Leonard Padilla and Tim Miller on Scared Monkey Radio - 10/10/08

[BB12]

See my above post about a varaition of Caylee being the 37th most populat name in the US the year Caylee was born..also, many, many families keep a name in the family and pass it on...my boyfriend's family has a tradition of naming the father's first name as the son's middle name. It might have just been tradition to pass on the middle name "Marie".

It doesn't necessarily say to me that Cindy made Casey name her daughter Caylee Marie because she was controlling. It could have been Casey's idea, too. After all, Caylee was a popular name that year (and is still pretty popular) and Marie was Casey's own middle name, too.

No disrespect to your post, just another thought about that...

Noted your thoughts.....they are true- however, Cindy stated in an interview that she named Caylee....it was a theme....the reporter did not follow up with Cindy's response; therefore I do not know as to what Casey in put was...all I know is Cindy made it clear it was her idea to stick to the theme....her exact words where - it was done on purpose - it was my idea....

 

[LCoastMom]

I'm not a big believer in the "Lee is dad of Caylee" theory, however as this case has gone on I've thought of a few things. It seems to me that around the time Casey got pregnant, the whole family sort of exploded. Mom and Dad both filed for divorce. Dad moved to Ft. Meyers to live with his parents. Lee moved out for his job - but really soon was living a few blocks from Mom and Casey.

Casey and Cindy had the house to themselves for some time there, right? Apparently the Mother-Daughter bonding didn't go so well because Casey was angry that Cindy got to hold the baby first (still is angry about that...)

I read here on WS (but can't remember where) that before this latest family crisis, Lee wouldn't stay in the Anthony house if his Dad was there - would only visit Cindy and Casey but would leave if George arrived.

Now, I'm a skeptic but, if Casey didn't tell anyone about that pregnancy until her seventh or eighth month, she was not happy about it and I believe had no intention of keeping the baby. Maybe thinking she would toss it in a dumpster right after birth.(?) She was found out an in a very short time the family just disintegrated. Perhaps it was revealed that Lee was the dad and George couldn't take it so he left and Lee was in big trouble so he left.

That left Cindy and Casey with a couple of months to hastily throw together a nursery for the baby, etc. in the house by themselves. After a little while, money was tight and George came back to help out but became very distant, working the evening shift so he wasn't around much and Lee kept a low profile - avoiding his dad.

I can see the dynamics fitting a family that just discovered incest going on. Lee was eager to prove himself as a family supporter when Caylee went missing, but as soon as it looked like murder, he vanished again, because no one wanted to disclose this family secret.

Man, this is just too big for me to understand on an emotional level. My heart hurts in so many directions and I feel disgusted, sad, angry, horrified and compassionate all in the same breath. I'm afraid we're all going to need professional help when this case is finally concluded.

Sorry for this mind dump - I just wanted to see if it makes sense to anyone else and if there are other oddities I've left out, relevant to the timing of Caylee's conception or birth, please add.

I hope LP is right. I like him a lot and I believe his heart is in this. If he's right, it would also go to motive for Casey getting rid of Caylee whch would help prosecution.

Just another thought; remove all thoughts of incest, replace GA had a gambling problem which put house hold into serious financial straights. He said he would quit. Right after Caylee is born CA finds GA back to old tricks and says move, I can't support us and your habit.

When GA moves back in , he starts working PM because the money is better (shift differential). And there are fewer hours of day with no adult in the house.

LA is very angry with dad for financial problems and now for deserting family.
Even after C & G decide to get back together, LA hasn't gotten over being mad at dad, they were probably very close (L and G against C and KC) while LA was growing up. LA was (about) 22 when Caylee was born. A pretty
typical age for young people to move out.

Whatever problems KC has now, didn't happen overnite. She didn't plan on becoming pregnant, so she chose to ignore the situation. As long as she can deny, deny, deny she doesn't have to deal with what's coming next (a baby), 19 is kind of old for this behavior, 13 to 16 would be more common. Doesn't mean she was actively planning to toss baby at birth, these girls will go to the
hospital and deliver all the while deny being pregnant.

I'm not going to speculate on situation with birth father, there are too many plausible causes, ranging from KC really doesn't know (too many to choose from) to KC and CA actually know but he's not interested/doesn't know (married w\ kids).

I think this covers all your areas of concern and is easier on the brain.

 

[Broderick]

IF it is true, I would bet that CA already knows.

