Leslie Van Houten up for parole again

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  • #261
At Parole Hearing, LVH Said She Would Have Killed Babies at CM's Request


"Leslie Van Houten, 66, was recommended for release from prison after the April 17 hearing in which she discussed her role in the savage murders of a wealthy married couple in their Los Angeles home on August 10 that year."

"Presiding Commissioner Ali Zarrinnam asked Van Houten, “You would have done anything at this point, right? If there were babies in the home, would you have killed babies, newborns, toddlers?”

"Van Houten responded: “I think I would have if he’d have said,” referring to Manson, according to the 210-page transcript of the parole hearing obtained by The Post."

http://nypost.com/2016/05/03/at-parole-hearing-manson-acolyte-said-she-would-have-killed-babies/
 
  • #262
That was asked just for effect. Anyone who's read any of the books or followed the case quickly learned that Manson himself preached how children were innocent beings. Children were revered by Manson & his followers. He bypassed houses in which there were children -- when he saw pictures of kids in potential 'target' houses he moved on... "not this house."

Now don't get me wrong, Manson is as evil as evil gets, but babies, children, pets were off limits in his "Helter Skelter" plans. All the girls in the family helped take care of the babies born to other family members. That's well documented. Van Houten had to continue with the "I would do anything Manson asked," for the parole board. She never would have been asked to kill a child (although apparently pregnant women were in some other bucket since Manson had no qualms about Sharon Tate being pregnant). Further, I don't believe for one minute she ever would have killed a child. I know what she said, but I don't believe it.
 
  • #263
You know, either you are human or you aren't.

Remorse and empathy are not learned. They can't be discovered years later. IMO.

These people are missing whatever it is that makes us civilized.

Heck, I respect Charles Manson way more than her. At least he's honest and doesn't try to play the system. No doubt in my mind that if he got out he would be the same as he was in the sixties.

These people still have follower's and admirer's out there. That's scary to think of them getting out and having a fanbase (cult) ready to follow again. All my own opinion of course.
 
  • #264
Do I think some people are rehabitable? Of course.

I don't think cold blooded murderer's are though. I guess there are some killers out there that wouldn't do it again, but I believe that if the murder was especially heinous and cruel, well that speaks to something that just scares me.

I wouldn't let Alcala out. He scares me. All of the Manson murderer's scare me. Jodi Arias scares me. Many many more scare me and I would never ever trust them or want to know them or live next door or shop in the same grocery store as them.

Murder, torture and pedophilia are the worst IMO crimes out there, and people capable of carrying out these things are just not right. Something is broke, missing and just can't be learned. I believe these people learn how they are expected to be and do it but don't feel it. Not to mention that those crimes deserve the harshest punishment. IMO
 
  • #265
Manson was the one with the followers back then. The 'girls' were just his slaves, his prostitutes, his lure to seduce other men so they would join his cult. The girls actually thought they were forming a family; their reference was to Charlie as a 'father,' with them as his children. He plied them with massive amounts of LSD, isolated them so his voice was the only one they heard that mattered, and he broke them down so there was no 'self' left. He knew exactly what he was doing. That said, the girls were still totally responsible for their actions regardless.

Interest in the 'girls' after they were incarcerated was by people who either wanted a part of something twisted and infamous, or they were fascinated by Manson and his ability to control others, or it was someone who wanted to learn more about the crimes or the psychology of the 'Family.' It was always about Manson at the core.

I don't fear a nearly 70 yr old Leslie van Houten; she's no danger now. Susan Atkins scared the you-know-what outta me; she was just evil. Krenwinkle is probably somewhere in the middle, not a danger now either at or near 70. But life in prison without getting paroled is appropriate for the ones left. Manson is still a batsh!!t crazy con man and probably headed into Dementia at this point as he's near 80; he couldn't function outside the prison anyway.
 
  • #266
Well I just watched the Charles Manson Dianne Sawyer Documentary, and at 10 seconds in, there is Miss Lovely Leslie saying, "I knew that people would die. I knew there would be killing." And then right after Leslie there is Patricia saying "Our acts cannot be forgiven".

