way that is a felony...I believe they are going to dig deep ( thus the DEA)
I think they are going to dig to make sure that this doctor from California was involved with Prince obtaining all the prescription drugs it is alleged he was getting..
If charges are pressed and he is convicted , the doctors son can say good bye to med school....
 
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