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[Whisperer]

bolded by me...

If I remember correctly...the LE stated...they were satified with the hours he worked....

IMO...That could mean...they were satifed...with the hours...he....worked...(as in...actual.........hours...accountable hours.
not the hours Ron is claiming....he worked...

IMO..Ron is claiming he worked certain hours that night....to cover his...A
Sorry...I have no link..
I agree with you....The LE..do not say the hours..........the LE......KNOWS...

LE knows but they can't be sure of where exactly he was all the time. When you combine this with LE asking ron what took him so long getting home from work, it leads me to believe ron left work prior to 3:00am. He arrived home at 3:23. That is 23 minutes for a 16 mile drive. I don't think they would be asking him why it took so long if he left work at 3:00am. Ron seemed pretty please with himself that he was on video buying cigs and beer. That only would take a few minutes, I don't think that is what had LE concerned. Something is amiss with his time of departure from work..imo.

They are satisfied with his work hours....but what were they? They were not satisfied with his driving time home.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'll take Shoemaker's word over the word of someone who can pretend to be anyone they want on the internet. LE verified Ron was at work that night.

Are you referring to me as the "pretender"? I've followed this case since day one and I do know that this "newly installed" fingerprint system was discussed as being installed following Haleigh's disappearance. Yes, Ron did satisfy LE's hours in question. Nowhere have I seen LE come forth and say Ron was scheduled to start work at this time, arrived .......... time, and someone was with and/or was in eye contact with him the entire shift, and Ron completed his work shift and left at this time............... His attorney has stated that Ron worked in the Yard. The Yard is not under the scrutiny of all the other employees. No one has set a time for the event of Haleigh's death. All we have are a bunch of "tested" liars with fabricated stories. Haleigh could have already been dead prior to Ron ever showing up for work. Absolutely, no one has said that Ron was not at work that night. Question is, how long was he there, did he leave the plant during his shift then return so that he could be seen clocking out at the end of the shift?

 

[lonetraveler]

LE knows but they can't be sure of where exactly he was all the time. When you combine this with LE asking ron what took him so long getting home from work, it leads me to believe ron left work prior to 3:00am. He arrived home at 3:23. That is 23 minutes for a 16 mile drive. I don't think they would be asking him why it took so long if he left work at 3:00am. Ron seemed pretty please with himself that he was on video buying cigs and beer. That only would take a few minutes, I don't think that is what had LE concerned. Something is amiss with his time of departure from work..imo.

They are satisfied with his work hours....but what were they? They were not satisfied with his driving time home.

It would also be interesting to know if Ron worked all his regular shift hours and then received overtime pay for the overtime he claims to have worked.

 

[lonetraveler]

All they say is ron was at work....period. Not once do they say the hours. Why keep it a secret? If he has an airtight alibi...give up the time!

His attorney says his regular work hours started at 5:00pm. I am willing to bet that is what rc told him and rc is a compulsive liar. If by chance that is the correct time, that puts him there till 1:30 for an eight hours shift and 3:30 for a ten hour shift. If I recall correctly, Shoemaker told us he worked overtime by 2 or3 hours (?). The time does not add up...either way.

Shoemaker is padding the time...mo.

JMO here but if Ron worked hours outside of his regular shift, then he was probably trying to make up the hours he missed that shift. Whisperer's logic on the shift times above will show why Ron's time simply does not add up.

 

[Whisperer]

KP is correct on the fact that rc has been less than upfront about his hours. When rc described the time he left work and the fact that LE wanted to know what took him so long, rc says, "I left work at such and such a time", I drive like a cracker coming home from work."

Don't you just love his description and detail of the time he left work? Leaves ya think he had something to hide....SUCH and SUCH a time? Really?

 

[Whisperer]

If you want to believe Shoemaker, Shoemaker puts ron's starting time (regular hours) at 5:00pm on NG ....figure his shift hours from 5:00pm. We know he gets a half hour lunch (unpaid) and two fifteen minute breaks (paid).

 

[Whisperer]

Tn and rc must have some kind of time travel machine when they drive places.

 

[cyberborg]

Regarding Ron's hours that day...didn't his attorney say that Ron went into work 45 minutes ...EARLY....(sorry..no link...........just..if memory serves)

Did he leave for work 45 minutes early....OR...start work...45 minutes early...

I am working a theory here....

Most companies will not permit an employee beginning their shift 45 minutes earlier than their start shift......unless approved...

If Ron DID NOT have approval to start 45 minutes early....
Then why did he leave so early????
IMO...He got the heck..."out of Dodge"....

Perhaps he wanted to "be seen" by others at his job site as a witness he was at work at a certain time...

He wanted to "be seen" at the store buying the peanuts...