[video=youtube;v4qZB2ytq10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qZB2ytq10[/video]
 
  • #267
Patricia Krenwinckle is right. Those acts cannot be forgiven and most certainly never forgotten. Although, and I forget where I read it now, one of the LaBianca kids (the daughter I think) actually did forgive the Manson Family and even advocated for their parole at one point. I don't have a link to this, it's just something I remember reading in the last 10 years. I remember reading that it caused some friction with the Tate family because they, of course, never would be okay with any of them getting parole. There's only Debra Tate from the primary Tate family now. The mother (Doris) and sister (Patty) both passed away, as did Sergeant Tate, years before his wife.
 
  • #268
Madeleine74 said:
Patricia Krenwinckle is right. Those acts cannot be forgiven and most certainly never forgotten. Although, and I forget where I read it now, one of the LaBianca kids (the daughter I think) actually did forgive the Manson Family and even advocated for their parole at one point. I don't have a link to this, it's just something I remember reading in the last 10 years. I remember reading that it caused some friction with the Tate family because they, of course, never would be okay with any of them getting parole. There's only Debra Tate from the primary Tate family now. The mother (Doris) and sister (Patty) both passed away, as did Sergeant Tate, years before his wife.
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Sharon's father, Paul Tate, died in 2005, years after his wife Doris's death in 1992. I've read the stories that Debra Tate was estranged from her family but don't know if it's just internet rumors.
 
  • #269
Sister of Manson victim Sharon Tate delivers 139,000-signature petition urging California to deny his follower parole

Sharon Tate's sister Debra is campaigning to keep Leslie Van Houten in jail

Tate, 26, was murdered by Charles Manson's gang in August 1969

Van Houten also helped stab supermarket heir Leno LaBianca and his wife

Now Van Houten is recommended for parole due to 'good behavior'

Debra handed in petition to Governor Jerry Brown demanding he intervene

'Let him look into our eyes, feel our pain,' Tate told the LA Times


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ornia-deny-follower-parole.html#ixzz4CFnSCe7c
 
  • #270
News release:

Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacey has sent a letter to Gov. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr., requesting that he deny parole to Manson cult follower Leslie Van Houten.

“She clearly lacks insight, genuine remorse, and an understanding of the magnitude of her crimes,” District Attorney Lacey said of Van Houten in the letter. “The viciousness of the murders, the relationship of those murders to the effort to incite the ‘Helter Skelter’ race war, and Van Houten’s attempts to minimize her criminal responsibility, make her an unreasonable risk of danger to society.”

On April 14, 2016, a Board of Parole Hearings panel found Van Houten suitable for parole. She was convicted of the first-degree murders of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca in 1969. Brown has until mid-Septemberto reject or accept the parole board’s decision.

http://da.co.la.ca.us/media/news/di...sks-governor-deny-parole-manson-cult-follower
 
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  • #272
Not surprised at all. That was my foregone conclusion.
 
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  • #274
Finally- a sensible decision!
 
  • #275
The California Supreme Court refused Wednesday to hear the case of former Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten, who was denied parole in July by Gov. Jerry Brown for her involvement in the 1969 killings of grocers Leno and Rosemary La Bianca at their Los Feliz home.

The state’s highest court denied a defense petition seeking its review of the case against Van Houten, now 67.

Van Houten’s appellate attorney, Rich Pfeiffer, said he was “not at all” surprised by the denial.
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http://mynewsla.com/crime/2016/12/21/manson-follower-denied-hearing-california-supreme-court/
 
  • #276
That woman is where she should be - in prison, and long may she stay there.
 
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  • #278
wait, what! :gasp: i think brown will do what was done to bruce davis a year or 2 back. davis was originally granted parole but the governor stopped it. sheesh, who the heck on that parole board thought that was a good idea? :furious:
 
  • #279
The bad news: She has Shark Eyes.
The good news: Sharks take care of their own, eyes too.
She isn't going anywhere but the Shark Tank.
 
  • #280
Wasn't she the least involved?
 
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