They would all likely know. George filed for divorce, moved to his parents home for a bit. Cindy and George reconciled but he works nights perhaps to get out of the house. Lee supposedly doesn't visit home if George is there. Is this what caused turmoil in the house to the point where divorce came up? George being ashamed of Lee? Now they circled the wagons almost immediately to protect Casey, which would protect Lee as well? They created a united front of unbelievably wild nanny theories knowing that Caylee is never coming home anyway?

Save Casey, get her help later. This would save Lee, keep the marriage in tact perhaps, and protect the deep dark family secret of a child born of incest that they kept quiet all these years. They gave Casey freedom to lie, steal, cheat because she took the burden of that deep dark secret to protect the family and she held the royal flush hand over them? They might have felt sorry for her and never figured her sociopathy would lead to murder.

 

[Salem]

Nice post gardenheart! I agree. Something we learned (or I learned) on the Maddie McCann thread. Mitochondrial DNA is based on the MOTHER's linage. So yes, KC and LE would have the same, because they have the same bio mom. And it would match CA's mom's MDNA, etc.

If this is what LP is basing his assumption on, then I'm thinking he needs to take a quick class in DNA. Maybe he should check out the scienceproject.com

Salem

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Or...was it that Cindy was first to hold Caylee because Casey didn't want her? Delivery room people are very sensitive about new mothers feelings. I can't believe they would not have given Caylee directly to Casey unless Casey rejected her.

As much as I dislike Cindy and can understand why KC might be upset b/c Cindy was the 1st person to hold the baby this is not unusual. I work in women's health and it is not uncommon for a family member or friend to hold the baby b/f the mother while the doctor takes care of the mother.

 

[karen7868]

A straight answer from LP on what exactly he's basing his statement on would be very helpful. Preferably from someone who doesn't interrupt before he can finish answering the question. Yes, I'm talking to you, NG.

ROFL! :floorlaugh:LP is now what I look forward to when watching her show.

 

[Gaia713]

The claim is outrageous and it could be one of those, "I won't even dignify that remark with a response" type of things.

I would be interested to know why LP makes this claim. What does he know?

Please tell me ONE time when Cindy has ever refused to comment on anything?

 

[Broderick]

Nice post gardenheart! I agree. Something we learned (or I learned) on the Maddie McCann thread. Mitochondrial DNA is based on the MOTHER's linage. So yes, KC and LE would have the same, because they have the same bio mom. And it would match CA's mom's MDNA, etc.

If this is what LP is basing his assumption on, then I'm thinking he needs to take a quick class in DNA. Maybe he should check out the scienceproject.com

Salem

You are assuming that is all he has. Did the bodyguard he had in the house discover this? Does he have inside information not leaked by LE? It is a pretty big risk to assert something on that level based on ignorance of DNA which he seems to have a good grasp on. It would be one heck of a lawsuit potential.

Anyway, I buy the theory as one that puts the puzzle together. I have found nothing else in single or group that explains the entire dynamics and behavior.

Nevertheless, we might find out more once she is indicted and once the forensic discovery is released in 10 days based on the motions approved yesterday.

 

[Broderick]

As much as I dislike Cindy and can understand why KC might be upset b/c Cindy was the 1st person to hold the baby this is not unusual. I work in women's health and it is not uncommon for a family member or friend to hold the baby b/f the mother while the doctor takes care of the mother.

I was the first to hold our child when he was born, not my wife.

 

[Friptzap]

.....He said she had parked the car at the Amscott the day before and she came back and got it on the 27th and drove it...

Is this LP's conjecture or comments he overheard Lee make?

 

[babycat]

Noted your thoughts.....they are true- however, Cindy stated in an interview that she named Caylee....it was a theme....the reporter did not follow up with Cindy's response; therefore I do not know as to what Casey in put was...all I know is Cindy made it clear it was her idea to stick to the theme....her exact words where - it was done on purpose - it was my idea....

Thank you for clearing that up for me! I can see now how you would come to that conclusion...

thanks again

 

[babycat]

Please tell me ONE time when Cindy has ever refused to comment on anything?

*snickers*

 

[karen7868]

Noted your thoughts.....they are true- however, Cindy stated in an interview that she named Caylee....it was a theme....the reporter did not follow up with Cindy's response; therefore I do not know as to what Casey in put was...all I know is Cindy made it clear it was her idea to stick to the theme....her exact words where - it was done on purpose - it was my idea....