It appears to me....he needed witnesses to see/remember him...at certain times..

On the other hand, perhaps Ron had approval to start his shift 45 minutes earlier...
If true.....How many hours did he work???.....from 4:15 p.m.to 3:00 a.m.???

OR....in going in earlier...he got off earlier...
I am puzzled....

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Completely agree. Ron was establishing an alibi both at the start of his shift and at the end. Who knows where he was in-between, although there was a period he was making frantic calls to know how 'things' were progressing.

Given he claims he picked HaLeigh up from school that day, contrary to Misty's claim that she picked HaLeigh up and went in the other direction ... why didn't Ron then spend some quality time to play with HaLeigh?

Like the above example. If Ron picked up HaLeigh from school AND went to work 45 mins early ... that doesn't compute but does go to establish a very tight timeline ... if it is to be believed.

 

[Kimster]

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[justus4all]

Yep, Ron never wanted the story to be told....

Anyone listen to Levi last night and hear this comment from his show???

I did not get to listen...and what is this about Ron and a story NOT TOLD..

What story???....Any help is appreciated!!! Thanks

ETA....Nevermind....I found the Levi show from last night.....thanks

 

[txsvicki]

I'd sure like to know what time Joe supposedly used Chelsea's cell phone to call Tommy. Chelsea mentioned leaving her keys out on the counter that night, but does anyone remember if she also mentioned leaving her cell phone?

 

[Emeralgem]

I'd sure like to know what time Joe supposedly used Chelsea's cell phone to call Tommy. Chelsea mentioned leaving her keys out on the counter that night, but does anyone remember if she also mentioned leaving her cell phone?

I don't recall her mentioning her cell phone but I'm beginning to think Ms. Chelsey has failed to mention quite a few things...

 

[Kimster]

Bluesky#1 transcribed the show for us! :bow: What a blessing! THANK YOU BLUESKY#1!!!

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[WatershipDown]

Shoemaker takes ron's word. Good luck with that!

Shoemaker has met with PCSO and the FDLE. He didn't just take Ron's word for anything.

LE didn't say they were satisfied with the hours he worked. They said they checked his alibi and he was at work. His alibi was that he was a work from 5ish until 3am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

I doubt the police feel the need to inform you of the exact hours. The fact is they have said he was at work that night. That is all they need to say. They don't owe you any more than that.

As for my pretenders comment I mean people who claim they work at PDM or know someone who works there or whatever. Terry Shoemaker has met with the LEO's who investigated this case. He knows what form of clock in was used at the time Haleigh disappeared. He has no reason to lie about it but people pretending to be someone they aren't do.

 

[justus4all]

Shoemaker has met with PCSO and the FDLE. He didn't just take Ron's word for anything.

LE didn't say they were satisfied with the hours he worked. They said they checked his alibi and he was at work. His alibi was that he was a work from 5ish until 3am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

[B]I doubt the police feel the need to inform you of the exact hours. The fact is they have said he was at work that night. That is all they need to say. They don't owe you any more than that. [/B]

As for my pretenders comment I mean people who claim they work at PDM or know someone who works there or whatever. Terry Shoemaker has met with the LEO's who investigated this case. He knows what form of clock in was used at the time Haleigh disappeared. He has no reason to lie about it but people pretending to be someone they aren't do.

underlined by me...

Yes the LE are certainly tight lipped about their investigation..They are holding all their knowledge and evidence close to the vest...

I hope in doing so will bring an arrest/arrests..in this case...

Even tho Ron has said he passed his LDT "with flying colors" ...that is another thing the LE are holding ...very close to the vest....

 

[dodie20]

Shoemaker has met with PCSO and the FDLE. He didn't just take Ron's word for anything.

LE didn't say they were satisfied with the hours he worked. They said they checked his alibi and he was at work. His alibi was that he was a work from 5ish until 3am.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Just to follow up on that, Captain, quite often in other criminal cases, let`s say when a woman is murdered, usually immediately police look at the significant other, the husband or boyfriend.

And then as his alibi is verified and they find out yes, he was spotted at work at the time, and that person is formally excluded as a suspect, that`s what I`m talking about.

Obviously, for example, Ron`s alibi was that he was at work. And that`s firm, right?

SHAULAND: That`s correct. That is his alibi and he was at work. We were able to check that. However, again we don`t know what happened to Haleigh and we don`t when it happened.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/27/ijvm.01.html

I doubt the police feel the need to inform you of the exact hours. The fact is they have said he was at work that night. That is all they need to say. They don't owe you any more than that.