Forgive me if this is a little off-topic, but if Cindy was that controlling, and I believe she was, I would NOT let her name my baby!!

You would think that is she was that controlling, KC would have worked and done everything in her power to get away from her and that house.

I would think with her having a child and single, she could have qualified for student grants/loans. I guess I just didn't have a good relationship with my mother, which made me more determined to make it on my own.

I did think the names were combined, but I did not know Cindy was the one that named her.

 

[Friptzap]

The fact that NO ONE has told him to stop makes me believe it may be true.

I bet if they were mentioning George and not Lee more than a few hairs would be raised. I would suspect him first myself, failing marriage and a daughter with attachment problems? Daughters with "problems" will also do this as an act of revenge on the mother. Big possible markers if you ask me.

 

[Gaia713]

See my above post about a varaition of Caylee being the 37th most populat name in the US the year Caylee was born..also, many, many families keep a name in the family and pass it on...my boyfriend's family has a tradition of naming the father's first name as the son's middle name. It might have just been tradition to pass on the middle name "Marie".

It doesn't necessarily say to me that Cindy made Casey name her daughter Caylee Marie because she was controlling. It could have been Casey's idea, too. After all, Caylee was a popular name that year (and is still pretty popular) and Marie was Casey's own middle name, too.

No disrespect to your post, just another thought about that...

But how many of those people spell it this particular way?

 

[jennyb]

Bree -

My heartfelt apology if I misread your post or connected it to something you were not meaning. Thanks.

 

[gardenhart]

You are assuming that is all he has. Did the bodyguard he had in the house discover this? Does he have inside information not leaked by LE? It is a pretty big risk to assert something on that level based on ignorance of DNA which he seems to have a good grasp on. It would be one heck of a lawsuit potential.

Anyway, I buy the theory as one that puts the puzzle together. I have found nothing else in single or group that explains the entire dynamics and behavior.

Nevertheless, we might find out more once she is indicted and once the forensic discovery is released in 10 days based on the motions approved yesterday.

Of course I'm assuming that's all he has. Since not one single person who has interviewed him and heard this statement has had the basic reporting skills to ask what information he has on which he bases that statement, that's all I have.

He might have gotten the information in a number of places or he might be merely speculating based on faulty knowledge of DNA. Who knows?

My point is somebody needs to get a little common sense and ask him where he got it from.

As far as lawsuits go, I assume you're talking about libel or slander. The Anthonys are public figures and you'd have to prove LP had a malicious intent and knew the information was false.

BTW, I'm not blaming LP for not clarifying this. I haven't seen anyone ask except NG the first time he said this and she gave him all of 20 seconds to respond.

 

[tammi05]

i have a problem with this ( lee being caylee's daddy)
i wish LP would explain how he knows this.



tammi from vancouver canada

 

[karen7868]

I thought I heard somewhere that the Amscott was close enough that KC could jog the distance, and that she, in fact, was seen jogging in the area at that time.

IIRC, the Amscott at 7501 E. Colonial Dr. is 7.21 miles from George & Cindy's house at 4937 Hopespring Drive.

Could be closer if she had short cut options.

I'm not 100% positive, but I believe it was Chris S. that said he thought he saw her jogging on Chickasaw, which is a road traveld between A & GC's.
He said he called her to see if it was her because she had told him she was getting in shape in order to be a personal trainer.

Hope this helps. His interview is posted on here somewhere.

:crazy:

 

[Gaia713]

They would all likely know. George filed for divorce, moved to his parents home for a bit. Cindy and George reconciled but he works nights perhaps to get out of the house. Lee supposedly doesn't visit home if George is there. Is this what caused turmoil in the house to the point where divorce came up? George being ashamed of Lee? Now they circled the wagons almost immediately to protect Casey, which would protect Lee as well? They created a united front of unbelievably wild nanny theories knowing that Caylee is never coming home anyway?

Save Casey, get her help later. This would save Lee, keep the marriage in tact perhaps, and protect the deep dark family secret of a child born of incest that they kept quiet all these years. They gave Casey freedom to lie, steal, cheat because she took the burden of that deep dark secret to protect the family and she held the royal flush hand over them? They might have felt sorry for her and never figured her sociopathy would lead to murder.

Broderick, I would bet money that GA works PMs so he doesn't have to deal with Cindy much at all. His hours vs hers virtually mean they only see each other in passing. No meals together. No "family time."