As for my pretenders comment I mean people who claim they work at PDM or know someone who works there or whatever. Terry Shoemaker has met with the LEO's who investigated this case. He knows what form of clock in was used at the time Haleigh disappeared. He has no reason to lie about it but people pretending to be someone they aren't do.

considering the stipulations on his deal, I think it's more than logical & fair for people to contemplate Ron's involvement. especially, considering that TN said that Misty dragged his butt into this, & then said that he, alone, managed to get her locked up...like that was his plan. (eye roll). so, there were a lot of people who were under the misguided impression, that Ron was working undercover, (& that still makes me lol a little). & I've actually read where some people think Ron accomplished his mission, & should be released from jail, so he can grieve in peace. but that's not happening. not by a long shot. & there's a reason LE set him up, & locked him up, & made his bond so high. & it's not because they believe every word he has told them...so, I don't really care what Shoemaker says about Ron's work hours or PDM's time clock. & I don't feel like deciphering LE's usual cryptic word games. But when this finally goes to court, I will be very interested to find out what hours Ron REALLY worked, what time he got to work, what breaks he took, & what time he got off. & how he managed to find the time, to stay on the phone, all night.

 

[twall]

No that isn't what Terry Shoemaker said.

GRACE: Terry a well known attorney in the Jacksonville area. Number one, are there witnesses placing Ronald Cummings at work about 30 minutes before he was supposed to punch in and that he was there until his shift ended, the night shift? Yes, no.

SHOEMAKER: Yes. And it`s not a punch-in, you know, as far as a time clock.

GRACE: Correct.

SHOEMAKER: They actually have to use their fingerprints in order to scan in and check in for work, so...

GRACE: OK. Even better.

SHOEMAKER: ... he definitely was there.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/28/ng.01.html

Thank you for finding this. I went off reading elsewhere and completely forgot!
I was questioning my memory, couldn't recall what Shoemaker had said, that is why I wanted to find it, now I have my memory refreshed! Shoemaker did not state when the print system was put into use.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

KP is correct on the fact that rc has been less than upfront about his hours. When rc described the time he left work and the fact that LE wanted to know what took him so long, rc says, "I left work at such and such a time", I drive like a cracker coming home from work."

Don't you just love his description and detail of the time he left work? Leaves ya think he had something to hide....SUCH and SUCH a time? Really?

I have doubted Ron's work hours since day one...LE has said they are satisfied with his hours, TS claims Ron was at work, Ron claims he was at "werk", LE said Ron did "work", and LE questions what took Ron so long to get home.
It is clear to me anyway that LE knows more about the time he was and was not at work IMO. Sure, Ron was working that night but that does not mean he did not sneak out at some point during his shift.
Ron is a criminal (not name calling, just going by his court record) and criminals think they can out smart LE. Most of the time they do, but there comes a time when LE catches up with them and IMO, this is that time for Ron. If only we could see the phone/ping records from all the players that night. :banghead:

 

[krkrjx]

I would like to know Ron's work hours and why no one has ever mentioned exact times; they say "his shift" or "such and such" time, etc. It is really unsettling that no one will say it like it is, especially since this is supposed to be his alibi.

However, the fact that Ron was at work that night does not exonerate him, not at all! LE said early on that they know he was at work, but they went on to say that they did not know what happened to Haleigh or when it happened.

I have always felt that whatever happened, happened before Ron left for work...or at least the wheels were set in motion before he left to go to work.

 

[Crosby87]

underlined by me...

Yes the LE are certainly tight lipped about their investigation..They are holding all their knowledge and evidence close to the vest...

I hope in doing so will bring an arrest/arrests..in this case...

Even tho Ron has said he passed his LDT "with flying colors" ...that is another thing the LE are holding ...very close to the vest....

Here is an interesting comment Kim Picazio made on Levi Page's Show, 09/08/10
<snipped>

KIM PICAZIO: We don&#8217;t know what LE have against him, (Ronald). They could have him to the pin with the various lies that we could even bust him with, with a bunch of Hillbilly PI's running around out there let alone LE and the FBI. So believe me, they&#8217;ve got the cell phone records, they&#8217;ve got forensic evidence, they have had that from Day 1, and this is what they need, and now is their time. They got Misty on the rope, they got Tommy, and now these people do not even know what the other hand has said to Police. For instance, Tommy doesn&#8217;t even know what Misty said to Police in interrogation. Police let them all go and said &#8220;you&#8217;re all good&#8221;; and let them all go; they never really even had to talk because it wasn&#8217;t really an interrogation. They weren&#8217;t pointing the finger going &#8220;you&#8217;re a liar; you did call Tommy just after 10 because look, here is your cell phone record&#8221;. They didn&#8217;t tell them that, they just told them, &#8220;you&#8217;re good&#8221; waiting for the time that they have now. That is what is going on.

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